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== War crimes should be mentioned in the lead ==

There is strong evidence that Russia has committed war crimes - not just in the recent war against Ukraine, but in the war against Chechnya and possibly against Georgia as well, in addition to war crimes overseas in Syria and Africa. This should be briefly covered in the lead.'''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 03:14, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I boldly added ((talkquote|Russia has [[Russian war crimes|reportedly committed war crimes]] in [[Second Chechen War|Chechnya]],<ref name="Worse Than a War">((cite web| publisher=[[Human Rights Watch]]| url=https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/eca/chechnya0305/index.htm| title=Worse Than a War: "Disappearances" in Chechnya—a Crime Against Humanity| date=March 2005| access-date=21 December 2018| archive-date=24 March 2020| archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200324064021/https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/eca/chechnya0305/index.htm| url-status=live))</ref> [[Russo–Georgian War|Georgia]],<ref name=send>((cite web |url=https://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/08/16/georgia-international-groups-should-send-missions |title=Georgia: International Groups Should Send Missions |publisher=[[Human Rights Watch]] |date=18 August 2008 |access-date=25 December 2018 |archive-date=21 October 2014 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20141021141631/http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/08/16/georgia-international-groups-should-send-missions |url-status=live ))</ref> [[Russo-Ukrainian War|Ukraine]]<ref name="human cost">((cite news| url=https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/02/24/ukraine-human-cost-brutal-russian-invasion |title=Ukraine: Human Cost of Brutal Russian Invasion| author=Hugh Williamson| work=Human Rights Watch| date=23 February 2023))</ref> and [[Russian military intervention in the Syrian civil war|Syria]].<ref name="failure to acknowledge civilian killings">((cite web|title=Syria: Russia's shameful failure to acknowledge civilian killings|date=23 December 2015|publisher=Amnesty International|url=https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/12/syria-russias-shameful-failure-to-acknowledge-civilian-killings/|access-date=20 December 2016|archive-date=13 April 2019|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190413224528/https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/12/syria-russias-shameful-failure-to-acknowledge-civilian-killings/|url-status=live))</ref>)). '''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 15:23, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

:See [[MOS:LEAD]]. [[User:Mellk|Mellk]] ([[User talk:Mellk|talk]]) 15:48, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
::Can you clarify? '''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 01:52, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
:I think all world powers have committed war crimes. Are you saying all of them should have said info in their leads? Regards, <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">[[User:Thinker78|<span style="color:white">'''Thinker78'''</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Thinker78|(talk)]] 03:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
::This looks more for the sake of an [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]] argument at [[Talk:Israel]]. [[User:Mellk|Mellk]] ([[User talk:Mellk|talk]]) 03:39, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
:::No, it looks more like a [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]] issue. Regards, <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">[[User:Thinker78|<span style="color:white">'''Thinker78'''</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Thinker78|(talk)]] 03:52, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
::If a significant number of reliable sources mention that a country has committed war crimes, then this should absolutely be mentioned in the lead. In the case of Russia this is true, and you can see the sources at [[Russian war crimes]].'''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 03:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
:::Per [[MOS:LEAD]], ((tq|Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article.)) Regards, <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">[[User:Thinker78|<span style="color:white">'''Thinker78'''</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Thinker78|(talk)]] 05:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
:::A significant number of reliable sources mention that borscht is a well-known traditional soup in Russia. So borscht should absolutely be mentioned in the lead.
:::Have I successfully illustrated that more factors than coverage in reliable sources are involved in deciding whether something belongs in the lead? [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 01:36, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
::::So what in your view are those other factors? '''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 06:48, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
:That’s too specific. The context of all of these [[atrocity crimes]], including crimes against humanity, war crimes, and genocide, against Russia’s own subjects, neighbouring states, and newly subjugated nations,  is an authoritarian state using oppression, foreign occupation, and wars of aggression. The lead should say that Russia has throughout its history and to this day been an expansive colonial power. &nbsp;—''[[user:Mzajac|Michael]]&nbsp;[[user_talk:Mzajac|Z]].'' 05:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
::Isn't this article about the post-1991 state? The USSR for example has its own article.'''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 00:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
:::Yes. For example, [[Vladislav Inozemtsev]] calls it “[https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/06/29/russia-last-colonial-empire/ The Last Colonial Empire].” [[Timothy Snyder]] says “[https://www.newyorker.com/news/essay/the-war-in-ukraine-is-a-colonial-war The War in Ukraine is a Colonial War].” Two scholars discuss “[https://news.uchicago.edu/story/putin-invasion-ukraine-russian-empire-19th-century-imperialism-history How Putin’s invasion of Ukraine connects to 19th-century Russian imperialism].” Botakoz Kassymbekova examines [https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/1/24/how-western-scholars-overlooked-russian-imperialism How Western scholars overlooked Russian imperialism].” Alasdair McCallum says “[https://lens.monash.edu/@politics-society/2022/09/21/1385101/russias-invasion-of-ukraine-is-about-imperialism-not-nato Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is about imperialism, not NATO].” [[Volodymyr Yermolenko]] says Russian literature is “[https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/06/25/russia-ukraine-war-literature-classics-imperialism-ideology-nationalism-putin-pushkin-tolstoy-dostoevsky-caucasus/ Full of Imperial Ideology]” to this day. Lynne Hartnett describes “[https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/03/02/long-history-russian-imperialism-shaping-putins-war/ The long history of Russian imperialism shaping Putin’s war].” Olivia Durand published “[https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/features/analysis-putins-imperial-ambitions-and-ukraines-300-year-road-statehood An analysis of Putin's imperial ambitions and Ukraine's 300-year road to statehood].”  Michael Hikari Cecire wrote a paper concerning “[https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/ukraine-russian-imperial-action-challenges-and-policy-options the inherently imperial motivations behind Russia’s decision to invade Ukraine].” [[Alexander Etkind]] says “[https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Internal_Colonization/lpz5q44VVk0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=russia+colonial&printsec=frontcover the twenty-first century is watching the imperial resurgence of post-Soviet Russia]” (p&nbsp;4).
:::This is certainly notable. Much of the world failed to predict or adequately respond to every stage of the largest European war since WWII: the invasion and occupation of Crimea, Russia’s war against Ukraine in the Donbas, the huge escalation of 2022 (and Ukraine’s resistance), multiple “annexations” of occupied and unreachable Ukrainian territory, the continuing statements of the intention to occupy more of Ukraine.
:::Directly related to this and significant enough to include among the superlatives in the lead is that Russia is the first and only state to conduct a war of conquest using nuclear threats. &nbsp;—''[[user:Mzajac|Michael]]&nbsp;[[user_talk:Mzajac|Z]].'' 01:27, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
:::((tq|The first human settlement on Russia dates back to the Oldowan period in the early Lower Paleolithic. About 2 million years ago)). No, it is not just about the post-1991 state. Regards, <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">[[User:Thinker78|<span style="color:white">'''Thinker78'''</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Thinker78|(talk)]] 02:21, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

:No, very few countries have committed significant and systematic war crimes in recent years. Therefore, I think the suggested phrase should be included, but in the body of the page, not in the lead. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 04:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC) 
::Generally agree with putting this information in the article but not in the lede, though I would quibble with 'very few'. The lede is not the place for this, per @[[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]]'s line of rather humorous and discerning argument. [[User:Uness232|Uness232]] ([[User talk:Uness232|talk]]) 10:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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== “Unsourced/undiscussed” ==

@[[User:Chipmunkdavis|Chipmunkdavis]] I hope you experience the same pleasure as I do in your ironically humourous reversion of my change as “Unsourced/undiscussed”[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russia&diff=prev&oldid=1194268874] to your unsourced, undiscussed version.&nbsp;—''[[user:Mzajac|Michael]]&nbsp;[[user_talk:Mzajac|Z]].'' 03:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

:Main problem with the current text in the lead: it’s all about a major war but, like the Russian government, it refuses to name the war or link to the article on it. &nbsp;—''[[user:Mzajac|Michael]]&nbsp;[[user_talk:Mzajac|Z]].'' 03:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::Not sure I understand your first message, but you are welcome to join the discussion above. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:::You mean the one about the euphemisms that I didn’t change: at [[#Lead: Invaded Georgia and illegally annexed Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia, and Kherson]]? &nbsp;—''[[user:Mzajac|Michael]]&nbsp;[[user_talk:Mzajac|Z]].'' 03:44, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::::I assume so, if you feel my tweaks were undiscussed. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:14, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::I guess Mzajac was trying to say it was the [[Russo-Ukrainian War]] that already continue for ten years, rather than only the ongoing invasion. Also, the phrase was more about the wars, rather than about annexations, although there is nothing wrong with mentioning annexations. The phrasing can be improved, but probably not exactly in the manner suggested by Mzajac. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 04:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

== The section about area in the infobox makes no sense  ==

The light green part is administered by Russia and claimed by Ukraine. It is not claimed by Russia. A portion of Donbas region which is under control of Ukraine is claimed by Russia. This is what is given in the infobox.

Area
• Total
17,098,246 km2 (6,601,670 sq mi) (within internationally recognised borders) 17,234,028 km2 (6,654,095 sq mi) (including claimed territories) (1st)

I think it should be changed to the following:

Area
• Total
17,098,246 km2 (6,601,670 sq mi) (within internationally recognised borders) 17,234,028 km2 (6,654,095 sq mi) (including disputed territories claimed by Ukraine) (1st)

Keep in mind this latter figure also includes disputed territories claimed by Japan. 
[[Special:Contributions/204.197.177.22|204.197.177.22]] ([[User talk:204.197.177.22|talk]]) 05:30, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

:What part of internationally recognised Russia is claimed by Ukraine? [[User:Roger 8 Roger|Roger 8 Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger 8 Roger|talk]]) 06:23, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
::The information in the infobox contradicts the definitions of control and claim. For example, Russia controls Crimea which is claimed by Ukraine, Ukraine controls Kramatorsk which is claimed by Russia. [[Special:Contributions/216.165.212.4|216.165.212.4]] ([[User talk:216.165.212.4|talk]]) 17:57, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

:This should be only one number that corresponds to the internationally recognized borders, i.e. without the internationally recognized Ukrainian territory. Kuril Islands can be a different matter. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 23:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
:But the light green area must be excluded from the map, at least in the Ukrainian region. One of the reasons: this territory is incorrect/misleading however drawn. This is an area of active warfare and it is constantly changing. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 23:46, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2024 ==

((edit extended-protected|Russia|answered=yes))
In the start, there is a transliteration of the word 'russia' in russian into english, my edit request is to change the transliteration from 'rossiya' to 'rassiya,' since 'rassiya' is closer to the russian pronounciation, i would like to edit that. [[User:Ouiouioui12|Ouiouioui12]] ([[User talk:Ouiouioui12|talk]]) 09:05, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
:What you're speaking of is a phonetic ''transcription'' to record the sounds of speech. This is a ''transliteration'' (or, because we're targeting the Roman alphabet, "romanization"), meant to represent the ''letters'' of another script according to some convention (of which there are many for Russian: see [[Romanization of Russian]]). Transliteration is independent of sound. To indicate pronunciation, we use the [[International Phonetic Alphabet]] and/or [[pronunciation respelling]]. As you can see, we do provide that, ((IPA-ru|rɐˈsʲijə|)). [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 11:48, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Add a claimed but not controlled area to Alaska? On some Wikipedia articles about countries there’s a bright green area that’s described as “claimed but not controlled” and Russia has recently claimed that Alaska is Russian and that the 1867 sale was useless https://thehill.com/policy/international/4423913-state-dept-putin-alaska-russia/amp/
https://www.newsweek.com/us-laughs-off-putin-alaska-not-getting-it-back-1863137 [[Special:Contributions/2600:8801:1187:7F00:4D49:24E1:E870:59DE|2600:8801:1187:7F00:4D49:24E1:E870:59DE]] ([[User talk:2600:8801:1187:7F00:4D49:24E1:E870:59DE|talk]]) 09:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry I meant to make it it’s own thing not reply to you my bad [[Special:Contributions/2600:8801:1187:7F00:4D49:24E1:E870:59DE|2600:8801:1187:7F00:4D49:24E1:E870:59DE]] ([[User talk:2600:8801:1187:7F00:4D49:24E1:E870:59DE|talk]]) 09:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

==Among the lowest==
Hello [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]], I just reverted it back to the stable version, before someone changed it last year. Russia is ranked 32 out of 194 countries in [[Freedom in the World]] 2021, that's about 16% out of 100%, it does not mean that it is among the last (as 16% of countries around the world are worse), as this introduction now strongly implies. For example, countries that are at the bottom of the list such as China and Saudi Arabia (which could be considered among the worst), nothing like that is mentioned in the introduction (probably because it's only according to a UK-based private company and non-profit U.S. organization). This version implies that it is at the bottom of the list. China, which is in 156th place out of 167th in [[The Economist Democracy Index]], has only: that it does poorly in these rankings. And I'm not even talking about other far worse countries. That's why I suggested reverting to a stable state where it's mentioned the same way, i.e. it's doing poorly.[[User:Jirka.h23|Jirka.h23]] ([[User talk:Jirka.h23|talk]]) 07:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

:What is actually being cited in the body of the article in terms of rankings is 146th out of 167 countries by [[the Economist Democracy Index]], and 155th out of 180 countries in the [[World Press Freedom Index|Press Freedom Index]]. These rankings are closer to the bottom than they are even to the middle, so per [[WP:LEAD]] it seems like a valid summary. Please refrain from changing this again until this discussion has been completed. [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 21:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
:As I said, even worse countries don't have this in the introduction. No consensus gained, I remove the controversial text until the introduction returns to its original state, or a consensus is found to change it, which was added in May 2023. It can also fall under: too long and detailed introduction.[[User:Jirka.h23|Jirka.h23]] ([[User talk:Jirka.h23|talk]]) 06:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
::[[WP:OTHERCONTENT]] is not relevant, the information is cited and part the article body and thus perfectly valid, as well as at this point long standing. Feel free to add whatever you feel is missing to other articles, but you're not providing any valid reasons to downplay Russia ranking among the lowest in these indexes. [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 21:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
::I disagree with you, because among the lowest, this strongly implies for the last 10-15 countries, but this is far from this status. I just want the article to be in a non-controversial state again before someone changed it recently. Why, for example, Saudi Arabia (and many others) does not even mentioned this, and yet it is on the 7th place from the worst? All I see is economic, population summary and membership in international organizations. Another thing I don't understand, why do you keep returning GDP per capita to where it was, when it clearly belongs in the economic part of the paragraph (and according to the rules, I tried to separate the different edits)? I don't get your motives.[[User:Jirka.h23|Jirka.h23]] ([[User talk:Jirka.h23|talk]]) 09:51, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
:::Where the GDP per capita is is a non-issue, it was reverted because you made it as part of the edit once again changing the ranking portion, I have now implemented it the way you wanted. I will ask you again to read what I wrote and go and try and solve whatever concerns you have with other articles, rather than trying to use them as an excuse to argue in favour of your preferences here. The fact remains Russia is bottom 21 out of 146 on the EDI, and bottom 25 out of 180 on the PFI. Like I said before, that is far closer to the bottom than it is to even to the middle of the rankings which would be average. Russia ranks very low on these indexes and that shouldn't be an issue to show on a neutral encylopedia since it's not Wikipedia's job to appease authoritarian regimes and their admirers. [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 19:30, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
:::I still don't agree with you, but we'll see what others have to say. I've never had a problem with someone contradicting something like this, but at least it will be clarified throughout Wikipedia. We will see if it is possible to always mark them (16%) as the lowest ones (for example, among the EU or other political entities, or during any other international comparisons throughout whole Wikipedia).[[User:Jirka.h23|Jirka.h23]] ([[User talk:Jirka.h23|talk]]) 08:36, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

== Economics and politics ==
[[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]], I don't understand why you keep mixing these things up in the lead, I don't get your motives. I'm being lenient with you because you're new here, but read next time carefully. First were politics rankings, then GDP and resources (economy), and at the end of participation in political groups. You don't want to claim that the international organization is not a political issue? In the article, of course, it is under the topic "Government and politics". GDP and resources they are on the contrary, of course, under the topic "Economy". Read the rules, the introduction should contain a summary of important topics. Paragraphs should deal <u>with a particular point or idea</u>. All the sentences within a paragraph should <u>revolve around the same topic</u>. So the paragraph should be divided according to the topics, or as I suggested, because I don't want to divide the introduction into unnecessarily many paragraphs (but it is also possible if you prefer this), so at least do not mix the topics together but move them together. You're also starting to break rule [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|AGF]], from your answers it seems that you are increasingly assuming my bad faith in editing.[[User:Jirka.h23|Jirka.h23]] ([[User talk:Jirka.h23|talk]]) 22:09, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
:I personally think your edit is an improvement, and better organizes the information. I don't understand what his objection is. [[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] ([[User talk:DarmaniLink|talk]]) 04:57, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
((cot| personal dispute on a CT talk page))
::@[[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] How interesting that you suddenly show up here to argue against me, [[WP:HOUNDING]]? [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 20:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
:::[[WP:AGF]] - I came across this dispute while looking through your history. The intent was not to hound, the intent was reviewing your behavior. If I was hounding, I would have reverted you, which I did not. [[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] ([[User talk:DarmaniLink|talk]]) 20:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] I don't see how you are assuming good faith either, talking about how "I can be reported". If you think I have broken policies, then report me, don't follow me around. It's quite literally against policy. [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 20:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::If you aren't aware that you are breaking policy, you're unlikely to be sanctioned. Reviewing other editors behavior through their edits is '''very much allowed''' when they're potentially being disruptive, or overly aggressive. Given you restored a BLP vio, I had every right to do. [[User:DarmaniLink|DarmaniLink]] ([[User talk:DarmaniLink|talk]]) 20:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
::::::"Potentially being disruptive", sure, like I said if you think I'm disruptive then create a report. Obviously the reason you are here is because I interacted with you elsewhere, so it seems rather questionable to follow me around and join discussions in order to argue against me in unrelated discussions. Or better yet, spend your time on people actually being disruptive. [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 20:44, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::::[[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] I think your behavior on Wikipedia is not the best. Read the rules: ''"Continue to assume good faith yourself when possible. Be civil and follow dispute resolution procedures, rather than attacking editors or edit-warring with them."'' He has the right to express an opinion about it, just like anyone else, you don't have to react aggressively right away.-[[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|WP:AGF]].[[User:Jirka.h23|Jirka.h23]] ([[User talk:Jirka.h23|talk]]) 09:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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:How is international rankings on democracy, human rights and press freedom related to what organizations the country is a member of? I'm not opposed to being convinced otherwise, but there doesn't seem to be enough of a correlation for them to need to be to each other. [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 20:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
::I already explained this, above. It seems that you did not read it. I explained that according to the rules it should deal with a particular topic. They are different topics, in the article, of course, it is under the topic "Government and politics". GDP and resources they are on the contrary, of course, under the topic "Economy". Also, why don't you answer me? Do you claim that the international organization is not a political issue? Are you even proposing to move this from the political topic to an economic topic? You also still haven't explained, why your proposed version is better, than what we both agree on (as it at least links related topics together).[[User:Jirka.h23|Jirka.h23]] ([[User talk:Jirka.h23|talk]]) 09:08, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
:::[[WP:LEAD]] Says "introduction to an article and a summary of its most important contents", nowhere does it say that the location in the body of the article dictates where a line of text is placed in the lead. International rankings have been above what international organizations Russia is a member of for years, and there is no need to reverse that order. [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 18:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
::::I don't understand what you are talking about. No one is here proposing to change the order rankings and organizations, but move them right next to each other, since they contain the same topic. [[Wikipedia:Writing better articles|WP:WBA]]: ''Paragraphs should deal with a particular point or idea. All the sentences within a paragraph should revolve around the same topic''. Again, you didn't answer: are you really proposing to move this from the political topic to an economic topic (in the body of article)? And why is your proposed version better? [[User:Jirka.h23|Jirka.h23]] ([[User talk:Jirka.h23|talk]]) 18:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::It's odd to claim that no one is proposing it when that is exactly what your edit did, I'm not quite sure how to respond to you when you don't seem to see what you are doing in your edit. Please don't link to editor essays (which are not policy) when trying to make points, I am not proposing anything either so either you seem to be attempting to put words into my mouth or you misunderstand. Your edit clearly pushed international rankings down in the order from the top of the fourth paragraph into the middle of it. That is changing the order which has existed on the article for years.
:::::Example 1: Internationally, Russia [[International rankings of Russia|ranks among the lowest]] in measurements of [[Democracy in Russia|democracy]], [[Human rights in Russia|human rights]] and [[Media freedom in Russia|freedom of the press]]; the country also has [[Corruption in Russia|high levels of perceived corruption]]. The [[Economy of Russia|Russian economy]] ranks [[List of countries by GDP (nominal)|11th by nominal]] GDP, relying heavily on its abundant natural resources, and 68th by GDP per capita. Its mineral and energy sources are the world's largest, and its figures for [[List of countries by oil production|oil production]] and [[List of countries by natural gas production|natural gas production]] rank highly globally. Russia possesses the [[Russia and weapons of mass destruction|largest stockpile of nuclear weapons]] and has the [[List of countries by military expenditures|third-highest military expenditure]]. The country is a [[Permanent members of the United Nations Security Council|permanent member of the United Nations Security Council]]; a member state of the [[G20]], [[Shanghai Cooperation Organisation|SCO]], [[BRICS]], [[Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation|APEC]], [[Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe|OSCE]], and [[World Trade Organization|WTO]]; and the leading member state of post-Soviet organisations such as [[Commonwealth of Independent States|CIS]], [[Collective Security Treaty Organization|CSTO]], and [[Eurasian Economic Union|EAEU/EEU]]. Russia is home to [[List of World Heritage Sites in Russia|30 UNESCO World Heritage Sites]].
:::::Example 2 (your edit): The [[Economy of Russia|Russian economy]] ranks [[List of countries by GDP (nominal)|11th by nominal]] GDP and 68th by GDP per capita, relying heavily on its abundant natural resources. Its mineral and energy sources are the world's largest, and its figures for [[List of countries by oil production|oil production]] and [[List of countries by natural gas production|natural gas production]] rank highly globally. Russia possesses the [[Russia and weapons of mass destruction|largest stockpile of nuclear weapons]] and has the [[List of countries by military expenditures|third-highest military expenditure]]. Internationally, Russia [[International rankings of Russia|ranks among the lowest]] in measurements of [[Democracy in Russia|democracy]], [[Human rights in Russia|human rights]] and [[Media freedom in Russia|freedom of the press]]; the country also has [[Corruption in Russia|high levels of perceived corruption]]. The country is a [[Permanent members of the United Nations Security Council|permanent member of the United Nations Security Council]]; a member state of the [[G20]], [[Shanghai Cooperation Organisation|SCO]], [[BRICS]], [[Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation|APEC]], [[Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe|OSCE]], and [[World Trade Organization|WTO]]; and the leading member state of post-Soviet organisations such as [[Commonwealth of Independent States|CIS]], [[Collective Security Treaty Organization|CSTO]], and [[Eurasian Economic Union|EAEU/EEU]]. Russia is home to [[List of World Heritage Sites in Russia|30 UNESCO World Heritage Sites]].
:::::This change also comes right after your failed attempts to change the ranking to "low". [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 19:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
::::::Um, debating with you is very complicated. I don't know what country you're from, but maybe you don't speak English well enough (I don't speak flawlessly either). I'll try to explain, change the order of sentences - means that the order of one sentence will change with another, for example that I would put one sentence after another. But we suggest moving them (rankings and organizations) closer together, we don't change the order, no one here suggests that (and it would probably be useless). These are in the article in the same paragraph, the economic part is in another. Just like the guide advises for writing good articles. I still don't understand how the article is better when you revert the edit, blocking any change to the introduction does not seem like your good contribution to a better encyclopedia. 
::::::From what you have written so far, I think that you would like to move some things in the body of the article to another topic (if you contradict that they belong to the political or economic). You would also like to change the guide and remove these recommendations (if you don't agree with it there). But guidelines represent the thoughtful consensus of Wikipedia editors. Although they do not have the full weight that policies do, it is important to '''follow guidelines''' as a rule. It is a guide to layout and style and how to make an article clear, precise and relevant to the reader. You can suggest the changes, but I don't think you'll have much chance of changing it.[[User:Jirka.h23|Jirka.h23]] ([[User talk:Jirka.h23|talk]]) 13:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Apparently you agree that changing the order is useless, so then don't. You still haven't linked to what you claim is a guideline that says this content has to be next to each other, and you continuing with personal attacks aren't helping your cause either. You are the one suggesting changes. [[User:TylerBurden|TylerBurden]] ([[User talk:TylerBurden|talk]]) 20:25, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

== Change the map? ==

Now that Russia has claimed the sale of Alaska is illegal, and is now considered Russian territory, should we change the map to make Alaska as claimed territory? [[User:Masachiku|Masachiku]] ([[User talk:Masachiku|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

:Can you provide a source where the Russian government formally claims that the sale of Alaska was illegitimate? If the source is only a politician making a claim, then I don't think any change to the map is necessary. [[User:Michael60634|michael60634]] / [[User talk:Michael60634#top|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Michael60634|contributions]] 06:57, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== Density ranking ==

In the info box on the top right, Russia's density ranking is wrong. If you click through to the linked ranking, it is actually the 232nd densest country, not the 187th as currently listed on the page. Could someone who has editing privileges please change this. Thanks! [[User:PublicTransitIsCool|PublicTransitIsCool]] ([[User talk:PublicTransitIsCool|talk]]) 15:20, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

== New Map ==

Hi everyone, I noticed that there were a few issues with the map of federal subjects with the Kerson Oblast missing some of the territories that it claims from the Mykolaiv Oblast. On further inspection the map also had a range of different formatting issues to the point at which it would be easier to just create a new map, which I have done. I've also tried to make it colour blind freinds -though the current one appears to already be so as well. Hope this resource is useful. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kappasi|Kappasi]] ([[User talk:Kappasi#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kappasi|contribs]]) 14:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)</small>
[[File:Russian Federal Subjects.svg|thumb|((Legend|#009e73ff|[[Republics of Russia|Republics]]))((Legend|#e69f00ff|[[Krais of Russia|Krais]]))((Legend|#f0e442ff|[[Oblasts of Russia|Oblasts]]))((Legend|#d52900ff|[[Federal cities of Russia|Federal cities]]))((Legend|#cc79a7|[[Jewish Autonomous Oblast|Autonomous oblast]]))((Legend|#0072b2ff|[[Autonomous okrugs of Russia|Autonomous okrugs]]))]]

== Political parties in Russia problem ==

Good morning, 

Russia is classified (rightly) on here as being under an authoritarian dictatorship. So I have a real problem with many of the articles on political parties in Russia on here failing to mention their loyalty to Putin and his regime, and how they fit into this authoritarian system. For example the article on the [[Communist Party of the Russian Federation]], the second biggest party in Russia after the Kremlin-sponsored [[United Russia]], fails to mention how it is widely considered to be loyal to the regime and not a serious opposition party. This is despite the fact that this can be verified by a wide range of reliable sources, e.g.:

*[https://www.dw.com/en/russian-parliamentary-elections-to-take-place-under-new-rules/a-19478968]
*[https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10758216.2018.1502613]
*[https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/09/14/the-leftward-turn-is-inevitable-in-lenins-hometown-russian-communists-strive-for-soviet-revival-a75036]
*[https://www.vox.com/2019/9/9/20856872/moscow-election-results-navalny-putin-united-russia]
*[https://carnegiemoscow.org/commentary/60494]
*[https://news.sky.com/story/could-putin-lose-everything-you-need-to-know-about-russias-presidential-election-13087586]
*[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/7/russias-presidential-election-putin-power-the-possibility-of-protests]
*[https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/27/kremlin-critics-face-an-extremely-dangerous-situation-in-russia-right-now.html]
*[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68505228]
*[https://apnews.com/article/russia-election-2024-updates-227e65cb2a3f2c4cfdb58a9525fbe884]
*[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68505228]
*[https://apnews.com/article/russia-election-2024-updates-227e65cb2a3f2c4cfdb58a9525fbe884]
*[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/15/putin-rails-against-ukraine-as-attacks-mar-russian-presidential-election]
*[https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/world/2024/03/501_370655.html]
*[https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/its-ra-ra-ras-putin-in-the-russian-election/article67955750.ece]
*[https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/russians-head-to-polls-likely-to-extend-putins-rule-as-his-foes-stay-missing-101710448038148.html]

This means that the articles on many political parties in Russia do not give a realistic overview that is in keeping with the context of the Putin regime. As such, this makes me suspect NPOV issues that allow a pro-Russian or pro-Putin tilt on such articles, providing a false image of there being legitimate opposition in the country when literally all reliable sources say otherwise. 

Would esteemed Russia editors be able to assist? I'm not saying that the articles should be about bashing Putin. I'm saying that they should be appropriate to the political context of Russia today. [[User:Skin from lip|Skin from lip]] ([[User talk:Skin from lip|talk]]) 07:36, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

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