The Jane is currently an Art and architecture good article nominee. Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 00:37, 22 October 2023 (UTC) An editor has indicated a willingness to review the article in accordance with the good article criteria. Further reviews are welcome from any editor who has not contributed significantly to this article (or nominated it), and can be added to the review page, but the decision whether or not to list the article as a good article should be left to the first reviewer. Short description: Hotel in Manhattan, New York

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A fact from The Jane appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 May 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that when part of New York City's Hotel Riverview became a theater, some people thought that the hotel's overflowing toilets and leaky ceilings were part of the show there? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Jane.

Beyond My Ken: I'm not going to argue this out in a rev war - nor do I care enough about this issue to keep reverting it. You are correct that there is no policy. While ordering references numerically is suggested for reader's sake and because it is commonly required in Harvard style citations - it does not seem to appear in the MoS. I recognize that you are a significant contributor, but that does not give you license to bully or have a poor attitude toward other people on the wiki. You must recognize that your attitude for this situation came off as unnecessarily confrontational. I hope that you take a more civil approach in the future with other editors. Demeaning a person because they have not yet contributed to that article is ridiculous and any experienced editor knows that not all best practices are covered by policy. You do not need to be arrogant about it, or so dismissive of the practice. This is unlikely to encourage others to contribute to articles you care about or lead to compromises. A simple comment here on why you felt ordering them a certain way was best would have been more civil, constructive, and probably less likely for this to repeat itself in the future as many article reviews suggest it and edit tools automate the process for you (in this case AWB). I highly doubt you are unaware of that or that these tools would be doing it if it were not a common practice.

For others: note that Beyond My Ken requests that on this page for citations that user has added, the citations appear in order of their value, according to the contributor, rather than their order of appearance. It plays out in history, but that seems to be the summary to save yourself some time. I obviously invite Beyond My Ken to elaborate if they would like. --Varnent (talk)^(COI) 06:06, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If there is no requirement that refs be put in some particular order, then please leave it up to the editors who actually contribute content to articles to decide what order the refs should be in. Don't force your own blinkered conceptions down the throat of others, and if your edits are contested by others, per WP:BRD, don't revert the corrections blindly as you just did. Since I was the editor who reverted your edit, I am not the "confrontational" editor, you are, since you re-reverted without discussion. Given that, I'm not particularly interested in your homilies about "arrogance" and "confrontation".

The next time an editor reverts you with a specific reason for doing so, as I gave, don't assume that your personal opinions override their concern and push the "undo" button. Instead,, follow WP:BRD and open a discussion, if you think the issue is important enough. If, however, you think the issue is something you don't really care about, as it seems this one is (according to your statement above), then go about your business and edit elsewhere. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:39, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 20:13, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The Jane Hotel in New York City

• ... that when part of New York City's Hotel Riverview became a theater, some people thought the hotel's overflowing toilets and leaky ceilings were part of the show there? Source: "Old Banks Becoming New Theaters; Big, Odd Spaces Feed Appetite for Off and Off Off Broadway". The New York Times.
  • ALT1: ... that when New York City's Jane Hotel was renovated in 2008, its new design was partially inspired by the favorite films of one of its co-owners? Source: Bernstein, Fred A. (February 14, 2009). "Hotel Designs With Cinematic Flavor". The New York Times.
  • ALT2: ... that the Jane Hotel's occupants have included survivors of the sinking of the Titanic and drag performer RuPaul? Source: Barnard, Christopher (November 23, 2022). "One Last Party at the Jane Hotel". The New York Times
  • ALT3: ... that the Jane Hotel, built as a sailors' boarding house, later contained a theater and a ballroom? Source: Various, e.g. Barnard, Christopher (November 23, 2022). "One Last Party at the Jane Hotel". The New York Times
  • ALT4: ... that the Sailors' Home and Institute, once described as "the greatest non-resident club in the world", later became one of New York City's least popular hotels? Source: Crow, Kelly (April 22, 2001). "City Lore; Sailors' Quarters, Once 25 Cents". The New York Times; Shott, Chris (January 22, 2008). "Endgame for Old New York at the Hotel Riverview". Observer.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1943 North Texas Aggies football team
  • Comment: I commented at 2023 New York City parking garage collapse but didn't fully review it.

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 15:07, 24 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Jane; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Epicgenius: Good article as usual. Should nom for GA. Waiting for QPQ. I like all of these hooks but the first is funny and would likely catch peoples eye the most. UPDATE: Giving Epicgenius credit for the work he did on 2023 New York City parking garage collapse - sufficient for QPQ imho MaxnaCarta (talk) 03:57, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review MaxnaCarta. Nonetheless, I'd like to provide a QPQ anyway, which I will do shortly. Epicgenius (talk) 13:19, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Jane/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Epicgenius (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: LEvalyn (talk · contribs) 04:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Comments

I am looking forward to digging into this article and learning about this building! ~ L 🌸 (talk) 04:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General suggestions

• In "Architecture", any idea why the building didn't follow the original plan? ~ L 🌸 (talk) 05:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• In "Rooms," the comment about RuPaul seems way out of place! Put this in the section on the 80s maybe? Or somewhere else. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 05:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Any chance you can find a historical image from between 1907 and 1924? (i.e., a public domain one) -- for such an old building, it would be nice to have some older images. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 05:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

• In "Rooms": By 2008, the building had been converted into an upscale hotel with about 200 rooms, although the small dimensions of the rooms remained. Since the building has the same number of rooms as before, it makes sense that the rooms are the same size as before. Maybe revisit to frame differently, eg, it was converted into a hotel which retained the same number and size of rooms? ~ L 🌸 (talk) 05:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Same paragraph, MacPherson added "micro-luxury" features -- who is MacPherson?
• In "Development and early years", a whole bunch of events are in the pluperfect when it seems like the simple past is more appropriate? e.g., had announced plans, had been hired... why not just "announced", "was hired"?
• In "Opening and use as a boarding house", there is a close quote with no opening quote -- where does the quote start? the ASFS wrote that the building was intended as a bright, airy, comfortable place to sit without being annoyed by the fumes of liquor or soul-rasping profanity" ~ L 🌸 (talk) 05:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• In the last paragraph of that section, the one that begins When the eight-story Seaman's House opened nearby..., I find I am having trouble keeping track of which building is which. Is "the building at 507 West Street" the one now known as The Jane? I think this paragraph might be trying to explain that the ASFS Building became a YMCA building, but the references to other nearby buildings is muddying things for me. ~ L 🌸 (talk)