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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 22:15, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:15, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Spotchecks. Footnote numbers refer to this version.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:38, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The History Wizard of Cambridge, are you still planning to work on this? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:33, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Mike,
I apologise for the late reply. I've gone through your feedback and I will dedicate my entire night to addressing all the points you have brought up. I am extremely grateful for your help. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No hurry! So long as I know you're working on it that's fine. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Dear Mike Christie, I've finished the latest changes for the Trevor Carter wiki in response to the feedback you have given. Below are some responded to your questions.

Source reliability

To expedite things I have removed this blog article as a source and replaced it with an article by The Guardian which provides a short history of the Mangrove Nine. I have also ordered a copy of the book Shattering Illusions which the blog source cited. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 23:53, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sentences in the article body

Done. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 23:36, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Footnotes

I've been editing the Trevor Carter wiki page while writing this so the footnotes no longer align so I will refer to the footnotes in this version, the one that you reviewed, this version

I have replaced the footnote with another that cites a source on his involvement with the Swann Report and his reasons for rejecting his award recommendation. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 00:07, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I switched the wording, removed the word "leading" to describe Palme Dutt, and removed parts of the last sentence so that it does not sound too close to the original phrasing.The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 00:36, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK for most of it, but we still do need a citation for the list of countries. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the list of countries to expedite things. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 23:26, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have changed the wording whenever Cheddi Jagan is mentioned to sound less personal. I also described Jagan as a "famous left-wing politician" instead of referring to his exact position in government.

Final thankyou It feels so good to strengthen my article like this. I worked so hard to create it and now I feel as though I've been able to strengthen it even further. Thankyou very much for your hard work in helping to build my article on Trevor Carter. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 21:25, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! It's an interesting article. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to reformat what you've done above a bit -- there are a couple of norms that you're not familiar with as this is your first GA nomination to be reviewed, and rather than try to explain and have you change the format, I'm just going to make the layout change. The main thing is that typically the reviewer is the one who strikes each item, when they're satisfied the issue is fully addressed. That's because sometimes the reviewer and nominator might disagree, and it makes it a lot easier to see what's still outstanding if the reviewer is the one who does the striking. Second, it's most common to do threading in reply to the list of points raised by the reviewer. You can see an example Talk:Pachysentis/GA1. Threading uses the bullets and colons for indenting that I see you're already familiar with; for additional indenting one adds a colon or asterisk to the end of the previous indent.

I'll reformat and unstrike, then go back through and will restrike everything that's fixed (which does look like most things) and will then reread. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I've responded to everything above. Once the spotcheck issues are addressed I'll reread and see if I can find anything else to comment on. I will also have to do another spotcheck; the article can't be promoted unless the spotcheck comes back clean, and the source has to fully support everything in the text it cites -- you can see that from the sort of things I've highlit in the replies above. You might want to do a quick pass through the article making sure there are no other sentences that are not fully cited -- I'd hate to fail this article, which is close to getting over the line. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:37, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Next steps - new books ordered - providing photographs
Cheers @Mike Christie for reformatting the above sections. I've been an active Wikipedia user for 3 years but have only recently begun exploring options such as GA nominations, peer reviews, and Wikiprojects. I've booked a day trip to the Bodleian Library to view a copy of Trevor Carter's book Shattering Illusions along with a copy of a professional review of this book. If you agree that it may increase my article's quality, I may book a trip to London next week to take a photograph of his memorial bench and release it into the public domain. I'll now get back to work on the above sections.The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 22:33, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The History Wizard of Cambridge, a photo of the bench would be nice to have, but the article can certainly be promoted without it, so you might want to wait till you have some other reason to visit London. You might also try posting a request at WT:LONDON; I don't know how active that project is but there might be someone there who lives near the bench. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:46, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Alright good to know. Shattering Illusions arrives soon but in the meantime, by complete coincidence, I found Trevor had written an entire chapter of a Marxist booklet on education and racism, and a 40 minute long interview for his appearance in a documentary called Paul Robeson: Here I Stand. Once you are satisfied with the Trevor Carter wiki page, I would like to sprinkle in a few academic sources I found on google books.The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 15:10, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any reason not to add the material from the academic sources now? I might as well include that in what I review. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:25, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I thought it would just make it easier to review but I can add them tonight if that's not an issue. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 15:39, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Go ahead -- I'd rather review the article in as complete a form as you think it can be. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:34, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Mike Christie, I believe I have finished. Just completed the final spelling and grammar check after pumping in some fresh citations of works I found on google books. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 18:29, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've struck a few things; there are a couple of minor points left. I'll read through again, probably tomorrow, and will do another spotcheck. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:52, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Second spotchecks

Footnote numbers now refer to this version.

I must have misread the source. I reworded the body to better reflect what is said in the source. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 15:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Tweaked the wording slightly so that it does not state which country he visited first. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 15:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've adopted your suggestion.The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 15:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of tweaks needed above. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:27, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've just changed the suggested tweaks. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 15:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All good. Since there were a couple of minor issues on this spotcheck, I looked at a couple more, and found no issues. Passing; congratulations! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:44, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]