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There are six paragraphs devoted to shootings and murders since 2007. Are we sure that's appropriate for an encyclopedia? I mean, I can see maybe one paragraph summarizing all of it. Do we need all the details of what the surveillance video captured, and who told the police what? Do other college articles describe in such detail the crimes committed on campus? This seems to me to go against the guidelines that Wikipedia is not a newspaper - Kzirkel (talk) 21:35, 14 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree with this, and I also think the reference to the 2007 shooting should be removed from the introductory paragraph. It does not seem appropriate to have this event included in the handful of facts used to introduce a major research university that tens of thousands of people have attended for a century and half. It is very easy to find additional information on the shootings in the separate article devoted to them, which can be linked to lower down in the article. Keeping it at the header would seem almost to rise to the level of an unnecessary trigger -- people are simply looking for information about the school, as I was. For a comparison, more than 400 people died in traffic accidents in Virginia in 2020, but we do not note this in the introductory paragraph to the state of Virginia wikipedia page. Full disclosure -- I have no relationship to the university and have never visited there.

– don.s.okeefe (talk) 19:18, 19 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Circling back, it really is shocking that the page space devoted to incidents of violence is so much greater than that used under the heading "Academics." As User:Kzirkel says, this is not a newspaper. The rule of "it bleeds, it leads" should not apply here. This is an encyclopedia entry on an academic institution, not click bait.

– don.s.okeefe (talk) 19:26, 19 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@AlsoWukai: Why are you edit warring to remove this material from the lede of this article without any discussion? A single sentence mentioning a very prominent historical event at the institution is warranted in the lede. ElKevbo (talk) 12:16, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:don.s.okeefe has already explained my reasoning above. AlsoWukai (talk) 20:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ok. But why have you begun an edit war instead of following WP:BRD? ElKevbo (talk) 00:46, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My 2c is that mentioning the shooting in the lead isn't necessary but it has to be mentioned later on. It's clear that some people at Virginia Tech don't like mentioning it at all, but WP:NOTCENSORED.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:53, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]