Imperial Pint[edit]

Someone has hastily edited the chart to include the imperial pint as a proposed size for Champagne or other sparkling wines. However, this is not true.

From this article, the pint in reference is 500 mL and is called the modern pint.

https://rathfinnyestate.com/about/news/the-pint-bottle-is-the-perfect-measure/

"Like Winston Churchill, we consider the Imperial Pint (56.8cl), roughly equivalent to 50cl, to be the “ideal size” for an individual at home or a couple at dinner – as it provides four generous glasses (as opposed to six in a standard 75cl bottle). However, we haven’t found anyone who makes a sparkling wine imperial pint bottle able to withstand 6 bar of pressure, yet! So we might have to settle for the ‘Modern Pint’ 50cl bottle."

Since a 570 mL size will also have a limited market and won't be exportable outside England, whereas the 500 mL is accepted world-wide, if this campaign does take off, it may help in standardising all "pints" everywhere to 500 mL. Ametrica (talk) 03:55, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Colours & Citogenesis. Please read before adding content on colour to article.[edit]

SECTION DELETED

I have deleted an entire Colour section. This is dramatic, but I have a creeping suspicion that a good-faith reference to a now-deleted blog post led to citogenesis. I had previously added a supporting reference, but on a second pass about a year later, I feel uneasy about it and did a deeper dive, and now suspect that the newspaper (editorial/special) reference is itself sloppily referencing Wikipedia without a thorough fact-check.


ATTEMPT TO FIND SOURCE

That blog post, per the earliest Wayback Machine save, does support the section (it was added as an external reference, consistent with earlier Wikipedia practices, but that reference was deleted). However, the source itself does not seem to have any explanation about where the information was found.

I then conducted a Google search for results published prior to 2002 when the edit was made. One false hit presented as having been written by a PhD in 2001, but actually was written in 2010.

There is a bevy of sources post-2002, but the distinct lack prior to 2002 leads me to worry that there is not a strong factual backing consistent with Wikipedia's standards and we may have undergone citogenesis.


WHAT DOES EXIST

I was able to verify there was at least a tendency for Bordeaux bottles to be produced in Dark Green glasses, per a 1994 article on English glass manufacturing around Birmingham, but that is about it, and I'm wary of making an entire section out of it, and there is no evidence of a broader "regionalization" phenomenon that can be drawn from that source.

There are some scholarly works that may contain high quality information, but the high-quality book (or at least a derivative work by the same author),referenced in the "shape" section which itself is a bit lightly sourced, does not establish the same regional habits claimed in the deleted section. It does reference the function of dark glass being used to protect from UV-influenced degradation/oxidation, but choice of colours was not something I could find based on what I could search on Google Books. It is possible it is there, but I made the deletion in good faith after searching some of the colours referenced in the deleted section and finding no hits in that book that seem to indicate regionalization.


PLEASE EXERCISE CAUTION

If you intend to add detail on colour, beware, and please use an anchoring high-quality source published prior to 2002. Kwkintegrator (talk) 22:37, 20 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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