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The result was: rejected by Allen3 talk 17:21, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Insufficient progress toward resolving outstanding issues
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Filipino women artists[edit]
- ... that the history of Filipino women artists dates back from the time when the Philippines was still an overseas province of Spain?
- Reviewed: Time Capsule (Macau)
Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nominated at 01:33, 25 November 2013 (UTC).
Brilliant and vital article, reliable citation and neutral tone. Article created within date, with sufficient length. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 01:40, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
The proposed hook does not appear to be correct and is not supported by the given source. The source states only that the named artist was the "first woman artist to gain auspice in Philippine art history"; it does not claim that she dates the beginning of the history of Filipino women artists. Given the extensive pre-colonial history of female pottery-making in the Philippines, such a claim would be incorrect. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:24, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- You seem to be quarrelling with the source rather than the hook, perhaps with reason. Pretty dreadful writing, & could do with a general re-write. "dates back TO", please. Johnbod (talk) 18:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
- Only half: I think the source leaves much to be desired, but also the article is far more broad than the source supports. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:11, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
- Rephrased the text concerned within the article in relation to hook fact, and thus here is also ALT 2: ... that the first time a Filipino woman artist had potential to excel in art during Spanish Philippines was when a Filipino woman was accepted to study at the Academia de Dibujo y Pintura? - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:26, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- That hook won't work either, the source uses the phrase first "to gain auspice" which is quite different in meaning from first with "potential to excel". The "auspice" referred to appears to be an award the artist won BTW. Gatoclass (talk) 08:26, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- ALT 3: ... that the first time a Filipino woman artist gained auspice in art during Spanish Philippines was when a Filipino woman was accepted to study at the Academia de Dibujo y Pintura? - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:43, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- Only half: I think the source leaves much to be desired, but also the article is far more broad than the source supports. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:11, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
- You seem to be quarrelling with the source rather than the hook, perhaps with reason. Pretty dreadful writing, & could do with a general re-write. "dates back TO", please. Johnbod (talk) 18:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
- Having taken a closer look at this article, it relies heavily on a single source, and the "Spanish era" section paraphrases and/or follows the structure of the source a little too closely. So I think this section at least would need a rewrite, though I haven't looked closely at the following section yet. Gatoclass (talk) 16:15, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
- I divided the section into two subsections. I might need assistance in the rewrite, someone "outside the box" could do it better. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:00, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Changes made on January 15 were only cosmetic; close paraphrasing identified by Gatoclass remains and creator/nominator hasn't edited since the comment just above. Closing as unsuccessful. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:01, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
