RFC: Add Instruction Not to Move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Proposal, as written, has failed. A blanket ban on mid-AfD moves is not going to happen. It was found that moving a page within mainspace is a perfectly possible way to improve an article while it is being nominated for deletion, with multiple examples of the usefulness of such intra-mainspace mid-AfD moves cited. On the other hand, both supporters and opponents have stated that forced mid-AfD moves to Draft or User namespaces may be too disruptive to the deletion process, but are divided on whether to prohibit pre-emptively or just revert them as they happen. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On the template that states that an article has been nominated for deletion, should the words "or move the article" be added after "do not remove this notice"? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:03, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The template on an article that has been nominated for AFD states:

Feel free to improve the article, but do not remove this notice before the discussion is closed and do not blank the page.

Should the words "or move the article" be added after "do not remove this notice"?

Answer Yes or No with a brief statement in the Survey. Discuss in the Discussion section.

Survey[edit]

Discussion[edit]

Explanation by Proposer: Sometimes an editor attempts to interrupt an AFD by moving the article. The most common form is to attempt to move the article unilaterally to draft space. The deletion procedures are largely silent on whether this is permitted. Since only articles are subject to AFD, a move out of article space either (a) turns off the AFD, or (b) is disruptive and should not be permitted. There has been discussion at Village Pump and the rough consensus is that moving an article while an AFD is in process should not be permitted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Moving_Article_to_Draft_Space_During_AFD Any move of an article while the AFD is in progress, whether to draft space or another title, interferes with the scripts. If a move is appropriate, it can be discussed during the AFD, and the move (whether to draft space or another title) completed by the closer when the AFD is closed. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:03, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Making the text about removing the tag bold[edit]

I am proposing to change the weight of the text inside the template to the following, to make these templates consistent with the speedy deletion templates. Personally I find this text does not stand out to me and I fail to read it, which no doubt also happens to other editors, and the template erroniously removed from articles as a result.

"Feel free to improve the article, but do not remove this notice before the discussion is closed and do not blank the page. For more information, read the guide to deletion."

Your thoughts and consensus on this would be appreciated. Osarius 10:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think that would be a good idea. I certainly don't see why not. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 16:29, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. To maintain a clear visual hierarchy, we should only be bolding the most important thing in the notice. That's the fact that there's a deletion discussion. If we tried to bold everything (and a lot of notices on Wikipedia unfortunately do try that), that'd be the same as bolding nothing. This suggestion is editor-centric rather than reader-centric. Editors should not be making edits to pages with a giant red notice without reading that notice, and if they are anyways, then we should handle it through an editnotice. ((u|Sdkb)) talk 20:17, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Note: Closed edit request for now since this is a proposal for a change rather than a request at this time. Terasail[✉️] 22:38, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wording changes[edit]

There is a discussion at WP:VPI#((Article for deletion)) refinement about the recent changes to the template message. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 15:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 1 February 2024[edit]

Please append: 

((Redirect category shell|
((R from template shortcut))
))

to categorize the redirect. Thanks, QueenofHearts 23:54, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 00:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fully protected edit request on 2 February 2024[edit]

A protected redirect, Template:Afd, needs redirect category (rcat) templates added. Please modify it as follows: 

#REDIRECT [[Template:Article for deletion]]

#REDIRECT [[Template:Article for deletion]]

((Redirect category shell|
((R from move))
((R from template shortcut))
))

The ((Redirect category shell)) template is used to sort redirects into one or more categories. When ((pp-protected)) and/or ((pp-move)) suffice, the Redirect category shell template will detect the protection level(s) and categorize the redirect automatically. (Also, the categories will be automatically removed or changed when and if protection is lifted, raised or lowered.) Thank you in advance! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 00:40, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Additionally, I have reduced the permissions to template editor level. It remained fully protected as the move was done before the template editor group was created and no one went back to lower the protection level when the group was created. – robertsky (talk) 01:38, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much, editor robertsky! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 01:49, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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