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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

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May 20 2
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May 27 2
May 29 1
May 30 2
June 2 1
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June 14 2
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June 19 4 2
June 20 4 3
June 21 5 3
June 22 9 7
June 23 12 7
June 24 7 4
June 25 10 9
June 26 10 6
June 27 5 5
June 28 9 5
June 29 5 4
June 30 9 5
July 1 12 5
July 2 5 3
July 3 13 6
July 4 10 4
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July 7 14 5
July 8 8 4
July 9 10 3
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Instructions for nominators[edit]

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing. Further information can be found at the supplementary guidelines.

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Frequently asked questions

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below).

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Instructions for reviewers[edit]

Main page: Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing ((subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes)) on the nominator's talk page.

Advanced procedures[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
  1. Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: .
  2. Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
    • Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
  3. Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
  4. Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
  5. Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
  6. Hook should make sense grammatically.
  7. Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
  8. Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.

Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)

  1. For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
    • Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
  2. Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
    • Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
    • Check that there's a bold link to the article.
  3. If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
  4. Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the ((DYKmake)) and ((DYKnom)) templates) at the bottom
  5. Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
    • At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
  6. Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change ((DYKsubpage to ((subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

      ))<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->

      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
      To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
      To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
      To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
      To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
      To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
      To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like )), at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

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Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on May 12

Interstate 85 in North Carolina

Improved to Good Article status by NoobThreePointOh (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

ALT1: ... that for six miles (9.6 km) in Davidson County, North Carolina, traffic on I-85 drives on the left?
I also wonder if you were able to find any explanation for this in your research. I think it's been noted elsewhere as the only significant place in the US with LHT. And maybe we should put that in the intro. Daniel Case (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... I suppose that works. I'm just a little unsure about what hook exactly to choose. Yeah, I'll probably place it in the intro. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 09:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unpromoted. Pulled per Special:Diff/1232390332. Note this is the second time this hook has been pulled, so sending it back to unapproved to get a good hard look. RoySmith (talk) 14:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith, Daniel Case, NoobThreePointOh, and JuniperChill: FWIW there is an article here - [1] which discusses this in detail. I suppose it's questionable whether the "North Carolina Rabbit Hole" is a reliable source, but the guy does seem to have done his research and interviewed the road's designer and suchlike, so interested on opinions on that?  — Amakuru (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great find! I really like this concept of two rest stops in the middle that can be accessed by (normal) right exits. The author seems to be slightly more "independent journalist" than "blogger" but it isn't completely obvious why he passes our RS guidelines. If we trust his statement that there are almost no sources on this but do not trust his statement about the rest area, we won't be able to continue. —Kusma (talk) 19:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on May 16


5x expanded by Nyanardsan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 27 past nominations.

Nyanardsan (talk) 01:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'll take a look at this in the morning.--Launchballer 02:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added quite a few tags to this, and there may be more. I plan on giving this another pass, but this should take some of the edge off.--Launchballer 11:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nyanardsan: A few things; '98.45' is not a ratio; long strings of percentages such as the ones in Demographics would flow much better as a list; I found quite a few instances of claims being backed up by sources that can't possibly contain them, for example a 2022 source claiming something is as of 2023, and these will have to be remedied.--Launchballer 08:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the ratio, I clarified again. I was simply following the statistics document like always, mentioning gender ratio in that way. I disagree with the demographics section should be converted to list, it is fine as it is as prose. The unclarified sources one have been fixed (I apologize, it's mostly me forgetting to recite BPS documents which is used a lot), except for the fish export one which is correctly cited already by AntaraNews article Nyanardsan (talk) 14:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Who described the Buton Sultanate's political position as "like a shuttlecock"? This should be in the article. Also, ratios show quantities relative to each another and are usually written in the form a:b.--Launchballer 16:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nyanardsan: I asked for this a week ago. What's the holdup?--Launchballer 21:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 17

Rashmika Mandanna

Created by 19Arham (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

19Arham (talk) 21:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

That doesn't seem to be much of an improvement, not to mention referring to Kapoor as "Bollywood royalty" could fall afoul of WP:WTA. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@19Arham: are there any other aspects of this article that could be a good hook? Proposing multiple hooks is more likely to get approved. @Narutolovehinata5: do you have any suggestions of interesting aspects in which to get a hook from? Z1720 (talk) 00:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not an expert on Bollywood so I'm probably not the best person to ask about this; besides, I didn't get much ideas from a quick skim of the article, but it could just be due to unfamiliarity with the subject. Launchballer has experience proposing ALTs for entertainers so maybe they'd have some ideas. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that Rashmika Mandanna was reluctant to accept her first Hindi cinema role as she disagreed with her character's views on spirituality? jumps out, although there may be others. Also @19Arham: I strongly recommend submitting an image with this nomination, as all of the images are Creative Commons.--Launchballer 20:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I'm fairly sure the whole article needs a review.--Launchballer 14:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the oldest fully unreviewed nomination and I need a QPQ, so I'm reviewing. Long enough, just about new enough at nine days. Earwig highlights a few phrases, but these appear to come under WP:LIMITED. No QPQ needed. Reviewer needed to approve my ALT2.--Launchballer 20:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 20

Jump (Tyla, Gunna, and Skillibeng song)

Tyla (left) and Gunna (right) filming the music video for "Jump" in South Africa
Tyla (left) and Gunna (right) filming the music video for "Jump" in South Africa
Created by Qaqaamba (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Qaqaamba (talk) 12:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

ALT1: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending South African singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's trap, and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's dancehall? "Jump" stands out as the sole hip hop or trap and dancehall infused song on Tyla's eponymous debut studio album, Tyla. Qaqaamba (talk) 13:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
162 characters after adding an oxford comma, which I have added to the article title. Full review needed.--Launchballer 14:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's rap and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's, dancehall? Qaqaamba (talk) 15:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3:… that "Jump" was the only trap-infused recording on Tyla? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Qaqaamba and Dxneo: As per WP:DYKINT, the hook should be "perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest." Might I suggest something maybe to do with the "Haibo!" adlib, the famous Hillbrow Tower in the video, or perhaps the viral "they ain't never had a pretty girl from..." trend? cybertrip👽 ( 💬📝) 08:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Qaqaamba, Dxneo, and Cybertrip: I was going to propose "that two of the places referenced in Tyla's "Jump" are the same place", except it doesn't check out to the cited source. Can this be remedied?--Launchballer 13:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, I added it myself.--Launchballer 10:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is currently the oldest fully unreviewed nomination and I need a QPQ, so I'm reviewing. Long enough, new enough (though I'll admit to doing a double take when DYKcheck told me 'promoted to GA on June 6' when this was created on 15 May). No maintenance templates deserved, no QPQ incurred, no copyright complaints. I fear that the image may divert readers into Tyla's and Gunna's articles, so I won't approve it. As previously suggested, I am proposing ALT4: ... that two of the places referenced in Tyla's "Jump" are the same place? and will call for a new reviewer.--Launchballer 11:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Praetoria of Constantinople

Theodorus and Theophanes
Theodorus and Theophanes
Created by Alessandro57 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 83 past nominations.

Alex2006 (talk) 16:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: you are right, sorry, QPQ done. Alex2006 (talk) 05:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: AGF on non-English sources, although was able to verify the basic facts elsewhere. Only concern would be the last sentence of the introduction: "At least two buildings with this function existed in the city". It is unclear if this is talking about jails, or places where the prefect dispensed justice. @Alessandro57: - Are you able to address this? CSJJ104 (talk) 16:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, @CSJJ104:, it wasn't clear, thanks. Updated everywhere with sources. Alex2006 (talk) 11:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alessandro57: Reading this with the recent additions, is the article intended to cover both buildings, or just the one? If it's covering both then possibly it should be moved to Praetoria of Constantinople, otherwise the article should make clear which building it covers. CSJJ104 (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hallo @CSJJ104:, your concern has been addressed: article moved to plural. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 14:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Performed a copyedit on the lead, but otherwise good to go. I assume good faith on the non-English sources. CSJJ104 (talk) 17:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that I've nominated the image for deletion. All that means is that this can't become the lead hook; no other issues. Schwede66 06:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alessandro57 and CSJJ104: Senina 2008 pp.267–268 does not verify that the branding took place within the Praetoria, and as a translation of a primary source it is not a reliable source for the hook. Meanwhile, Janin 1950 is pushing the limits of WP:RSAGE, so unless it is watertight (could you please supply a quote that supports the hook) I think a new hook might be needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:06, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also noting that the image was kept.--Launchballer 16:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: WP:RSAGE does not really apply here; this is a historical article, where the narrative part of history, which relies on medieval sources, is not liable to change much. The only developments could be the discovery and publication of major written sources or archaeological excavations, but the former hasn't been the case and the latter is unlikely to happen given that the sites lie at the heart of Istanbul, where only major infrastructure projects like the subway have led to extensive archaeological discoveries. In summary, Janin is still very much a WP:RS and valid for this topic, as can be seen by its still frequent use in 21st-century scholarly works. Constantine 10:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cplakidas I trust your judgement re. RSAGE, but would still like to see a quote. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AirshipJungleman29 Thanks for pointing this out. I'm not actually able to access Senina 2008 and didn't notice the issue. Can I check though, is your objection purely to its use to cite the hook, or should the article also be updated? CSJJ104 (talk) 23:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot for your supplement of review and your comments, @AirshipJungleman29: , @CSJJ104: ,@Cplakidas:.Unfortunately I find myself since a week in the Poli and I have neither a PC with me(I am writing on a phone :-((() nor Janin (btw, for this article I have been forced to use the 1950 edition because the 1964 revised edition was borrowed by someone else). I agree with Constantine that for this kind of articles one has to rely heavily upon the primary sources, because it is all that we have. Anyway, I added another online secondary source to the text (Abschnitt V.17, unfortunately in German), and I hope that this will solve the problem. Cheers from Istanbul, Alex2006 (talk) 06:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 21

Voluntary war

Created by Davidbena (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

Davidbena (talk) 04:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Okay, I'll make the change, although I do think that it is a bit too strong.Davidbena (talk) 11:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I don't see how the word "rape" can be in the hook if it isn't in the article. I also think "traditional" may be misleading, unless they are still in effect or only recently stopped being active laws; if they haven't been in effect for hundreds or even thousands of years, then that should be clear as well. Note to Davidbena: rather than edit hooks in situ, please show any revised wordings as an alternate hook (i.e., ALT1, ALT2). I've done so to restore your original hook and show the requested revision as ALT1. Thanks. Also, don't forget to supply your QPQ review (see WP:QPQ); you're supposed to do so within seven days of nominating, and definitely within seven days of being reminded to do so. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset:, thanks for your comment. Sometimes it is common practice among writers to use "euphemisms" in Belles-lettres and in prose, rather than use a word having the exact same meaning, but viewed as repugnant (e.g. "to forcibly have marital relations" instead of writing "to rape"). Would it help if I put, in the article, the word "rape" in parentheses, immediately following the words "to forcibly have marital relations"? If so, an alternate reading of the hook can be this:
 Done - Davidbena (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alt3 (see below) is my preferred hook, as it clarifies everything. I will also go ahead and add "rape" in the main article. As for your question about use of the word "traditional," the word is still applicable today, since Jews in Israel recognize these ancient customs as being bona-fide Jewish traditions. They, in fact, could still be upheld today if we had an active Sanhedrin, which, in this case, we don't. Another option might simply be to write, instead of "traditional," the word "obsolete." This word, however, is tricky, because if the Sanhedrin were ever to be reinstated, these laws of warfare would still be applicable today. See, for example, Modern attempts to revive the Sanhedrin. Finally, I do not understand what you mean by saying that I must supply my QPQ review. Give me time to read-up on this.Davidbena (talk) 23:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To the best of my knowledge, I have nominated four articles on "Did you know...", and this present article, if accepted, will be my fifth. The rules in WP:QPQ state that if I've nominated 5 or more articles, only then would I be required to work on the nomination of another person's DYK. I take that to mean that I can begin doing that now. Okay, no problem.Davidbena (talk) 23:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset:, I have begun the review process of the DYK article here.Davidbena (talk) 00:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


  1. ^ Gardam, Judith; Charlesworth, Hilary (2000). "Protection of Women in Armed Conflict". Human Rights Quarterly. 22 (1). The Johns Hopkins University Press: 157 (note 55). JSTOR 4489270.
  2. ^ Bleich, J. David; Jacobson, Arthur J. (2012). "The Jewish legal tradition". In Mauro Bussani; Ugo Mattei (eds.). The Cambridge Companion to Comparative Law. Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9781139017206.017. Judaism is fundamentally a religion of law, a law that governs every facet of the human condition. Jewish tradition maintains that the Torah – the first five books of the Bible that include the Written Law transmitted by Moses at Mount Sinai as well as the Oral Law accompanying it – contains not merely a set of laws, but also canons of interpretation and principles according to which conflicts among the rules of law may be resolved. Maimonides, the pre-eminent early medieval philosopher and expounder of the Torah, records the doctrine that the Torah will not be altered, either in its entirety or in part, as one of the Thirteen Principles of Faith. The divine nature of the Torah renders it immutable and hence not subject to amendment or modification.

-Davidbena (talk) 16:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29:, Okay, I'll reword the hook. How does this one sound?

-Davidbena (talk) 19:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about adding some intrigue to this: ALT5a: ... that in certain circumstances Jewish soldiers may abandon Kosher dietary laws?--Launchballer 13:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer:, Yes, of course, that is an excellent idea! People will click onto the link right away!Davidbena (talk) 23:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are these the only circumstances in which abandoning the kosher laws is permitted? If not, the link becomes rather MOS:EGGy. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29:, these are extenuating circumstances. The only other time when Jews can eat non-Kosher foods, including ordinary people that are not soldiers, is when they are faced with famine and if they do not eat the non-Kosher animal they would surely die of starvation. In all commandments a Jew may transgress in order to save his own life, except in three things: 1) to murder someone; 2) to worship idolatry; and 3) to engage in a forbidden sexual act.Davidbena (talk) 17:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would ALT5b: ... that there is a circumstance in which Jewish soldiers may abandon Kosher dietary laws? solve the problem?--Launchballer 22:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer:, Yes, that is a better way of wording it.Davidbena (talk) 17:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT6: ... that there is a circumstance in which it was permissible for Jewish soldiers to abandon the Kosher dietary laws and to eat non-Kosher foods?Davidbena (talk) 18:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Davidbena, ALT6 only works if it is no longer permissible today under any circumstances. Also, the hook wording is a bit convoluted and unnecessarily lengthy. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset:, as I said, there are other instances where a Jew is permitted to eat non-Kosher foods, such as when he is faced with a choice between life and death; life if he eats the non-Kosher food, and death from famine if he declines it. I think that we have remedied the problem by simply saying "there is a circumstance," which does NOT exclude all other circumstances. You see, it still works. Am I missing something? As for making the DYK more concise and less wordy, we can do so. I'll work on it. How does this sound? ALT7: ... that there is a rare circumstance in which it was permissible for Jewish soldiers to abandon the Kosher dietary laws? ---Davidbena (talk) 13:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is your opinion of ALT5b BlueMoonset?--Launchballer 08:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any objection to ALT5b. However, since ALT7 still uses "was permissible" which implies it isn't permissible any longer; as far as I can tell from the article, it's still permissible as of the present day, so I don't understand why "was" is in the ALT7 hook. For that matter, the entire phrase "it was permissible for" could be removed entirely and "are allowed" inserted before "to" (which is very similar to ALT5b):
  • ALT7a: ... that there is a rare circumstance in which Jewish soldiers are allowed to abandon the Kosher dietary laws?
BlueMoonset (talk) 04:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset:, I have no objection to ALT7a, and the only reason why I worded the former DYK as "was permitted", rather than "is permitted," is because the laws governing a Voluntary war in Israel only pertain to when there is an active Sanhedrin. Since there is no Sanhedrin today, the entire body of laws governing such a war do not apply today. The matter is merely a technical issue.Davidbena (talk) 18:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 26

Yang Jingru (speed skater)

5x expanded by Toadboy123 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 34 past nominations.

Toadboy123 (talk) 11:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'd like to see these issues addressed. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 20:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Once approved, please place this nomination in the Olympics: Special occasion holding area

Articles created/expanded on May 27

Kaur (short film)

5x expanded by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 197 past nominations.

Whispyhistory (talk) 05:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'm still not so sure if this works either. @Launchballer: What do you think? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Parentheses aren't allowed per WP:DYK200, and I think 'ITVX, Britbox and then Netflix' is pure namedropping (and it should really be 'Britbox, and'). I'll take a look when I get back, but I'd be inclined to take a rewritten version of ALT1, like so: ALT1a: ... that prior to appearing on video-on-demand services, the 2022 short film Kaur had toured festivals, universities, and gurdwaras? Also, is there a difference between 'gurdwara' and 'gurudwara'?--Launchballer 11:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just had a flick through the references. Per ref #3, there's a hook in some variant of ... that Dr Parvinder Shergill became so fed up of waiting for another film to be led by a Sikh woman that she co-wrote and co-produced her own?.--Launchballer 14:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you both... I'll work on it... sounds good. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT2... that British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her so she co-wrote and co-produced her own?Actor, writer and producer Parvinder Shergill...she's had to wait too long to see movies featuring women who look like her....Bend it like Beckham, 20 years ago, was the last mainstream film to feature women from her background...She co-wrote and co-produced it ...[5][6] Whispyhistory (talk) 13:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reads a bit breathless. I'm going to suggest:
ALT2a... that after British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her, she co-wrote and co-produced her own?
...and call for a full reviewer.--Launchballer 21:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Croton alabamensis

Alabama croton flower
Alabama croton flower
5x expanded by TDogg310 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TDogg310 (talk) 00:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Thanks for doing a QPQ even though you didn't have to! The one problem is the hook citing - due to the citation given for ALT1 being different to the one used for that fact in the article with both being offline, I don't think I can give this an AGF pass. If you either add the Molecular Ecology source to the statement in the article or provide the relevant quote from Southwestern Rare and Endangered Plants Proceedings of the Second Conference, I think I can pass ALT1 (but not ALT0). Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 02:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 29

Rhapsody (climb)

Rhapsody follows the thin diagonal crack in the middle of the northwest face of Dumbarton Rock
Rhapsody follows the thin diagonal crack in the middle of the northwest face of Dumbarton Rock
Created by Aszx5000 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Aszx5000 (talk) 19:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

How about "... that when first climbed in 2006, Rhapsody was the hardest traditional climbing route in the world?", with sourcing here Last year he succeeded in making what is generally recognised as the world's hardest 'traditional' climb, Rhapsody, on Dumbarton Rock from the BBC, and Rhapsody is officially known as the world's hardest traditional rock climb from Telegraph. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a much better hook. This is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: I am doing a GA review of this article. If passed, I would recommend passing the DYK hook as well. xq 11:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
48JCL, please note that the GA reviewer may not also review the DYK nomination. Different reviewers are required per DYK rules. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset: sorry, that is not what I meant for my comment to go for. I meant to say that a spotcheck was not needed as I did one in the GAR. 48JCL 13:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
48JCL, even so, that's still not appropriate. The DYK reviewer needs to do their own checking independent of the GA review, and should take nothing for granted by the fact that it achieved GA status or that some other reviewer approved parts of its review. There have been some GAs that ended up being delisted based on significant issues found by the subsequent DYK reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 30

Felix Eberty

Among the impressionable young Germans who read Eberty and Bernstein was one named Albert Einstein."

The New Yorker
Moved to mainspace by Thriley (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 134 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 21:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Felix Eberty self-portrait circa 1850

Erdős–Moser equation

The support for the hook is in the article's abstract.
5x expanded by LucasBrown (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

LucasBrown 11:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'll also note that the article would be better with a bit more prose to contextualize what is going on here. Currently the article itself is very inaccessible to the average reader, it would be nice to have a background of why this equation is important (I see the term "Diophantine equation" being used, maybe you could include a few sentences on how this relates to the article) and some prose (as opposed to proofs) to convey the methods being used to solve it. Sohom (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to our DYK rules, "Hooks should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest". I don't think that is the case for the proposed hook. Also, I think the hook is misleading: as far as we know, it could be the case that all solutions of the equation are the single solution 1+2=3, unrelated to the log(2) calculation. And calling this an "application" is dubious when it is just a mathematical calculation used to support another mathematical calculation. I have generally interpreted this rule as requiring that the hook connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond mathematics (just as we require that hooks about fiction connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond the plot). Unfortunately I see no non-mathematics at all in the article, on which to build a hook. It's kind of interesting to me that the known lower bound on a second solution is such a huge number, but I don't think I represent a general reader for this purpose. I do also agree that the walls of equations make the article hard to read (not just to the average reader), but that is not really a DYK criterion. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, as a non-math guy, this hook is remarkably uninteresting. Though that is obviously my opinion, it shows that it is likely not a suitable one, or the article as a whole as a matter of a fact. TheBritinator (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How about "... that the only known solution for the Erdős–Moser equation is "1 + 2 = 3" ? DS (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's better. It still doesn't relate to non-mathematics at all, but at least it's (1) at a level understandable to the general reader, and (2) kind of intriguing how something so basic-looking as 1+2=3 could be the basis of something where we don't know if there is another solution. The question is whether it's enough better to pass the interestingness test. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also think that's better. I was going to suggest something like "... no one knows whether the Erdős–Moser equation has more than one solution". XOR'easter (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have added the 1+2=3 hook to the list. - LucasBrown 04:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 is brilliant! Schwede66 04:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 2

David Fishwick

Dave Fishwick on James English's Anything Goes podcast
Created by Launchballer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 232 past nominations.

Launchballer 12:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Good to go! 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 21:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I call false positive as that quote is fully attributed and therefore not a copyright violation.--Launchballer 22:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Approving ALT0. 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 22:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For context, The Times published a piece yesterday morning that directly contradicted my hook, which meant it wasn't accurate (he could afford a chip butty, just a slightly smaller one than usual). I also noticed that the Telegraph did not mention lunch, probably because it was in fact dinner. I will propose some more hooks later, but for now, I got severely carried away expanding the article, meaning that around only three eighths of this has actually been reviewed. This will definitely require a new reviewer. (Incidentally, that "Fighting Against the Elite" video is actually Creative Commons, so I have uploaded it to this nomination.)--Launchballer 20:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3: ... that David Fishwick went from a £27.50 a week pebbledashing job to becoming the biggest minibus supplier in Britain?
ALT4: ... that David Fishwick used to stuff his wallet with paper to appear richer to prospective sellers?
ALT5: ... that David Fishwick married his wife after she told him his music was rubbish?
ALT6: ... that David Fishwick decided he no longer wanted to be poor following an incident involving a chip butty?
ALT7: ... that a Times reviewer of Channel 4's Bank of Dave opined that David Fishwick "could have been one of the best comedy characters of 2012"?
... and if "200 characters" wasn't a thing, I'd propose "that David Fishwick's How to Get Rich Quick "encourages people of modest means to pursue equally modest dreams in the very modest hopes, several weeks of hard work later, of doubling their modest investments"?.--Launchballer 10:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT8: ... that when a writer contacted David Fishwick to express interest in making a film about his bank, he insisted that it was shot in Burnley?--Launchballer 13:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 3

Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men (The Boys episode)

Created by TarheelBornBred (talk) and Ulises1126 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TarheelBornBred (talk) 17:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Inauguration of Lai Ching-te

Lai Ching-te's inauguration
Lai Ching-te's inauguration
Created by CanonNi (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

'''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 06:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Z1720:, thanks for the ping. Honestly, I kinda forgot about this nomination... @Shooterwalker: thanks for the feedback. I've reviewed the MOS and think that the article and hook meet the guidlines and would be happy to fix any mistakes. About the context, I agree, so maybe we could change it to something like "...that China launched a military exercise in response to the inauguration of Lai Ching-te as president of Taiwan? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 10:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's go with the hook as you rewrote it:
ALT1a: "... ...that China launched a military exercise in response to the inauguration of Lai Ching-te as president of Taiwan?".
I don't see any other issues. Shooterwalker (talk) 23:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 6

Articles created/expanded on June 7

Scybalium fungiforme

The flower of Scybalium fungiforme
The flower of Scybalium fungiforme
Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 32 past nominations.

Ornithoptera (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article new enough and long enough. The sections are all cited, and sources are all of good quality and neutrally represented. The description section is a little close to the translated source text and should be massaged into smoother flowing prose. As an alternative to hook, you could go with
  • Alt1 ... that the primary pollinators of the parasitic Scybalium fungiforme plant (pictured) are saruê possums?--Kevmin § 16:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi @Kevmin:! Thank you for taking the time to read through the article, and I will definitely take into account your suggestion in a moment (just reworded in accordance to your suggestion, if you have any more suggestions to help with the flow, you are welcome to share them!). I appreciate the alternative hook, but to me it feels a bit dry. I would like to emphasize in the hook how the flowers are torn open by possums. Matter of factly telling people that an animal pollinates plants (both of which they might not know) feel a bit dry to those who are not familiar with plant pollination. To folks who are familiar with pollination, knowing that mammals pollinate flowers is an uncommon pollination method and thus interesting, but its too niche to be hook-y to me. Including the idea that the flowers are essentially hidden away until they are torn open could be quite interesting to someone unfamiliar with the subject area. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Ornithoptera: I can respect that. With the original hook, its long feeling, we should be looking to streamline it. None of the sources used so far have called the inflorescence scales "sharp", as a note. The Amorim et al 2020 paper specifically uses the terms "scrap and remove" and "desquamate" so maybe going with a peeling analogy. Also did you see there is a Dec 2002 paper also lead by Amorim which details bat visitation to the flowers doi:10.1002/ecy.3935 and documents two possum species and a second major scale removing group in the ruby-crowned tanager, Tachyphonus coronatus?--Kevmin § 20:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt2...that before they can be pollinated, flowers of Scybalium fungiforme need to be forcefully peeled open by possums or tanagers?
Sorry about the lack of replies, Life got hectic with a burst water heater. If you want me to add the last source, I can do it, but that means adding me to the nom as a contributor and asking for a full review from an uninvolved editor. It would be easier for you to do an update to the article with paper #2 and I can then verify the alt hook and check the nom as good to go.--Kevmin § 16:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ornithoptera: which of these two options would you prefer to pursue?--Kevmin § 18:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kevmin: Hey, sorry, frankly I read the response in my head and forgot to respond entirely, my apologies. My sincerest apologies in regards to what's been going on in your life at the moment and thank you for taking the time out of your schedule to review the DYK nomination regardless. I hope it is resolved as soon as possible and hoping the best for you and anyone else who is affected. I will choose the easier option and update the article myself. Thank you for informing me that the option I had suggested would lead to that, I didn't know that would happen. I'll do my best to update the article later today and ping you once I have completed it! Ornithoptera (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ornithoptera: No worries, the larger life things resolved over the past week and I have more free time again (plus insidious temps outside so more reason to be inside writing :D ). Its in the subrules for DYK so may contributors don't know about it until the specific senarios present themselves. Basically as soon as a reviewer provides anything more then cosmetic edits to a nominated article they are considered a nominator and not a reviewer and thus a new review is needed with a non-nominator. I dont mind doing the update if you would like me too, mostly it will mean the nomination gets punted back and we wait for another reviewer to vet our combined work.--Kevmin § 22:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Better Off Dead?

Moved to mainspace by Sdrqaz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

Sdrqaz (talk) 03:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

my opinion still stands. anyway, if you have to run this article, run alt1. ltbdl (talk) 08:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 8

Reggie Brown (wide receiver, born 1970)

Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 188 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 9

Samuel Herbert Maw

La Cité de Montréal (1942) by Samuel Herbert Maw
La Cité de Montréal (1942) by Samuel Herbert Maw
Created by WikiFouf (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

WikiFouf (talk) 16:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Notable has a meaning in wiki-talk, see WP:GNG for example. Maybe we could focus on the fact that his works had thousands of reproductions?
As for the image, it was, under Canadian law at the time, protected for fifty years after death. Per this, however the copyright may have been extended per WP:URAA. This is not a field in which I am expert. Do you know if the maps were also published in the US at the same time?


  1. ^ "Maw, Samuel Herbert". Biographical Dictionary of Architects in Canada. Retrieved 9 June 2024.

Barry Burton

Source: [1][2] About Eurogamer YT source. "It’s Forest. OH MY COD!” started from 0:39 to 0:43, while "Jill Sandwich" started at 2:26 to 2:29.

Created by Boneless Pizza! (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 10:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC). [reply]


  1. ^ McDonell, Jess (January 28, 2013). "Gaming Meme History: Jill Sandwich". GameSpot. Archived from the original on April 11, 2013. Retrieved August 12, 2017.
  2. ^ https://www.eurogamer.net/oh-my-cod-an-ode-to-resident-evils-barry-burton

Length and history verified. References good for original hook. But for ALT1 (and the Eurogamer one for the original, if you are linking to a page with video use ((cite AV media)) and give us the time when the statement is made in the video instead of making us look through the whole thing. Daniel Case (talk) 05:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Case about Eurogamer. "Jill Sandwich" started at 2:26 to 2:29. Thanks for informing me. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 06:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Architects' Tombs

Architects Tombs at Jaffa Gate, Jerusalem
Architects Tombs at Jaffa Gate, Jerusalem
Created by PeleYoetz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

PeleYoetz (talk) 11:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Article length and age are fine; no copyright violations or plagiarism could be found; reliable sources are used. Since, according to the sources cited, there are several suspected identifications for these graves, it is perhaps best to add in the lead paragraph: “Although disputed, these graves are attributed to the engineers of Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, who, according to Jerusalem legend, built the city's wall.” The hook should also clarify this point. For example:

Thank you @Davidbena:, it sounds good to me. Is there anything else needed from my side? PeleYoetz (talk) 09:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll go over the article again to check for things that I may have missed, but this will have to wait until Thursday, after we have concluded our holiday.Davidbena (talk) 12:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC
Davidbena Now done. PeleYoetz (talk) 09:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 11

Shachar Sagiv

Sagiv in 2022
Sagiv in 2022
5x expanded by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:DD64:E22E:2B9C:8DC (talk) and Schwede66 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 145 past nominations.

Schwede66 03:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'm a well-known athletics hook hater, but this one is actually unusual and interesting, IMO. Zanahary 06:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it’s indeed rare to have two Olympians who are brothers and who also have a father who is an Olympian. And there is ample coverage of this fact in RSs in regard to him and his family precisely because it is notable. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:C1F0:2A4D:7D90:217B (talk) 08:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To shorten the hook even further than 185 characters, though I think 185 is appropriately concise, one might consider changing the lead-in of the hook to "that triathlete Shachar Sagiv, who will represent Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics ..." That would bring the character count down 11, to a tidy 174, 26 characters short of the limit.
In addition, we can bold Ran Sagiv and make the hook about his 5x expansion as well.2603:7000:2101:AA00:A407:4587:FBA9:6E1B (talk) 04:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You'd have to provide another QPQ, but if you do, we can certainly run this as a double hook. Schwede66 00:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Assuming that this will be good to go at some point, I suggest that this be run on 30 July. See Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Olympic hooks table. Schwede66 01:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 looks good. I will provide another QPQ. Also, run on 30 July makes good sense. Thanks. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:D4A:2D60:FB7D:680A (talk) 20:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't forget about the second QPQ. Schwede66 04:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Our IP editor might have fallen off the edge of earth. Without a second QPQ, I suggest we unbolden Ran Sagiv and proceed with ALT1a. Narutolovehinata5, are you happy to sign this off on this basis? Schwede66 04:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies. Real life interfered. I've now also done a qpq on Victory Vertical. ALT1 looks good. Thanks.2603:7000:2101:AA00:1C0D:29BD:F02A:DC84 (talk) 23:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Once approved, please place this nomination in the Olympics: Special occasion holding area

Articles created/expanded on June 14


Moved to mainspace by Slgrandson (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 09:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Birthday of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman

Sheikh Mujibur Rahman in 1950s
Sheikh Mujibur Rahman in 1950s
Created by Mehedi Abedin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

Mehedi Abedin (talk) 17:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 15

Mohan Charan Majhi, 2024 Odisha Legislative Assembly election

5x expanded by Dharmadhyaksha (talk), Rohitsetthachok (talk), Magentic Manifestations (talk), and Aditya anu (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 67 past nominations.

§§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 18:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Kimikel: Some minor copyediting done. Unfortunately i could not fina any glaring copy editing requirements. But you can help, if you think some sentences need tweeking.
When a Chief Minister takes oath they form the government. Statesman says the new government is formed and that Majhi is the new CM. I don't see what the confusion here is. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 17


Improved to Good Article status by Cukie Gherkin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Cukie Gherkin (talk) 01:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

It's borderline since it's at exactly 200 words, but it might be better for the main reviewer to decide. Given this is your second nomination, the reviewer will probably be lenient about the nomination being slightly late. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Valley Falls train collision

1853 daguerreotype of the collision
1853 daguerreotype of the collision
Improved to Good Article status by Trainsandotherthings (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 30 past nominations.

Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Given the circumstances of the nomination I'm pinging some of the commentors in the recent "first" hooks discussion such as @RoySmith, SL93, and Schwede66: for advice. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My usual litmus test for "first" hooks is whether there's a finite set of things, making it possible to definitively order them and see which was first. For example, we can be pretty sure George Washington was indeed the first president of the United States; even the most skeptical of us should be willing to accept that there wasn't one before him that we just somehow haven't found yet in a google search. In this case, photography had only existed for about 20 years when this crash happened. The window of when an earlier photo might have been taken is thus limited, so at least this seems likely to be true. On general principles, however, I think we should say "believed to be" or something like that. FWIW, I found mention of this in the George Eastman House 2008 Annual Report which says "[Train wreck on the Providence Worcester Railroad near to Pawtucket], August 12, 1853. Attributed to L. Wright. Daguerreotype. so there may be some uncertainty about the photographer's identity. RoySmith (talk) 15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't follow the last point. Both the link and the source I use in the article attribute the photograph to L. Wright. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I generally interpret the phrase "attributed to" to indicate a degree of uncertainty. Thus Read my lips: no new taxes says, "Read my lips: no new taxes" is a phrase spoken by American presidential candidate George H. W. Bush. There's no doubt in anybody's mind that he said it. Millions of people watched him say it live on TV and we've got it on videotape to go back and verify. But Gospel of Matthew says The gospel is traditionally attributed to the Apostle Matthew because we're not 100% sure. I think the same thing is going on here; the Eastman folks believe Wright took the image, but they apparently have enough uncertainty about it that they felt the needs to hedge in their statement. RoySmith (talk) 19:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand now. So what we know without a doubt is this collision happened and it was photographed. Photography was very much an emerging technology at this point so I think this is almost certainly one of the first train collisions ever photographed, if not the first. Railroads as we know them only really emerged around 1830 with the Liverpool and Manchester Railway and the Daguerreotype was invented in 1839. It's difficult to definitively prove this was the first photo, but it was almost certainly one of the earliest. The question is how do we word this in the article and in the hook. An ALT1 about the emergence of a very early form of a coordinated time/time zone in the aftermath of this wreck is also possible, as that is somewhat easier to verify. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 19

2025 Philippine general election

Created by TheNuggeteer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TheNuggeteer (talk) 06:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'm going to overrule this as @TheNuggeteer: is a new user (this is their second nomination) and WP:DYKNEW can be extended for a day or two upon request. (Don't do it again mind.)--Launchballer 07:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The QPQ tool says otherwise, but your funeral. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 08:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't use the QPQ tool, which is in alphabetical order anyway. I go through users' contribution histories.--Launchballer 08:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 ... that the 2025 Philippine general election is set to be the first to be held under a new voting system provider after the previous one was disqualified over corruption allegations?
Nothing else stands out that is unique to this particular election or seems to meet DYKINT, at least as of right now. I'll leave it to others if "previous one" should link to Smartmatic. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this should be interesting enough sans the wikilink. Thanks, Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 13:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly suggest that "will be" be replaced by "is set to be" or the equivalent. WP:CRYSTAL applies here to a certain extent: something could happen in the Philippines to change next year's election provider between now and then—it might even revert to the previous provider, however unlikely that seems at the moment—and "will be" is a definite prediction of the future while "is set to be" simply says that this is what's expected as of today. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oriana Skylar Mastro

US political scientist and Air Force officer Oriana S. Mastro in uniform
US political scientist and Air Force officer Oriana S. Mastro in uniform

Improved to Good Article status W9793 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:54, 23 June 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Oriana Skylar Mastro 2; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.

QPQ: No - Not done
Overall: Article was nominated within 7 days of reaching Good Article status. Article is more than 1,500 words long in prose. No problems with sourcing and plagiarism. Earwig picked up an "unlikely" copyright violation of 28.1%. QPQ still needs to be done. I don't feel like the hook is interesting as being advised to take a different career is pretty common; is there any way to rephrase that or find a different hook? lullabying (talk) 07:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reviewing. Would one of the following be better?

DYK... American political scientist and China specialist Oriana Skylar Mastro was inspired to write her first book after participating in a military war game simulation? (source: https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2021/11/combining-military-service-scholarship)

DYK... Oriana Skylar Mastro, a Stanford political scientist, joined the U.S. Air Force as a PhD student to better understand military issues in the Asia Pacific? (source: https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2021/11/combining-military-service-scholarship)

W9793 (talk) 23:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 20

Orca Shipwreck

Created by Owenglyndur (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Owenglyndur (talk) 13:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

This article was created 4 days ago and on the same day i nominated it for DYK. The reason for the name derives from the news articvle staitng it was found next to Israels' Orca gas field. Here is the quote from the article: "While scanning the seabed ahead of developing Israel's Orca natural gas field , Energean observed an anomaly that would change our understanding of ancient navigation skills" Owenglyndur (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 21

Nicol Spence Galbraith

5x expanded by Whispyhistory (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 198 past nominations.

Whispyhistory (talk) 19:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Chand Sifarish

Created by KunalAggarwal95 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I don't have any information about those popularity charts. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case then that hook can't run as it won't pass scrutiny on either WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. A new hook will need to be proposed here, but if one can't, then the nom will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New hook: ALT1 ... that the song "Chand Sifarish" was produced in the voice of Kishore Kumar and Mohammed Rafi, with the help of Artificial intelligence. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The context of that hook is a bit unclear. Did you mean the song was covered by Kumar and Rafi with the help of AI? Given this is a music-related hook, maybe Launchballer can come up with a clearer and more grammatically-correct wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the hook is telling me what I think it's trying to tell me, then I would suggest words to the effect of ALT1a: ... that an AI-generated cover of Shaan and Kailash Kher's "Chand Sifarish" became popular on social media? Also, what makes The Times of India reliable?--Launchballer 13:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that the tools are saying this is an old article because it used to be one; the article was deleted at AfD in 2012. I think the AI stuff takes it over the line in terms of notability.--Launchballer 13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that ToI has a yellow rating at WP:RSP, but the hook's claim seems uncontroversial and not something they likely made up. If there are no other sources that cover that information I don't think it should be an issue to use ToI in this particular case (unless this is one of their paid articles), but to be on the safe side maybe another source should be added to strengthen the claim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The hook belongs to Hindustan Times. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 22

Keegan Baker

Created by FishLoveHam (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

FishLoveHam (talk) 15:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]


Created by Ominae (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

Ominae (talk) 13:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 23

Embassy of the Philippines, Amman

Created by Sky Harbor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 53 past nominations.

Sky Harbor (talk) 08:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

The nominator hasn't edited since July 1st and has not provided a QPQ. Marking for closure as abandoned, without prejudice against it continuing if the nominator returns or another editor adopts this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Narutolovehinata5. If you're wondering why I've not been able to work on this nomination, it's because I am currently in Turkey for work-related travel. I will work on the QPQ within the next 1-2 days, and thank you for your patience. --Sky Harbor (talk) 23:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
QPQ review done, Narutolovehinata5. Thank you again for your patience. --Sky Harbor (talk) 16:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Goodboy Galaxy

Created by Oz346 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 09:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Lahug Airport

Created by TheNuggeteer (talk) and Mastodon554 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

TheNuggeteer (talk) 05:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: No - Still needed.
Overall: Went ahead and copyedited the article, but it seems to have brought it below the length requirement after removing some filler. SounderBruce 01:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"PacificWrecks.com" does not exactly scream "reliable". The CDN piece seems to be an opinion/contributor reflection rather than a proper news article. I imagine a papal mass would have plenty of coverage, no? SounderBruce 02:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Salz (American football)

Moved to mainspace by Bruxton (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 152 past nominations.

Bruxton (talk) 19:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for checking out this nomination.. I did some copyediting but it is hard for me to find my own errors so I would appreciate you calling them out. For hook ideas I prefer that someone click the article to discover rather than getting in the weeds with specificity in the hook. For fifth and sixth hook ideas:
ALT4: ... that a wide receiver on the Texas A&M Aggies football team wears number 39 to symbolize the tasks or items which Jews should avoid during the Sabbath?
ALT5: ... that American football player Sam Salz wears number 39 to remind him of "lamed tet melachot"?
Bruxton (talk) 15:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4 sounds good to me. The article is improved but the wording still seems a bit weird (for example, "As a young boy Salz never watched college football because it is played on the Shabbat and he is an observant orthodox Jew." and "He was not invited to join the football team so he practiced by himself within sight of the football team and eventually earned a roster spot.") I don't have access to the NYT source; is 2003 mentioned in that article? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Excellent. You can archive a link to read text it by putting the url in archive.ph. Here is a link to the NYT article. I got 2003 from "Salz, 21, became obsessed with playing college football at a young age, for reasons he can’t exactly pinpoint." It is a 2024 article and 2024-21 is c. 2003. Regarding the two sentences, I do not see the weirdness to their structurel; if you do please edit them. Bruxton (talk) 23:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it's just me not being a native speaker but something feels off about the first sentence to me, but it could just be that it's correct to a native speaker but sounds weird to a non-native one. The second one could probably be rewritten to something like "As he was not invited to join the football team, he practiced by himself within sight of them. He eventually earned a roster spot." Maybe something like that? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: I reordered the first sentence you called out and I used your language for the second sentence. Bruxton (talk) 22:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now that I think about it, ALT4a is quite long. Would it be okay if it got shortened to ALT4a ... that a Texas A&M Aggies football wide receiver wears number 39 to symbolize the tasks or items which Jews should avoid during the Sabbath? "Football" could even be dropped if possible, but given American football's relatively niche popularity outside of North America, just "wide receiver" without context might not make much sense, hence the addition of "football" (or even "college football" if really needed). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: I am ok with any change that helps advance this nomination. Bruxton (talk) 01:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. I'll think about hook options over the next few days but as long as the copyediting has been completed I can probably complete the review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:31, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the delay in reviewing. The article meets requirements for newness and length, and I did not find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done and verified. All major statements in the article match the sources, and all hooks are mentioned in the article and verified in the sources. There is one statement in the article, however: the "thought to be the only orthodox Jewish football player in NCAA Division I" fact might change in the future, so the mention in the article may need a qualifier. I also note that one of the sources says he's the first known orthodox Jewish college football player, but given the recent brouhaha over "first" hooks it might be the safest option not to go with that. Some variation of ALT4 (I will leave the exact wording to the promoter) is probably the best option here as the most unusual or interesting; my original preference (ALT1) is unsuitable due to not being directly mentioned in the article, as well as not meeting the "unlikely to change" criterion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Petzoldt

Created by D.H (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

D.H (talk) 15:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 24

Dus Bahane

Created by KunalAggarwal95 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

It is not a deprecated source. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter that it isn't deprecated. It matters that its reliability has been questioned, and I'm looking for a strong rationale as to why it is being used.--Launchballer 22:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
as no other sources provide information. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 06:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it then. My gut says that it isn't strong enough for the claims it's making. You do still need a grammatically correct hook.--Launchballer 19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New hook: ALT1 ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" wasn't supposed to be shot, but was shot in 10 hours and became the most played song of 2005?— Preceding unsigned comment added by KunalAggarwal95 (talkcontribs)
Better, although MOS:CONTRACTIONS forbids words like 'wasn't', and I'd also trim it at 'shot' per WP:DYKTRIM, like so: ALT1a: ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" was not supposed to be shot?. I note that the source says 'shot' as well, so AGF that this is acceptable in Indian English and call for another reviewer.--Launchballer 07:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Henrik Igityan National Centre for Aesthetics

Work in collection
Work in collection
Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 97 past nominations.

Lajmmoore (talk) 21:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

ALT1... that the Yerevan Children's Art Gallery shows "the unexpected beauty of children’s art"? Source: https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000063186

Zhou Xuan (Three Kingdoms)

Created by Kzyx (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Kzyx (talk) 20:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 25

Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics

Improved to Good Article status by Arconning (talk) and TheBritinator (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Arconning (talk) 17:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I also thought this. Alternative one proposed seems more appropriate. TheBritinator (talk) 00:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2 ... that for the 1936 Summer Olympics, Liechtenstein flipped their flag upside down?
[11] I think this fact would be far enough from the already posted fact for Haiti. Arconning (talk) 04:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Once approved, please place this nomination in the Olympics: Special occasion holding area

Articles created/expanded on June 26

Joni (song)

Moved to mainspace by PSA (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.

PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 00:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Not in Love (Crystal Castles song)

Converted from a redirect by Skyshifter (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

Skyshiftertalk 22:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I guess. Not that it's your problem, but the original's really short and I'd question its notability. Might redirect it to your article and see if anybody whinges. Full review needed.--Launchballer 18:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Created by Kimikel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Kimikel (talk) 15:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: My first DYK review and I'm not sure about the hook, so requesting another reviewer. Thank you. GoldRomean (talk) 02:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?
Kimikel (talk) 00:09, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ling Nam

Created by Vortex3427 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TheNuggeteer (talk) 02:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 28

Ken Goldin

Created by Muboshgu (talk), Pasdue (talk), Alansohn (talk), and TulsaPoliticsFan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 535 past nominations.

– Muboshgu (talk) 01:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Can you identify the source(s) for the hook and cite the relevant excerpt(s). Very likely I missed it among the multiple cites for that sentence. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 19:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jab Se Tere Naina

Created by KunalAggarwal95 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Sizzle Ohtaka

Moved to mainspace by Miraclepine (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 47 past nominations.

ミラP@Miraclepine 18:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

List of people who use their middle names as their first names

The Encyclopedia of Popular Music p.1564
5x expanded by Isaidnoway (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Isaidnoway (talk) 10:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

It's my understanding that this is Did you know that ... per WP:DYK. Isaidnoway (talk) 16:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess. They must have missed that at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 200#"First" hooks when they proposed that hook. Full review needed.--Launchballer 19:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 29

Papua New Guinean art

5x expanded by Kimikel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Kimikel (talk) 15:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 30

Zhang Ziyu

Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 199 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Schwede66 I asked for a second opinion at the DYK talk page two days ago. Still waiting to hear back from well anyone. I'm not comfortable with moving forward on this one without some additional input from others.4meter4 (talk) 22:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right; I missed that. BeanieFan11, I suggest that 4meter4 is correct and the article should discuss that sources differ, and list what various reliable sources give. Once done, your suggested hook alteration is fine. I've added this as ALT1 and struck ALT0. Schwede66 23:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Once approved, please place this nomination in the Olympics: Special occasion holding area

Liza 'N' Eliaz

DJ Liza 'N' Eliaz
DJ Liza 'N' Eliaz
Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 98 past nominations.

Lajmmoore (talk) 13:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Francis Procter, A History of the Book of Common Prayer

Created by Pbritti (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 51 past nominations.

Pbritti (talk) 17:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

The Chinese in America

Created by Cunard (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 77 past nominations.

Cunard (talk) 11:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Rjjiii (talk · contribs), I think the hook is fine. Although the source questions the accuracy of the statement, the source verifies that the book makes this statement. Here are sources that verify that people in California during the gold rush era sent their laundry to Hong Kong:

  1. Goethe, Charles Matthias (1949). What's in a Name?: (Tales, Historical Or Fictitious, about 111 California Gold Belt Place Names). p. 44. OCLC 606542. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.

    This is not a reliable source as the author is a eugenicist. But I am including it here as it's the earliest source I can find that mentions that California gold miners shipped their laundry to Hong Kong. The book notes: "Apparently eggs from Hong Kong, Canton then were being shipped here with California miners' returned laundry."

  2. Mau, Edward Seu Chen (1989). The Mau Lineage. Honolulu: Hawaii Chinese History Center. University of Hawaii Press. p. 170. ISBN 0-8248-1114-3. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Internet Archive.

    The book notes: "When the Gold Rush started, some of the San Franciscans sent their laundry to Honolulu and even to Hong Kong by sailing vessel because there was no one around to do it. By sailing vessel, it required about forty days for a round trip to Honolulu and about sixty days to Hong Kong."

  3. Rubin, Susan Goldman (1998). Toilets, Toasters and Telephones: The How and Why of Everday Objects. San Diego, California: Browndeer Press. Harcourt Brace & Company. p. 56. ISBN 0-15-201421-7. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Internet Archive.

    The book notes: "Rich gold miners who didn't have a laundry nearby sent their shirts out to be washed, starched, and ironed-in Hong Kong, China! It cost as much as a dollar a shirt and took two to four months for the shirts to make the round-trip."

  4. Williams, Dave (2000). Misreading the Chinese Character: Images of the Chinese in Euroamerican Drama to 1925. New York: Peter Lang. p. 82. ISBN 978-0-8204-4559-5. Retrieved 2024-07-03.

    The book notes: "In the early days of the Gold Rush, Euroamerican men shipped their soiled laundry to Hong Kong or Honolulu for cleaning, and received it again after two or three months."

  5. Tchen, John Kuo Wei (1984). Genthe's Photographs of San Francisco's Old Chinatown. New York: Courier Corporation. ISBN 978-0-486-14069-8. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.

    The book notes: "As the San Francisco economy boomed with hopeful gold seekers, the city experienced continual labor shortages throughout the 1850s and 1860s. It was cheaper for male miners who refused to wash their own clothes, for example, either to send their dirty laundry on a clipper ship to Hong Kong or Honolulu to be washed or to simply throw it away, than to pay the rates to have their clothes done locally."

  6. Yee, Nick (2014). The Proteus Paradox: How Online Games and Virtual Worlds Change Us—And How They Don't. New Haven, Connecticut: Yale University Press. p. 90. ISBN 978-0-300-19099-1. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.

    The book notes: "I am describing the mid-nineteenth-century genesis of Chinese laundry shops (yi-shan-guan in Chinese) during and after the California Gold Rush. Due to the perception of laundry as women's work and the scarcity of women in California during the Gold Rush era, the local cost for doing laundry was exorbitant. Miners, both white and Chinese, routinely shipped their laundry to Honolulu and even Hong Kong for cleaning and pressing. Even then, the price was high and the process took four months. As Iris Chang describes in The Chinese in America, Chinese entrepreneurs took advantage of this economic opportunity and created local laundry shops."

  7. Ling, Huping; Austin, Allan, eds. (2015) [2010]. "Laundries, Chinese". Asian American History and Culture: An Encyclopedia: An Encyclopedia. Abingdon, Oxon: Routledge. ISBN 978-0-7656-8077-8. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.

    The book notes: "The perception by most whites that washing was work demeaning to men, together with the absence of women on the Western frontier, made laundry a service in demand. Before the arrival of the Chinese, and with California labor in short supply and hence expensive, dirty laundry was routed to Hong Kong to be washed for $12 a dozen items, and then later to Hawaii for $8 a dozen. But Chinese entrepreneurs in San Francisco saw the potential profits in doing the washing themselves on the West Coast, and prices dropped to $5 a dozen as shipping and handling costs decreased. Soon, local laundries replaced the overseas ones."

  8. Kuo, John; Tchen, Wei, eds. (1987). "Origin of the Chinese Laundry". The Chinese Laundryman: A Study of Social Isolation. New York: New York University Press. pp. 4647. ISBN 0-8147-7859-3. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.

    This source predates the 2003 book Chinese in America and discusses how laundry was shipped from San Francisco to Hawaii which cost $8 and took six to eight weeks.

    The book notes: "But it cost money for the San Franciscans to achieve such stylishness and respectability, for the laundry bills were terrific. In order to have their linen washed, starched and ironed to the right degree of whiteness and rigidity cost them eight dollars per dozen, sometimes even more. The men didn't mind paying from three to five dollars for an order of ham and eggs or a steak, but eight dollars just to scrub and iron some pieces of shirt was an excessive price. So there were grumblings aplenty. And not only that, there was also the annoyance of waiting from six to eight weeks for one's laundry to come back each time one sent it off, for mostly they were shipped to the Hawaiian Islands to be washed. And then the shirts might return with buttons missing or collars separated."

  9. Strange USA: Historical Oddities, Roadside Rarities, Unique Eats, and Amazing Americans. San Diego, California: Portable Press. 2023. ISBN 978-1-6672-0115-3. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.

    The book notes: "3: Number of months it took prospectors to get their clean clothes back before Wah Lee opened San Francisco's first Chinese laundry in 1851. Prior to that, there were so few laundries that miners sent dirty clothes by ship to Hong Kong, where they were cleaned, pressed, and then shipped back."

  10. Blackburn, Sarah-SoonLing (2024). Exclusion and the Chinese American Story. New York: Random House Children's Books. p. 59–60. ISBN 978-0-593-56763-0. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.

    The book notes: "By the mid-1800s, some people, mostly white, had managed to get rich in the Gold Rush. ... They often thought of laundry as a "woman's job," and therefore, beneath them. Without many other options, it became pretty common for people to ship their laundry all the way to Hong Kong to be cleaned. This took nearly four months and cost about twelve dollars for a dozen shirts, which is equal to about four hundred dollars today. Still, this was way cheaper than the alternative, to send the clothes back to the East Coast of the United States to be cleaned. Remember, the Transcontinental Rail- road wasn't finished yet, so the laundry would have had to go by boat all the way around the continent or over land on a wagon. Hong Kong was the best option for people with the money to spend on laundry, and so the shipment of clothing back and forth across the Pacific Ocean became another link between the coasts of the United States and China, another lane on the highway connecting Chinese Americans between their two lands. In the middle of the Pacific Ocean, and closer to San Francisco than to Hong Kong, you will find the islands of Hawai'i. By the mid-1800s, Hawai'i had become a stopover for people and goods as they went back and forth between China and the West Coast of the continental United States. The rich people who had been shipping their laundry to Hong Kong now had a closer, more affordable option. Instead of spending twelve dollars to have a dozen shirts washed in Hong Kong, they could spend eight dollars to have a dozen shirts washed in Honolulu."

  11. Burman, Edward (2008). China: The Stealth Empire: Why the World is Not Chinese Yet. Stroud, Gloucestershire: The History Press. ISBN 978-0-7524-9619-1. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.

    The book notes: "As the gold fever cooled, there was a shift in Chinese business patterns, first from mining to laundries, and then to railway construction. The second was the result of quintessentially Chinese entrepreneurship. The Chinese noticed that people in California were prepared to pay for laundry services, which involved shipping to the East Coast, Honolulu and even Hong Kong, which were all both costly and took time. It was obviously beneficial for customers to pay $5 for a dozen shirts rather than $12, and to receive the shirts in a few days rather than up to four months."

  12. McKeown, Adam (2014). "Movement". In Armitage, David; Bashford, Alison (eds.). Pacific Histories: Ocean, Land, People. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. p. 154. ISBN 978-1-137-00163-4. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.

    The book notes: "A similar story unfolded on the Pacific coast of the Americas. North American trade with Asia and Australia grew rapidly in the 1860s and 1870s, but failed to live up to that potential in subsequent years. In the first years of the gold rush, prices for goods and labour in California were so high that laundry was famously sent from San Francisco to Hong Kong to be washed. By the end of the 1850s, California had begun shipping wheat, quicksilver, hides, lumber, oats, beans, potatoes and wool across the Pacific to Asia and the Australian"

  13. Goldstone, Lawrence (2020). On Account of Race: The Supreme Court, White Supremacy, and the Ravaging of African American Voting Rights. Berkeley, California: Counterpoint. p. 133. ISBN 978-1-64009-576-2. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.

    The book notes: "Most of the men who arrived in California to hunt for gold came alone. Mining was dirty, dusty work, but washing grimy, mud-caked clothes was considered a "woman's job." Some of the more successful single men shipped dirty clothes to Hong Kong and waited months for their return. For the rest, since local Spanish and Native American women charged too high a price, Chinese men filled the void. Within a few years, the Chinese came to dominate the laundry business in San Francisco."

Cunard (talk) 09:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. You're right. Rather than doing a review, I'd like to offer an alternative hook. Since multiple university press sources state it as a fact, could we run a hook that also presents it as a historical fact? Like this:

Cited to The Christian Science Monitor in the article. @Cunard: if you're not feeling that, let me know, and I'll strike my suggestion. If you have an improvement, let me know, and I'll review it. Rjjiii (talk) 13:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 1

Piano Quintet (Shostakovich)

Shostakovich in 1942
Shostakovich in 1942
5x expanded by CurryTime7-24 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 46 past nominations.

CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Let me get back to you later today. Thanks for reviewing! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mall curfew

Moved to mainspace by Reconrabbit (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Reconrabbit 00:21, 2 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

That's probably better. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lilia Cosman