Ordering of IPA symbols

I noticed that these templates use different ways of ordering the IPA consonant symbols:

Would it be better to align all to one way? And how about the vowels? I tend to go for alphabetic ordering, because these templates are meant for easy lookup by non-experts, who are not likely to recognise the logic of the IPA table ordering.

Another way to improve overview for Italian and Russian might be to split off a column in the consonant table for the doubled/palatalised symbols. That way there is more chance that the whole help page would fit on one screen.

Woodstone (talk) 08:56, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you on alphabetic ordering. In regards to Italian, I'm wondering if the doubled entries can't be eliminated and instead a note saying that all consonants but [blank] can be doubled. As for Russian, could you show a sample of what you mean? — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 10:41, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I mean like this:

IPA Examples IPA Examples
p пыль; стопа; скрип; зуб пепел
b бок; небо белого; воробей
et cetera

Woodstone (talk) 11:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have started aligning the IPA help pages. I saw that some use bolded IPA symbols. That is unusual and may hamper seeing them clearly. I propose to make them not bold, but slightly bigger than the normal font. Then the rule set could be:

Woodstone (talk) 22:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:IPAhelp2col

Ambox warning pn.svgTemplate:IPAhelp2col has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. DePiep (talk) 09:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]