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This template (Template:Ludwig van Beethoven) was considered for deletion on 18 August 2005. The result of the discussion was "keep".

I've been very bold and removed all the works by Beethoven from this template. I consider this to be in line with the ideas expressed by a majority in the TfD. Although there was no consensus to delete, there was, as I interpret it, a reasonably strong consensus that the inclusion of some "prominent" works (and, consequentially, the exclusion of others) was a problem. Keep in mind, incidentally, that templates for the piano sonatas and string quartets already exist, and I am considering making a template for the symphonies as well. In other words, we're not losing anything. EldKatt (Talk) 18:52, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I added back in a link to list of works by Beethoven because I think it belongs alongside the rest of the links in this template. As far as I can tell (the website's being slow right now), consensus only removed that link while the template also had links to "major" pieces by Beethoven. Starwiz 15:39, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, it was always there in a somewhat disguised form ("Other major works"). It only disappeared because of sloppy editing on my part. Thanks for putting it back in. EldKatt (Talk) 17:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Should the film Beethoven's Great Love be added to the template, or is that article too short? And should works like the album Beethoven's Last Night be considered for inclusion?

Also: the template currently reads: "In movies"; isn't Wikipedias preference to use "film"? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:33, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to the reasons against a mega template I raised at Template talk:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, I noticed that some similar and some even more convincing arguments have been made in 2005 at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Not deleted/August 2005#Template:Ludwig van Beethoven. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:08, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the edit revert - and link to the earlier discussion - had I known this was discussed earlier I may not have posted my own efforts - nonetheless, I learned some new things about Beethoven and his compositions in the process - as far as I knew at the time, Fidelio was the only opera by Beethoven but the Leonore link in the list of works seemed to suggest to me that there might be some fragment or equivalent of some other opera effort - thanks for helping me understand that Fidelio seems to be the only Beethoven opera effort after all - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 21:17, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Brief Followup - If Interested, Preliminary "Beethoven Mega-Templates" Are Copied Below - Based On Our Earlier Comments, Of Course, Neither Effort May Be Useful - But The Short Version *May* Be (perhaps?) A Try In An OK Direction - In Any Case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:24, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As has been pointed out by several editors at Template talk:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart#Mega template, this template is simply too large to be of any navigational use; shortening the titles makes it only more confusing. Also – for both the Mozart and the Beethoven templates: consider the composer's list of works (Köchel catalogue, List of compositions by Ludwig van Beethoven) and note for how many compositions we don't have articles yet; writing them will make these template bigger and bigger and continually increase their problems. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:28, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Michael Bednarek - Thank You *very much* for your well considered comments - they are *all* greatly appreciated - I *entirely* agree with you - the large amount of works of Mozart and Beethoven seem too large for useful mega-templates - but at least we gave them a try - Thanks again - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 04:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW - A Newer "Beethoven Mega-Template" Effort Is Presented (suggested earlier by Gerda Arendt) - The "COLLAPSIBLE VERSION" Is Copied Below - Comments Welcome - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 14:42, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

v t e Ludwig van Beethoven - COLLAPSIBLE VERSION
Operas Fidelio
Symphonies Symphony No. 1 in C major Symphony No. 2 in D major Symphony No. 3 in E♭ major ("Eroica") Symphony No. 4 in B♭ major Symphony No. 5 in C minor Symphony No. 6 in F major ("Pastoral") Symphony No. 7 in A major Symphony No. 8 in F major Symphony No. 9 in D minor ("Choral") Symphony No. 10 in E♭ (hypothetical)
Concertos Piano Concerto No. 0 in E♭ major Piano Concerto No. 1 in C major Piano Concerto No. 2 in B♭ major Piano Concerto No. 3 in C minor Piano Concerto No. 4 in G major Piano Concerto No. 5 in E♭ major ("Emperor") Piano Concerto No. 6 in D major (unfinished) Triple Concerto for in C major Violin Concerto in D major Piano arrangement in D major (Opus 61a) Rondo for Piano in B♭ major Romance for Violin No. 1 in G major Romance for Violin No. 2 in F major Choral Fantasy for Piano in C minor ("Fantasia")
Orchestral works The Creatures of Prometheus Coriolan Fidelio overtures (Leonore No. 1, No.2, No. 3) Egmont Wellington's Victory ("Battle Symphony") The Ruins of Athens ("Die Ruinen von Athen") King Stephen ("König Stephan") Zur Namenfeier ("Feastday") Consecration of the House ("Die Weihe des Hauses")
Vocal music Choral Fantasy for Piano in C minor ("Fantasia") Christus am Ölberge ("Christ on the Mount of Olives") Mass in C major Meeresstille und glückliche Fahrt ("Calm Sea and Prosperous Voyage") Missa Solemnis in D major "Adelaide" An die ferne Geliebte ("To the distant beloved") Zärtliche Liebe ("Ich liebe dich so wie du mich") Twenty-Five Scottish Songs
Chamber music Sonatas Violin Sonata No. 1 in D major Violin Sonata No. 2 in A major Violin Sonata No. 3 in E♭ major Violin Sonata No. 4 in A minor Violin Sonata No. 5 in F major ("Spring") Violin Sonata No. 6 in A major Violin Sonata No. 7 in C minor Violin Sonata No. 8 in G major Violin Sonata No. 9 in A major ("Kreutzer") Violin Sonata No. 10 in G major ("The Cockcrow") Two Cello Sonatas, 1 and 2 Cello Sonata No. 1 in F major Cello Sonata No. 2 in G minor Cello Sonata No. 3 in A major Two Cello Sonatas, 4 and 5 Cello Sonata No. 4 in C major Cello Sonata No. 5 in D major Horn Sonata in F major Trios Three Piano Trios Piano Trio No. 1 in E♭ major Piano Trio No. 2 in G major Piano Trio No. 3 in C minor Piano Trio [No. 4](?) in B♭ major ("Gassenhauer") Two Piano Trios Piano Trio [No. 5](?) in D major ("Ghost") Piano Trio [No. 6](?) in E♭ major Piano Trio [No. 7](?) in B♭ major ("Archduke") Kakadu Variations for Piano Trio ("Ich bin der Schneider Kakadu") String Trio No. 2 in D major ("Serenade") String quartets Early Six String Quartets 1-6 String Quartet No. 1 in F major String Quartet No. 2 in G major String Quartet No. 3 in D major String Quartet No. 4 in C minor String Quartet No. 5 in A major String Quartet No. 6 in B♭ major Three String Quartets ("Rasumovsky") String Quartet No. 7 in F major String Quartet No. 8 in E minor String Quartet No. 9 in C major String Quartet No. 10 in E♭ major ("Harp") String Quartet No. 11 in F minor ("Serioso") String Quartet No. 12 in E♭ major String Quartet No. 13 in B♭ major String Quartet No. 14 in C♯ minor String Quartet No. 15 in A minor String Quartet No. 16 in F major Große Fuge in B♭ major Other String Quintet in C major String Quintet in C minor Fugue for String Quintet in D major Trio for Piano, Clarinet, and Cello in B♭ major ("Gassenhauer") Quintet for Piano and Winds in E♭ major Septet for Winds and Strings in E♭ major Octet for Winds in E♭ major
Piano music Sonatas Piano Sonata No. 1 in F minor Piano Sonata No. 2 in A major Piano Sonata No. 3 in C major Piano Sonata No. 4 in E♭ major ("Grand Sonata") Piano Sonata No. 5 in C minor Piano Sonata No. 6 in F major Piano Sonata No. 7 in D major Piano Sonata No. 8 in C minor ("Pathétique") Piano Sonata No. 9 in E major Piano Sonata No. 10 in G major Piano Sonata No. 11 in B♭ major Piano Sonata No. 12 in A♭ major ("Funeral March") Piano Sonata No. 13 in E♭ major Piano Sonata No. 14 in C♯ minor ("Moonlight") Piano Sonata No. 15 in D major ("Pastoral") Piano Sonata No. 16 in G major Piano Sonata No. 17 in D minor ("Tempest") Piano Sonata No. 18 in E♭ major ("The Hunt") Piano Sonata No. 19 in G minor Piano Sonata No. 20 in G major Piano Sonata No. 21 in C major ("Waldstein") Piano Sonata No. 22 in F major Piano Sonata No. 23 in F minor ("Appassionata") Piano Sonata No. 24 in F♯ major ("A Thérèse") Piano Sonata No. 25 in G major Piano Sonata No. 26 in E♭ major ("Les adieux/Das Lebewohl") Piano Sonata No. 27 in E minor Piano Sonata No. 28 in A major Piano Sonata No. 29 in B♭ major ("Hammerklavier") Piano Sonata No. 30 in E major Piano Sonata No. 31 in A♭ major Piano Sonata No. 32 in C minor Andante favori in F major ("Waldstein") Other Fifteen variations and a fugue in E♭ major ("Eroica Variations") Thirty-three variations on a waltz in C major ("Diabelli Variations") Thirty-two variations on a theme in C minor Seven Bagatelles Eleven new Bagatelles Six Bagatelles Bagatelle No. 25 in A minor ("Für Elise") Two Rondos Rondo à Capriccio in G major ("Rage over a lost penny")
Music List of compositions Musical style Works catalogs Gesamtausgabe Beethoven category
Biography Birthplace Biography Death Heiligenstadt Testament Contemporaries Mozart and Beethoven Historical sites
Family Johann (father) Kaspar (brother) Johanna (sister-in-law)
In movies Eroica (1949) Immortal Beloved (1994) Eroica (2003) Copying Beethoven (2006)