Talk archive 1.
You voiced your opinion in the original straw poll which has caused some confusion. Please do the same in a new version, Talk:Muhammad/Mediation#Suggestion_.28untainted.29, which should be clear and allow us to better assess consensus. gren グレン 22:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
You've been around the block a few times. Itaqallah and Aminz do this with every revert, they throw the baby out with the bath water. I will agree to be more conscientious with reverting you if you will with reverting me as well, OK? Now about that quote, you weren't quoting Watt on my talk. What is the full quote? Arrow740 05:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
No I wouldn't mind at all! Go right ahead.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 17:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Please sign if any of these things applies to your understanding of this issue. Please put you name under all of the options you think would be acceptable. You can sign all or none of these, I'm hoping this will give us a more-fine grained understanding of the issue. [1] futurebird 23:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
You might want to update your userpage. Arrow740 01:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Nice!! --Aminz 02:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I completely agree with you. --Aminz 04:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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Hello, WP:NPOV#Undue_weight says that users shoudln't give undue wieght to minority views. Let's say we have an article that is 10 paragraphs long. While 5 paragraphs are devoted to a majority perspective, and 5 are devoted to a minority perpective. This is clearly a violation of WP:NPOV#Undue_weight. But should it be solved?
One solution is clearly that we can add majority views, so that the majority receives due prominence in the article. But let's say that users are unable to find more material on what the majorioty believes. Should we then begin to remove the minority perspective, although it is sourced to Reliable Sources? Bless sins 17:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey Bless sins, regarding this, I would love to hear your view on the matter. It's hard to discuss at Talk:Muhammad and Talk:Muhammad/Mediation because some users on both sides have become somewhat belligerent, myself (maybe) included :O. Anyways, get back to me when you have a chance. Thanks, --Hojimachongtalk 22:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
<the award below has been copied to the main page>
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar | ||
For being nice and not screaming, like so many other editors do. And you're long overdue. Hojimachongtalk 20:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC) |
PS: your template idea looks pretty solid, if I am understanding it right. Would that be the image description page, or the top of the Muhammad page, or a section further down in the Muhammad page? --Hojimachongtalk 20:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Please lets not fill every sentence on Ali Sina with Claimed and Alleged. Its messy as Sefringle pointed out and its pretty clear without it - all references are given, so there's no need of "Alleged" and "Claims". There's no need of that stuff - it just makes things hard to read. --Matt57 00:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
<R> - Oh ok, so it was that statement, I thought you were refering the blanket statement Ali made. I see you removed them now. Since its according to policy so I guess it cannot be contested.--Matt57 18:43, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Trying to get your attention towards the Faith Freedom page. My eidts are being deleted for no reason. I have made some comments regarding the article and its presentation. which violates many of the Wiki rules.
would you like to discuss. I am not against deleting the article or anything. Rather i am for putting the article in its right perspective. for example.1) the article alleges that it has 20,000,000 visitors. I agree however i state that it has only 1200 members who write ever wrote on its fourmns. I state that all the stuff on the website is read around only 10,000 times out of the 20,000,000 visitors it had. all this has been referenced by me (site meter is the ref:)Aditionally each visitor spends 5 minutes or less on the entire site and less than 5 seonds on each page.
Then there are violations of references. No outside references are given. If given they are reports of Ali sina himself. How can that be credible when speaking about his own self. Z2qc1
I moved the discussion/template on my talkpage to User:Hojimachong/Muhammad Image Template, and placed a link in the section on my talk page. Is this OK? --Hojimachongtalk 03:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
>>The most scholarly image below will be put at the top of the page.
If there is no reliable humanoid image avaialbe then only one or two calligraphic images are enough.
>>The image here, or atleast a link to the image. A brief background history.
Image's Creator name should also be there, as "WHO" drew the image. If picture is really draw by a notable artist then why is his name not there?
>>Other reason
Other reason should Include, What are the compatible features of the image that represent the article's description.
Is the poroposed compatible the physical description of Muhammad which has higher notability and credibility than the image srouce?
Any place where this picture is associated to Muhammad in mainstream?
Is the image more notable than the cartoon images of Jylland Posten and Bahomet?
VirtualEye 05:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Meaning:
Is the image more notable than the cartoon images of Jylland Posten and Bahomet?
This means, if some biased editors want to dictate the pictures on the basis of notability then better put those cartoon or Jylland posten images, so that a reader can run away after coming to know what stupidity wikipeida has. The cartoon or Bahomen image will tell all the story how reliable is wikipedia, instead of deceiving the readers by not putting the cartoon/bahomet image and giving the wrong information to the reader at the same time. It is better to make the reader aware from the start how biased wikipedia article is about Muhammad. (SAW)VirtualEye 18:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
It does not seem to me that Vaglieri meant to agree that the situation with the Banu Nadir "[left] him no choice but to attack Khaybar."Proabivouac 01:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Maybe a new page called something like
It is being blocked from being merged into Al-Aqsa Intifada. This page has a lesser amount of related material:
But it does not have the room for much more material. And it does not seem like a good place to put the info. The material is about human rights in the Palestinian territories, not Israel itself.
The disappearing info is found here:
I recommend copying the wiki code before it disappears too. When I have time I may keep converting the links to reference links there. That way the relevant sourced info can be copied to the appropriate wikipedia pages. Feel free to copy any of the info to other pages. --Timeshifter 00:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Talk:Jerusalem in Islam —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stevertigo (talk • contribs) 08:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
ASA. Desperate help needed on islamophobic article Ramadan riots which is actually the same thing as French riots. Claims that the french unrest in the ghetoes was motivated by hatred of jews and christians as allegedly commanded by the quran, as opposed to alienation of arab and african kids. Support speedy deletion. Aaliyah Stevens 00:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your gentle advice on AFD over the ramadan riots article Aaliyah Stevens 17:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Material counts as original research if it introduces an argument without citing a reliable source who has made that argument in relation to the topic of the article. You have to abide by policy, you really, really do. Jayjg (talk) 23:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Feel free to remove them; I won't be upset. I'm only trying to get your attention. Jayjg (talk) 23:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
You keep talking about "sourced statements", as if that's meaningful, but ignoring the fact that they violate WP:NOR. You really have to follow policy, not just keep repeating "sourced statements". Jayjg (talk) 23:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
No, I never said any such thing; I said that there are some sources relate it to antisemitism. If you want to bring other sources that say its not antisemitism, that's fine, but you can't bring any old sources you want that discuss the verses just because the topic has been raised. You have to bring sources that discuss the verses in relation to antisemitism. That's what WP:NOR says. Jayjg (talk) 23:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. -- Avi 04:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey Bless sins,
I'll look into the article you mentioned soon. Cheers, --Aminz 21:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you recently edited Militant Islam. I have put it up for deletion. Please contribute to the afd discussion. Thanks.--Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 23:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Salam aleikum,
I have seen your call foe help on the WP:BLP talk page. I want to remind you that everybody is entitled to help make guidelines and policy. If you have a suggestion of what should be in them please explain your idea on the talk page and it may will gain consensus among other wikipedians. Take care AlfPhotoman 00:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Bless sins, per your request, I have copied this to your talk page. Are you saying that you are not in any way connected to the person who posted as User:216.99.52.133?Proabivouac 03:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
To state that the ADL is not (in the words of WP:ATT) “ authoritative in relation to the subject at hand,” which is antisemitism and anti-semitic people, is somewhat bizzare. Perhaps you do not know of the Anti Defamation League, seeing as you are from Canada. I will assume good faith and refuse to believe your statement has anything to do with trying to whitewash certain people. Also, I'd like to remind you about WP:3RR, especially as regards the Al-Sudais article. Thank you. -- Avi 02:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to blank out (or delete portions of) page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did to Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais, you will be blocked from editing. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC) (please stop blanking)
Please respond on Talk:Ilan Halimi before you revert categories that are eminently applicable and supported by the text itself. -- Avi 16:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Talk:Jerusalem in Islam -Stevertigo 22:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I am looking for a new name for the Category:Documentaries critical of Islam. I thought you might be interested in helping me out with finding an appropriate name. Most of the films (which I have seen) do not say that the recorded footage represents the religion of Islam. It is more about Islamic culture that exists among some Muslims, not all Muslims. You may want to see the beginning of Obsession, where in the first minute it makes a point to say what the movie is about. Please let me know. Thanks. --Shamir1 21:40, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Work with me, honestly, and we'll get somewhere. Otherwise, it will be impossible to edit. I really take policy seriously. It's a great offer. Jayjg (talk) 06:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
You have to agree to WP:NOR, you really do. All sources have to refer back to the original topic. You can't claim that once someone has made a claim, you can bring anything you want to refute it. You know this. Otherwise WP:NOR would be meaningless. Please stop playing around. We can take out the other junk sources too, but I need to see some good faith on your part fisrt. Also, you know you had no idea who Craig Smith was until today, but you defended him anyway. Just admit it and move on, it's no big deal. Jayjg (talk) 06:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
You can't just say you support WP:NOR, you have to support it even when you really want to insert some, as with the Islam and antisemitism stuff. Even if you think it's really important to "refute such a silly claim". There are much better ways of dealing with this that don't violate policy, and I can teach them to you, but you have to honestly agree to follow WP:NOR first, even if you don't like the results. First agree that you cannot insert material that doesn't relate to antisemitism as well, because it it WP:NOR. Even if you find it silly, or offensive, or you really feel a need to "refute such a silly claim". Then I'll show you how to deal with the rest. Jayjg (talk) 06:17, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
First agree that your response was to try to refute the arguments with WP:NOR because you found it ridiculous and offensive. Then I'll tell you how to deal with it. Jayjg (talk) 06:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
To answer your question on 06:28, 25 March 2007: No, WP:NOR is neither ridiculous nor offensive, and infact works extremely well 99.99% of the time. However, all wiki policies must be used in conjunction with common sense and reason. When I interpreted the "in relation to the topic..." clause, I didn't choose the most obvious interpretation, but rather the one that made the most sense. You see, I'm not "ruthless" about policies, and am willing to consider the other user's perspective, to work out a compromise that will build concensus.Bless sins 16:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
'Sockpuppet' is a term used on wikipedia for masquerading. Maybe there is a definition here: [WP:Sockpuppet]. It's like dividing your personality. Maybe run the term through www.dictionary.com or think of the example of a person doing a voice impression of George Bush or Al Gore with their hand imitating the action of a mouth talking.DavidYork71 06:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I see JayJG has been leaving messages on your page, with his false concern about the rules and supposed reasonableness. In reality, JayJG is a rabid Zionist and is trying to purge Wikipedia of any negative information about Zionism, and is trying to paint Muslims in a bad light. Along with many of his cohorts.
The problem is that JayJG is part of the Wikipedia cabal. When there were elections, despite massive efforts to the contrary, a number of people got a higher vote percentage than JayJG - but Jimbo Wales put him on ArbCom anyhow. Jimbo has shown his true colors as well.
These people control Wikipedia. They are all together, and attacking you. No one is coming to your aid. This is because they control Wikipedia, with Jimbo at the center, and have more or less driven off everyone else. You are banging your head against a wall here - any massacre by Zionists against Palestinians will be covered up, distorted, justified etc., anyone who attacks an Israeli soldier will be castigated here.
My suggestion is to direct your efforts to somewhere more creative, like a wiki encyclopedia that is not pro-Zionist and anti-Muslim like this one. Or if you do continue here for a little bit, to spend less time. It is better to waste 5 hours of time accomplishing nothing than 10. Eventually you will give up here, everyone does. You are fighting a losing battle. Ruy Lopez 04:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Seems that most comments (including those by WAS, Alf, Slim, etc.) agree that the sources do not need to be bowdlerized, even if they "give you the shivers" as Alf says. I think the best thing that you could do for the article would be to bring some suitable sources about the good that Sudais does. FOr example, I've asked on the talk page that the part about his renditions of the Qur'an be sourced; they have been tagged since February. That is obviously a good thing that Sudais does. I'm sure there is much more that can be expanded about his work in the university and the mosques. He preaches about many things besides Jews, I hope, and his calls for charity and the like should be represented. Also, there still is little to no mention of his family. -- Avi 04:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I need your point of view about this article. I think they only took the apes part but they hide other verse of the Quran and I also think that its should be delete. How about you? should it be delete? or ..?--Towaru 20:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Bless sins, a complaint has been filed on WP:ANI regarding your associate, User:216.99.60.104/206…/216…. I should like to think that you don't approve of this user's behavior, and would deeply appreciate your help in putting a stop to it.Proabivouac 02:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I've requested mediation proceedings here [8] concerning the "sex with female captives" dispute and listed you as a party. Would you be willing to join the discussion? Many thanks for considering this, and for all your good work on the article. BYT 08:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Please see: WP:ANI#Admin Humus sapiens and his personal attacks, insinuations, and defamations.
Feel free to comment there. Your user name was mentioned in the report. --Timeshifter 22:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
How is the quote not relevant? Mohammed in the hadith said that Muslims will get 72 virgins. Please discuss on the talk page before removing content like this. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 18:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey, your quality of edits are much improved. Wow! --Aminz 20:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
WP:EL - links are determined by relevance. Notability is not an issue. I undid your edit here. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 23:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I agree with your proposal to remove the (silly) article called the Islamic "Emirate(???)" of Afghanistan. I have tried editing the "Emirate" Of Waziristan as well as the Afghan one, but either way I think they are throw away. Are you familiar with how the article-removal process is started?Mehrshad123 06:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I decided to keep the material you added origionally, but decided to make some changes to NPOV it somewhat, as most of your changes are one sided. I'd appreciate it if you can use the talk page to explain your edits before you make major reverts in the future.--Sefringle 02:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Please do not delete content from articles on Wikipedia, as you did to Ahmed Yassin. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use Wikipedia:Sandbox for test edits. Thank you. -- Avi 21:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Please do not add commentary, your own personal analysis, or make any non-neutral point-of-view deletions to the content or categories of Wikipedia articles, as you did to Ahmed Yassin. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. -- Avi 22:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Removing Category:Islam and antisemitism from articles where it belongs is POV-based vandalism. -- Avi 21:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Read the article; it is documented. -- Avi 03:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Section 2. -- Avi 03:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Please read the article again, carefully. -- Avi 19:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
In the future, why don't you refrain from mischaracterizing POV-style edits as legitimate, and then we would not be having this conversation . Also, please educate yourself on the wikipedian meaning of vandalism. If it makes you feel better, I will substitue ((uw-npov2)) for ((uw-delete2)) -- Avi 19:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
It depends on the content. Sometimes it should be deleted (BLP issues, for example) Othertimes an attempt should be made at finding sources. Regardless, this is sourced now. -- Avi 20:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Please don't abuse the inuse tag to simply revert to your previous edits, as you have done many times before. Thanks. Jayjg (talk) 01:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I haven't made major edits, I've mostly just undone your POVing. No doubt I'll have to do so again, until you finally get some consensus. Jayjg (talk) 01:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Can you please explain your recent edits to Islam and antisemitism on its talk page? I think it would be better to discuss the changes rather than revert war over them.--Sefringle 01:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Bless sins, regarding your inquiries on Talk:Battle of Khaybar, I don't wish to approach you with mistrust. However, there have been debates in the past surrounding the representation of sources, and it can save everyone a lot of time and frustration if you share the relevant passages in full. You have my assurance that if something is topical and comes from a respected academic source, I will support its inclusion.Proabivouac 18:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Islam and antisemitism, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.
--Aminz 06:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello friend. Who is "Ali" that is referenced in the Jizya article? There needs to be at least one full citation and it appears that you're the user who added the partial citations to this author. If that's the case, can you please fix this as soon as you can? I'd like to use the citation in the Arab Christians article. All the best. Slacker 13:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Bless sins, if you've finished making your edits on Battle of Khaybar, you should remove the ((inuse)) tag to allow for others to edit, even if they are unfortunate blanket reverts. just informing you if you forgot to remove the tag or something. ITAQALLAH 23:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)