April 6 - May 8, 2005
If you'd be so kind as to leave your signature somewhere on Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion#Straw poll: are our current deletion tools working well enough? and, if you really feel like wasting time, going over Wikipedia:Countdown deletion, I'd be grateful. (The former is actually more important than the latter, though.)
The reason I'm asking you (and only you, incidentally) is twofold. First, you are as proud a member of the ADW as I am of the AIW. I need the opinions of deletionists especially, because at present it looks like people hold my proposal to be another nefarious inclusionist plot to make matters worse. It's not intended as one, but if it's seen as one, I'd like to know what the problem is and how to fix it.
Second, you're a careful thinker who expresses his thoughts clearly. I'm sure Wikipedia has lots of them, but I'm not personally acquainted with many. I could use your input. JRM 00:49, 2005 Apr 4 (UTC)
Hi, please use extra caution when speedy deleting pages, and remember to check page history. Beware of anons with agendas. -- Curps 17:53, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It's about Power violence? Sheesh. That article requires citations before it's beyond VfD range, folks. I, personally, am dead set against separate articles for every single micro-genre and, essentially, a listing of one's favorite bands therein. Genres should not get articles unless they are so well known and commonly used as terms that people will know and need an explanation of the term without associating it with its overarching genre. I.e. people need to have heard "Slo-core" so often that they won't know to look in "No Depression" for it or "Country Music." For a micro-genre, one needs to demonstratate that this isn't a neologism, that it is in use, and that it covers a substantially broad group of artworks that are not overlapping with other generic terms. If Power violence meets all that, cool. Otherwise, it really should be on Votes for Deletion, and, when Google doesn't turn up any usage at all, it can well be on Speedy Deletion. Geogre 22:11, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
And, of course, you should never have protected the page yourself. Page protection of an article by one of the sides in an edit war is out of bounds. Someone else should have done the protecting. It appears that there have been a few people to do the reversion, so one of them might have been good, since you did the ban on the IP user. As for my comment, it was about VfD. I think the article would be perfect for VfD, as, without citation or verification that this term is in use by anything other than home pages as a term for a type of music, it looks altogether like a hoax. (I have repeated the Google search, this time with "power violence"+music, and I did get hits to the babbling brook that is rock journalism, so I believe that there are people using the term. The question of why I had to repeat a search in the first place is open. It might be my shoddy skills, but it is undoubtedly an article that offers no verification or citation. Read wikipedia:cite your sources for why that's important.) Further, I think it should be listed on VfD (once the protection is off) for consideration on significance. Indeed, I almost think you would be interested in having the matter settled that way. As I also said, I really don't care. I don't think that Wikipedia is the place for anyone to ride hobbyhorses, though, and I loathe seeing people so passionate about their personal record collections that they think it's important to multiply articles on their favorite subject, so this is the type of article that I have great antipathy toward (along with all the minutia from anime, science fiction TV, etc.). In other words, I think the article's author was derelict in the extreme by writing an article with no verification, a very narrow subject, and no context, and I don't think the article's subject matter needs coverage, but I'm not interested in prosecuting it. Therefore, you have no need to worry about what I'm going to do. You also don't need to try to wrest a confession that I was "fooled" or didn't look at the article history. I'm happy to admit that I made a mistake in the speedy, and my comment above was about the article's general worth. I'm not sure what agenda the people who've been slapping delete on the page have, though. Hatred of the topic seems as senseless to me as devotion to it. I still think that might be good to get someone else to issue the page protections and to do the page watching, as I fear that you may be too irritated to have objectivity. Maybe not. Geogre 02:38, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sure. I don't want animosity with anyone, and I meant to criticize the author. After checking the edit history, I knew that wasn't you. Anyway, I thought that you did block the guy. I was looking in the block log earlier today, because I had to block someone (who was using one of those damned NTL IP's, so I couldn't block for more than :15), and I thought I saw that you had slapped this particular guy. Oh well. He certainly has earned it, but I gather that it's a dynamic IP. It looks like 3 different IP's have attempted the speedy delete trick on that article. (Why?) Like I said, I don't like the article, but I had figured that you might VfD it to get a definitive "go away and stop bothering us" to go on the article's talk page so that people don't fall for it again. (I don't always check histories, but I do always see if there is a talk page live with an article, because that will live on after a speedy anyway.) Unsurprisingly, I guess (if you've seen my main page), I'm generally with your opinion on prosecuting junk articles. I no longer pay much attention to them, except when doing New Pages patrol and sometimes clearing CSD (which was my mistake this time). I concentrate on writing the kinds of articles I want to read, instead, and let younger and more energetic folks fight the battles. I've retired to my tent. Geogre 03:39, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I was absolutely sure I'd seen blatant self-promotion speedied in the past. I tried double-checking on WP:SD but I think that that page needs a re-write (it says see WP:DP for deletion policy, but that says that for SD criteria you need to look at what's listed on SD... I noticed something similar with WP:AD - there it recommends that in cases of accuracy dispute, you should call for peer review, but WP:PR says that peer review is only for articles close to featured article status!). I will certainly VfD Mr. Harvey instead then. VivaEmilyDavies 02:43, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hey, I just e-mailed you a couple of photos of spring flowers (the early ones are just coming out), and then realized I should maybe have resized them first, they were fresh out of the little old digital camera, meaning they were about half a MB each, two together in the same message. If you think they'll explode your dialup, avoid downloading 'em and I'll send you more manageable versions tomorrow. --Bishonen|Talk 23:58, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
In November 2003, there was a VfD debate over Sunset High School (Portland). The debate was archived under Talk:Sunset High School (Portland). What to do with the article is still being contested and has been recently re-nominated for VfD at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Sunset High School (Portland).
I am writing to you because you have participated in such debates before. There still does not exist a wikipedia policy (as far as i can tell) over what to do in regards to articles about specific U.S. public school. My hope is that a real consensus can come out of the debate, and a real policy can take shape. Take part if you are so willing. Kingturtle 02:21, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
new stuff's added in Chen Deming, although still a stub, more will be added later. No need to delete. Colipon+(T) 05:02, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Salve, Geogre!
We haven't communicated in a while and I hope this message find you well. Lately I've not fared well with my FAC nominees, some failing to win even one support vote. I wonder if you would look at Katie Holmes (even if it is a bit out of your usual ambit) and its nominationhere and offer your comments. PedanticallySpeaking 15:54, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
Can we talk about that list you copied onto Robert? I just don't see the reference value of lists of people named "Robert"? ---Isaac R 21:05, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
My mistake. I misread the change list. Real culprit is Marksie531. ---Isaac R 23:39, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Why did you speedily delete Mary Ramsey? In your comment, you said that it lacked a subject to the sentence, but you could have easily added it. Just by looking at the pages it linked to, I made the article into a stub. I think a stub is better than nothing. LDan 02:43, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
How about getting offline already so a person has a chance to phone? Or onto IRC?--Bishonen | talk 21:10, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Is this in reference to how I responded to Everyking's vote? JRM · Talk 23:37, 2005 May 1 (UTC)
I've answered you on my talk page, in order to keep the discussion in one piece. JRM · Talk 07:46, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
Pesumably Pound used long hall flights? I'll see what, if anything, I can dig up. Thanks for catching the typos and for prodding me to get a little NPOV about late Victorian versifiers; with the sole exception of Yeats, poetry in English had all but died. I'll leave it on PR for now.
Nice to see Bish marching on to glory on RfA. What will she do with these strange new powers? I wish I had been as rude as you were to the objector, but I'm trying to be nice to people after last week's accusation of rudeness from someone whose idea I praised! Filiocht | Blarneyman 15:16, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Geogre, Erin here. We haven't come accross each other in editing, but I saw something you wrote on user Bishonen's page, which has brought me here. I'm trying to find out if there is a wikipedian out there who may actually agree that what I'm trying to achieve is a good thing. Basically, I dislike the fact that every time I click "Random page" I come up with "Random @x!*". If you look at featured articles you will note that they are very, very big! I think they should be the standard that all articles aim to emulate. I know many won't ever, and still deserve to be here. My aim is, to find little articles that have a main unifying topic I.e albums by band X. At the moment, every single album has it's own article. If a band only came out with 5 albums, and there isn't much to say on the band, why can't all the information be on the one article under the name of the band? It can always be broken up at a later date if it becomes too large. But that means for now, there is one good, informative, organised, good sized article instead of 5 stubs. And all the individual articles can just be redirected there, so the information is never lost, and is easily un-done. Anyway, I won't say more for now, this is getting long. Please see this article I've worked on my version compared to it's original state: Mark Garcia version, which it's just been reverted back to. I'm having trouble convincing the original editor to reason with me. Note the talk page. Anyway, sorry if I've troubled you. I would really appreciate your view, even if it's to disagre with me. --Silversmith 16:50, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
"All seems infected that the infected spy As all seems yellow to the jaundiced eye."
Nice! I wished I had paid more attention to poetry when young it would be such an asset now in my advanced and declining years Giano | talk 22:08, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I didn't want to sign it, figuring that I was sick of shoving peanuts between the bars of his cage and thereby giving him yet another excuse to fling offal, but when he accused Giano of not showing wikilove, of all things, I simply couldn't resist quoting two of my favorite lines from Essay on Criticism. That guy had a way with words that few have had before or since. Geogre 02:12, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi Geogre: Please could you explain how you knew the basis of the two oppose votes that you received if the voters refused to explain. Enquiring minds need to know ... --Theo (Talk) 14:55, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I saw you "speedy" deleted my article Kennedy Fried Chicken with no explanation but "Wow, what trivia! Non-encyclopedic, as it is no more than a statement of a negative." As far as I can tell, that's not a reason for deletion according to the "speedy" delete criteria, so I've rewritten the article and put it back up.
Who are you to judge what is and isn't "trivia," anyhow? You've obviously never lived in NYC, or at least not lived here long enough to have heard of Kennedy Fried Chicken. The existence of the chain, and its relationship to the "real" KFC, is certainly more significant than a lot of the other trivia on this website. Maybe if you're so confident it's "trivia" you wouldn't mind putting it to a vote next time? You know, as outlined in those pesky RULES.
On an unrelated note, both the articles I wrote today disappeared with NO explanation other than "NONSENSE," which is rather insulting (and a lie--it's not like I was writing gibberish). You better hope your condescending attitude doesn't drive away other potential Wikipedians.