Hi, this page is a guestbook and a place for messages that aren't completely related to Wikipedia business (WP is SRS Biznss). If you want to add something to my userpage (be it a barnstar or a message of hatred, which can be accomplished without personal attacks), feel free to add it to this instead. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:47, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~), begin mucking about below this line:
You changed my update on the Waldensians erasing what I had added. Before undoing your changes, I am writing to ask on what grounds you are altering my edit? The brief paragraph is accurate. Should this not be included in the history, as the events are accurate and historical. A quick search of Mormon Waldensians provides dozens of scholarly papers that have been written on the Mormon Waldensians.
Thanks kindly
Vayapues2 (talk) 22:20, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thank you for the feedback. I am not sure I am replying correctly to your message, but I don't know how else to write you...
There is a great deal of scholarly evidence, including actual journals from the original Waldensians who left Italy between 1850 nd 1853. The Utah Historical Society also has actual clothing articles, a bonnet of one of the little girls who traveled here, and so forth. In 2004 a representative from the Waldensian Churches in the Piedmont Valleys traveled to Utah, and met with a large group of us here. This event was hosted and funded by The University of Utah. We have census data, from the era and church records showing the 180 were converted, and the 70 who traveled to Utah. I have found a number of articles from the University of Utah, the Utah Historical Society, and as I said, actual journals from the Waldensians themselves. I myself am a Waldensian Mormon. Members of my family have traveled back to Italy, and visited the home where our family lived. They have located our family names in local records, and verified our family line as far back as the 1500s.
How best should this all be cited in the article?
Vayapues2 (talk) 15:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Please, stop editing my post. I am writing about the leader Marcus Vlahovic, who you can easily find all over the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.58.71 (talk • contribs)
Sorry, noone appears to care about Marcus except you, and he doesn't actually show up on a google search. Try bringing in a reliable source that demonstrates notability or go away. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:24, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi Ian! I found you through your Macbeth edits; your discussion page is great. I looked for your presence online, but this is the only site I found, so I'm "friending" you here. :) If you're in Second Life, I am Deanya Zenfold there. I agree with you about too many things to name, and I thought you'd be a good person to know. :)
Deanya Lattimore (talk) 13:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I hope you enjoy editting here. Sorry, but I'm not on Second Life. Aside from using the net to contact real life friends, Wikipedia is pretty much my main presence on the internet. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Thats cool, you have a grafitti page! Thats awesome, great thinking, although some people don't care, but anyway, since I read the guidelines and everything, please delete my page Annihilation Technical Trampoline Wrestling, thanks. Forneverandafter3 (talk) 00:29, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Appologies for Cthulhu edits, I can go and fix them if you wish. I have reasons but... I dont want to disclose them. Again im really really sorry. 99.122.114.140 (talk) 23:49, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello. I added info on the 1st and 2nd chapter of the Book of Acts from the Bible to "Acts of the Apostles" - it was removed extremely fast. I just wanted to ask you: why?
Because, as I said on your talk page, Wikipedia is not a place for sermons. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
I actually typed nearly verbatim what the Bible reads. That is quoting, not a sermon, similar to what the page "Acts of the Apostles" does. I just included the 2 chapters that are missing. I stuck to the contractual binding of citing written sources.
I actually was raised in a family with a similar background and have many friends from a similar background - so I'm very aware of why you felt a strong desire to remove it. On this platform, it would be considered religious bias/rivalry and discrimination considering I stuck solely to quotations of historical writings. I'm choosing to remain professional in my inquiries and attempts to benefit Wikipedia with more factual information on a subject - nothing more, and nothing less. I'll say again, I know the real reason why you removed it, and as such I challenge you to be courteous enough to let it stand as a factual addition being I added nothing to nor took anything away from the literature. It would be noble and honourable of you to do so, Ian. I thank you for your time. Blessings— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryan_SA (talk • contribs)
You wrote "The purpose of Acts is expounding on the salvation we have in JESUS, which name means God our Savior in Hebrew. He is One, not two or three and there is no other God beside Him, and no other Savior like Him." That's preaching. That's not encyclopedic at all. As I've explained on your user page, "Truth" is not the standard here, verifiability is. Consider how a non-Christian would feel reading what you added. Or imagine if someone wrote about Buddha or Krishna that way. Don't you see how it feels preachy?
OK, I did not see that part. I apologize for making assumptions based on usual expectations. From what I read I thought for verification of evidence and fact that someone would want to cite primary sources, similar to an original dollar bill rather than a counterfeit. Those instructions were a little confusing for me. Nevertheless, as Acts 1:8 is quoted, but hardly getting to the core requirement of salvation - which is what the Acts of the Apostles is all about - would you not agree that it would be very beneficial to include more of Acts 1 and 2 in that post? I know Apostolic Pentecostals seem to be the only ones who want to read that part of the Bible, let alone discuss it, but we (as in humanity in general, not targeting anyone) shouldn't be picking and choosing what to share and what not to share when it comes to facts.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryan_SA (talk • contribs)
Please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). And again, we don't push any ideology. The Bible (containing philosophical and spiritual truths) is not verifiable or empirical, so we don't write from the assumption that it is true any more than we allow Muslims to write from the assumption that the Quran is true, or Hindus to write from the assumption that the Vedas are true, etc, etc. For notable doctrinal interpretations of particular parts of the Bible, academic secondary sources discussing historical interpretations are cited.
To draw on the dollar bill comparison, we only allow published works on numismatism, crime, and maybe art criticism (for very interesting currency) to be cited on discussions on dollar bill, and note whether governments accept the bill as legal tender, but we do not decide for for the readers whether or not the bill is authentic.
If it's not something that most reasonable people would agree on, it doesn't get on here. There are adherents to various worldviews who are all quite reasonable, and so we don't write from the assumption that any particular religion (or lack thereof) is true. We let the reader decide. And if Christianity is true, we don't need to shove our light down people's throats any more than we need to hide it under a bushel. Ian.thomson (talk) 04:15, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, don't know if I'm writing this in the right place, but I reviewed your account thoroughly and I just wanted to say I understand why you removed what I said, it was my own fault for not putting the source in, and as an atheist, I can respect you in the way in which you are devoted to keeping an unbiased opinion on matters and editing said matters unbiasedly. ~~~~Graffels
The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For incredibly fast response and anti-vandalism editing! - BMcCJ (talk) 00:27, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Awesome work! - BMcCJ (talk) 00:27, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Nice change
...to find an avowed Christian with a tolerance of the more outre beliefs. (Having said that, the only editor here that I know outside is also a Christian and from a rather fundamental background - which she manages to overcome. And the only church minister I currently know has been trying to get the local pagans into the Council of Churches. Trouble is, there seems to be two groups which won't speak to each other...) I keep out of Christian theology, but do get involved in notability and alleged fraud cases (Bishop Ralph for example). I'd suggest that we leave the Satanists to stew a bit (or should that be roast?). We won't get through, and they'll be ignored by the closing admin (99% sure). We've established our credentials, and we don't want to overdo it. There's a policy about it somewhere. They may even find a reference. (Oh, look - there goes another pig over the roof...) Peridon (talk) 23:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
For being a welcoming Wikipedian...
The Original Barnstar
I couldn't find a barn star specifically for those that welcome new users, so I'm afraid you get this rather dull barn star instead. Welcoming new users is good. Be good. bodnotbod (talk) 10:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
vandalising page
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Well, as long as feces isn't involved. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Stop warning me about the biblical correction that I made against Wikipedia's own assuming about Abaddon and Apollyon.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.19.82 (talk • contribs)
Quit pushing your personal interpretation, and find some sources to cite. Also, I only warned you the first time, and explained how you can put the stuff you want into the article (cite some sources, don't engage in exegesis). Ian.thomson (talk) 14:16, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Quit getting your peanut butter in my chocolate!129.139.1.69 (talk) 20:40, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry
to hear about the bustup. Dougweller (talk) 15:19, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate the support. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:20, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Qualifications
What are your qualifications? BrigKlyce (talk) 18:31, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm not spamming my website, I'm going along with the guidelines, those are my qualifications. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:17, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
(I'm not spamming either.) To suggest that Richard Hoover is not a credible source is to reveal your ignorance. May I ask you to take issue with the content of the reference, and not with my architecture degree? Are you even capable of that level of thought? BrigKlyce (talk) 21:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
That you are repeatedly inserting a link to your blog, which does not meet the sourcing guidelines, even if it wasn't your personal website. Neither Hoover nor you meet this site's guidelines for notability, and the work is not peer-reviewed. What part of that do you not understand? Have you considered that noone supporting you might be an indication that your site does not meet this site's own guidelines? That I'm not just making this up? That YOU are in the wrong here? Ian.thomson (talk) 21:43, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Wazzup
Hey there. Per your userpage I thought I'd give you a "Wazzup". Thanks for the anti-vandalism work and your recent edit to Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry. That article is on my watchlist and it is a bit of a mess, but I just don't know exactly what to do about it. BurtAlert (talk) 21:58, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping an eye on it. It's not on my watchlist, I've just been reading it in my adolescent lit course (er, I was supposed to be reading it in my adolescent lit course). Ian.thomson (talk) 22:13, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Yo I actually went and made an account just to say wazzup because you seem like an interesting human and I'm sorry of I accidentally screwed something up. Carry on. K Four O. (talk) 04:38, 27 July 2014 (UTC)Karely Corona [K Four O. ]
Yet another barnstar
The Barnstar of Diligence
Nice work sorting through those edits on the Abraham article. Have a barnstar! Yunshui (talk) 07:58, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
I want to thank you for providing great insight and ideas for the layout structure on Curse of Ham. Your input was very valuable. Jasonasosa (talk) 23:03, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
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Now; my own vandalism: wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki wiki. Please stop messing up my userpage by redirecting it to Special:Random. If you continue, you will be blocked from feces at Wikipedia. 71.146.20.62 (talk) 05:25, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
A barnstar for you
The Modest Barnstar
You are among the top 5% of most active Wikipedians this past month! 66.87.2.110 (talk) 18:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Friends
The Friendship Barnstar
This nifty little barnstar box happened my way, and I thought of you. You are a great wikipedia editor and I have always appreciated your no bullshit methods. — Jason Sosa 14:12, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't this
here go on your MeVsXians page, or are you tired of updating that? KillerChihuahua?!? 18:10, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
I really update it in increments instead of "as more incidences come along," and I since my reasoning was based on scripture as much as NPOV, I could argue that I was pushing a Christian NPOV. Still, I do put stuff there that goes against my Christianity, but is unfortunately central to some others' beliefs, so I'll try to remember to include it when I do update. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:31, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Your hard work is much appreciated! Thank you Jim1138 (talk) 03:21, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.
Lixxx235 has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.
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You really shouldn't be thanking my creations of userboxes- I had Userboxitiss B, and being thanked for creating more just bumped me up to Userboxitis C ;). Thanks, Lixxx235Got a complaint? 15:14, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
*eats cookie while grilling trout* Ian.thomson (talk) 15:22, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
A certificate i.e. 'owed'. I hope this give you the understanding of who you are... Angelos|Angelus (talk) 22:31, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Hellllloooo
Hello. By the way you stated that to AdamDeanHall, it had looked like you were helping me? If you look at what has happened, he has been singling me out for some reason? All I was doing was correctly adding listings to a Wikipedia page and I was getting ridiculed :/ I know Wikipedia is a open, user sponsored online resource but it seems some people think its a personal website that they think they own and change whatever they deem "wrong" in their personal agenda. If you stuck up for me, thank you...if not, well...— Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkseid_77 (talk • contribs)
Responded on talk page. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:57, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Ok ok. I admit I might have been in the wrong but its very old seeing my additions removed by other users. Is it too much to ask for some people to actually look up the information in question to check validity BEFORE removing?? I've only been adding correct information hence my "wth" response when I see it was removed or deleted.
I actually WATCH the television channel and KNOW it was on from starting air date to the series end airing.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkseid_77 (talk • contribs)
a little help
I'm trying to add a listing but I do not know how to attach a reference link so the listing won't be removed by another user— Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkseid_77 (talk • contribs)
A barnstar for you!
The Barnstar of Diligence
Firstly, for exposing that IP at ANI as a block-evader. Good work detective, and thanks for making my job so easy.
Secondly, for pissing off a famous musician to the extent that he called you out, by name, on Twitter. That's nothing short of impressive, and I commend you for it. Keep up the great work, Ian. Best regards. SwarmX 05:05, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
My highest appreciation and many thanks for your detective shrewdness and the attention to detail, which was needed. and also my thanks to Swarm.—Samudrakula (talk) 11:00, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
In fairness, I used Google translate for most of the work (retranslating to double check), and only used what remains of my Spanish studies to make sure it "looked right." Ian.thomson (talk) 01:22, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
ANI report
Hi, just on my way out. Would you have the time to file the ANI report the user is even asking for?[1]. I'm getting a bit tired of all these repeated personal attacks [2], [3] which continue after the final warning I left [4]. The user is clearly WP:NOTHERE and this will go on forever. We're well past the point where there's even any attempt to improve the article. I would do it myself, and will comment if you start it, but already late and I just never manage to write short ANI reports. ;) Jeppiz (talk) 19:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
More Zeitgeist stuff
I added your advice link to the discussion in my fourth statement [5] If you are of a mind to comment on this mess that would be good. You can add your name to the top if desired. Thanks Earl King Jr. (talk) 12:23, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
I'd look more into it, but the internet connection here is unstable at best. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:58, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Precious
fighting prejudice
Thank you, Ian, with an early "interest in religion and mythology", for quality articles such as Debtera and Reuben Swinburne Clymer, for replacing "issues" by "topics", for prejudice from the start and clarity, for welcoming new user pointing out (in other words) "ya bettah bring yer damn sauces", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
that should not be an excuse to swear a lot on Wikipedia. I appreciate the fact that you are fighting against bias on Wikipedia, but telling people that you are "citing the $#&% out of that article" or telling people to "calm their %!&$" is language that would've been adequately substituted with "citing sources on that article" or telling people to "calm down". wp:Civility is a policy. --UnforgivablyPotatoes (talk) 21:37, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
There's been a general consensus for a long while that just using profanity by itself isn't a violation of civility, the issue is whether (and even how) it is addressed at someone. "cited the shit out of Cassiel" (gee, that was almost two months ago, digging much?) can not be regarded as an attack on anyone.
Also, this is the sort of wiki-cop tendency that you were being told to tone down. Even if it's nice wiki-cop, it's still wiki-cop (almost wiki-nanny). Ian.thomson (talk) 23:19, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
@Ian.thomson: ...almost bizarrely so for a ten day-old account... MuffledPocketed 04:10, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
Indeed. However, I can still imagine that it's someone still figuring out the balance between WP:PG and WP:IAR. Ian.thomson (talk) 04:37, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Thank you for your hard work dealing with established trolls. Alex ShihTalk 02:18, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2018!
Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2018!
Hello Ian.thomson, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2018.
Happy editing, Chris Troutman (talk) 00:07, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
