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Hi, I was notified that you reverted my contribution to Template:Professional Counter-Strike competition -- as you did to CoolingGibbon's edit to Template:Valve, as well. What I disagree with above your reverts was that you asserted that consensus was reached at WikiProject Video games when it wasn't; we had a discussion at Talk:Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, where editors agreed that Counter-Strike 2 is an update to Global Offensive, but there wasn't consensus about it being a new game. I won't edit war, but I found that a little disingenuous, given that I've been heavily involved with the discussion. BOTTO _(T•C) 01:13, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Botto, sorry for the delayed response. You're right--I misspoke on where that discussion happened, and while I still read a number of comments that appear to argue for CS2 being a whole different game, that conclusion wasn't in the scope of that discussion. However, I feel pretty strongly that abbreviating CS2 to "Global Offensive (2)" implies that CS2 is actually called CSGO 2, which obviously isn't correct? Happy to start a discussion anywhere you'd like, but regardless of the update/new game status, that just seems to be an issue of correctly identifying the property. I see that now you and Gibbon have further changed this, so it's probably a moot point by now. Alyo (chat·edits) 02:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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how many pages i should edit before creating my own page --Yassin Mokadem (talk) 21:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Yassin Mokadem, there’s no hard and fast rule. If you’re familiar with our policies, you could create a page right now. The WP:Article Wizard will guide you through the process of starting a new page, but note that Wikipedia is not for promotion, and the article will only be accepted if you include multiple independent sources discussing the topic in some detail. For example, newspapers, books, and journals would work. However, links to social media or blogs will not be enough. If you understand these rules, there’s nothing stopping you from creating a page. Alyo (chat·edits) 08:11, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello dear how can i add new article? --Tanvirhossains (talk) 22:23, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Tanvirhossains, the WP:Article Wizard will guide you through the process of starting a new page, but note that Wikipedia is not for promotion, and the article will only be accepted if you include multiple independent sources discussing the topic in some detail. For example, newspapers, books, and journals would work. However, links to social media or blogs will not be enough. Alyo (chat·edits) 13:15, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I was working on a new article and when I went to try and add sources, I found all the work I had just done was deleted. How do I recover all that work? --Itsmeblondie90 (talk) 18:21, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Itsmeblondie90, what page were you working on? Were you working on another account, or without being logged in? I can't see any other edits in your history so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Alyo (chat·edits) 18:40, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Murder of Rachel Morin. I ended up rewriting it but it has since been rejected. I am happy to work with making it better but this is my first time creating a Wiki article so I'd like to do it correctly but I am not surprised if I've neglected things more experienced publishers would know. Itsmeblondie90 (talk) 20:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Itsmeblondie90, you got some good advice from RickinBaltimore on your talk page, but I’ll add just a bit. There are obviously so many crimes that happen that WP cannot cover them all, and so WP:VICTIM requires some additional significant coverage to have an article about a victim. Furthermore, Wikipedia policies rule strongly against any sort of speculation about real events (especially those involving living people), meaning that WP is a particularly bad place to collect information about a crime, victims, possible perps, etc. Let me know if you have other questions, but the main thing you’re gonna want to add is coverage about the crime in reliable sources—not tabloids, not social media, etc. Alyo (chat·edits) 01:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes he did give me good advice, as did you. Thank you. I'll do some digging and bring it up to snuff. Thank you for your help! 173.49.0.64 (talk) 01:30, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

HI thank you for adding u as a mentor. I have drafted a article for wikipedia about a person who is well known in our province. He has significant coverage in print media daily. People need to know about him. But some people declining draft citing that person doesnot have significant coverage. But i have added the print media links as reference. And added our province highcourt name list. Abayan leo (talk) 16:11, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Abayan leo, the issue with Draft:Hasan Mohammed Jinnah is that right now, only this source and this source appear to discuss Jinnah in any real detail at all--the rest are all either by him, mention him in passing, or don't mention him at all. As a general rule, editors prefer to see three or more good, strong sources discussing a topic before creating an article, and here you have...one and a half? Because filmibeat does not appear to be a strong newspaper. Without stronger sources, it's very hard to get other editors to accept an article. You mention that he is covered in print media--which newspapers? Alyo (chat·edits) 17:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i have drafted a article. How can i know that it is published or not --Abayan leo (talk) 09:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Abayan leo, the article has been published--it's here: Hasan Mohammed Jinnah. Good work! Alyo (chat·edits) 14:37, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I just created an account, I think, and I wanted to create a profile of my work. I am an actor. I don’t really know what to do next. --Stevewilcox2001 (talk) 16:21, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Stevewilcox2001, as a general rule, wikipedia policy strongly advises against writing about yourself. Please see this page for more information. Let me know if you have any questions. Alyo (chat·edits) 22:55, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to create an article about my deceased father with information about all his education and the contribution he made to education in Shkoder, a city in Albania. in 2003 it was also decorated by the president with a high title Naim Frasheri i Arte --Mimoza Dervishi (talk) 10:11, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Mimoza Dervishi, please note that Wikipedia policy strongly advises against writing about your own family members--it creates a conflict of interest and a variety of other issues. You can start with the WP:Article Wizard, which will guide you through the process of starting a new page, but note that Wikipedia is not for promotion, and the article will only be accepted if you include multiple independent sources discussing the person in some detail. For example, newspapers, books, and journals would work. However, links to social media or blogs will not be enough. If you'd like, you can provide the sources here and I'll tell you if I think it's worth doing more work on. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How to edit it --Karna Lavanya (talk) 14:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Karna Lavanya, click the "edit" button at the top right, or the smaller edit button next to each section header. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Alyo nice to meet you, I am Christine --Christine A. Lawley (talk) 05:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Christine A. Lawley, nice to meet you. If there's anything I can help you with, just let me know :) Alyo (chat·edits) 14:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How to apply a new fly member , can I get membership fly number once the apply is success ? I would like to fly with starlux airline some time next year. --CHI LIANG LAN (talk) 23:09, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CHI LIANG LAN Hi, I can only answer questions about Wikipedia. Alyo (chat·edits) 23:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello , I have made an article in name M. Karthikeyan. Im not sure whether it has been published or not. can you help me to find it. Thank you --Abayan leo (talk) 06:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Abayan leo, I think you figured this out by now, but the draft is at Draft:M. Karthikeyan and it has been correctly submitted to our review process. Alyo (chat·edits) 12:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah some what cleared. But it have already published someone again change it to draft. Abayan leo (talk) 12:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Abayan leo yes that's correct. Wikipedia has rules about what kinds of topics are allowed on the site. For example, articles are not supposed to be overly promotional, which is why your article was changed to a draft. I've also reviewed and declined the article, and I can explain more about why here. Wikipedia requires topics to be covered in significant detail by multiple sources. The sources you have right now are either written by Karthikeyan, or just mention Karthikeyan in very light detail. None of these help to demonstrate notability--they need to discuss Karthikeyan's life in detail. There need to be multiple paragraphs about him in these sources. Let me know if you have any questions, but I don't believe this topic will be appropriate for wikipedia. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:10, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Book which he wrote was to the students preparing for the competetive exams. In the news article they have explained his role in multiple paragraph. He is a educator cum advocate in city. He also represented the government of states. He also represent the government of India in states for his profile of Government of India is cited. To put it this not a promotional content. A person who is educator in city and has written many books which will be usefull for the student community. Abayan leo (talk) 14:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Abayan leo Which news article are you talking about? All of those things are great, but you need sources that say that about him in detail, and I don't see that right now. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:38, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have cited near educator and educator section - In the toppers of civil service examination article they explained his role in mentoring the students for civil service examination. Abayan leo (talk) 15:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Abayan leo You're talking about these three links? The first is just a book listing--that's not significant coverage. The second has a quote by Karthikeyan, but the article is not actually about him. Same for the third--the woman quoted mentions him, but the article is about her, not Karthikeyan. Alyo (chat·edits) 15:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The book list which was mentioned was written by him. Second one is not just quote how his mentorship useful for the students to clear the exams is explained the student community. Abayan leo (talk) 16:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The book list which was mentioned was written by him. I don't know how else to say this, but that doesn't demonstrate notability. The article doesn't say "Here's a list put together by Karthikeyan, a well-respected educator etc etc". It just lists his book. Second one is not just quote how his mentorship useful for the students to clear the exams is explained the student community. No, it doesn't explain how his mentorship is useful, it just talks about how mentorship in general is useful. And he is quoted. There is literally no content about him personally. Again, that's not enough by Wikipedia's standards. Alyo (chat·edits) 16:37, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I've used Wikipedia for years and thought I may be able to help with edits. Any suggestions on where to start? --Dustinblock1376 (talk) 23:51, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Dustinblock1376, thanks for registering! I've left a little welcome message on your talk page (User talk:Dustinblock1376), which is the place other editors will leave you notes, comments, feedback, etc. To be quite honest, I think the best way to start is to begin with what you're actually interested in. If you go back to the beginning of my edits, you'll mostly see a bunch of edits to articles about college football and video games. Nothing earth-shattering, but it helps to begin on issues you're passionate about already, or enjoy reading, researching, and writing about. Around different topics areas, editors often form "Wikiprojects" (a list roughly by activity is here) which will often have to-do lists and suggested areas of need--that's a good way to find articles that need help. Our WP:Maintenance page has a possibly-overwhelming list of issues that need solving across the site, but may be a better way to get a sense of what kinds of issues you might be best suited to work on. Let me know if I can answer any follow-up questions! Alyo (chat·edits) 00:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alyo, I tried to add a well-known influence on Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" in the notes section. (note c) But it shows beneath the other influences mentioned on a line apart.

Is there a way to fix that? It looks very odd as displayed. --Gknoy (talk) 17:41, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Gknoy, and welcome to Wikipedia. The way that sources and references usually work in Wikipedia is that they are actually located in the body of the text, and then we use a template at the bottom of the page to actually display the reference. So in this case, note c is actually located in the first line of the Thesis section (The_History_of_the_Decline_and_Fall_of_the_Roman_Empire#Thesis) and if you click Edit on that specific section you'll see this text in the edit box:

Gibbon offers an explanation for the [[Fall of the Western Roman Empire|fall of the Roman Empire]], a task made difficult by a lack of comprehensive written sources, though he was not the only historian to attempt it.((efn|See for example [[Henri Pirenne#Pirenne Thesis|Henri Pirenne's (1862–1935) famous thesis]] published in the early 20th century. As for sources more recent than the ancients, Gibbon certainly drew on [[Montesquieu]]'s short essay, ''[[Considerations on the Causes of the Greatness of the Romans and their Decline]]'', and on previous work published by [[Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet|Bossuet]] (1627–1704) in his ''Histoire universelle à Monseigneur le dauphin'' (1763). see Pocock, ''The Enlightenments of Edward Gibbon, 1737–1764''. for Bossuet, pp. 65, 145; for Montesquieu, pp. 85–88, 114, 223.))

So note c is actually that text inside the squiggly brackets there, with "efn" being a call to ((efn)), or the "Explanatory footnotes" template. The text inside the efn template is then displayed because of the ((Notelist)) template in the Notes section. If you add the text you're trying to add inside that efn template, instead of down in the Notes section, it will display correctly. Let me know if you're able to figure that out :) Alyo (chat·edits) 17:53, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Alyo! That worked perfectly! Now that you explain it, I remember having the same problem some years ago, but I'd forgotten how to fix it. Thank you for your other "Welcome" email too. I don't often find things I feel need fixing so I'll mark both "unread" and hope to remember to consult them when I do! (And lol, it will probably be the same notes problem again!)

Best regards,

GK Noyer Gknoy (talk) 19:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! Let me know if there's ever anything else I can help with. Alyo (chat·edits) 19:15, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Alyo -- Where are you located? --Tfkhoward (talk) 02:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Tfkhoward, I'm on the east coast of the US. Alyo (chat·edits) 04:57, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello how do I edit a bio --Michaelanthonylds (talk) 09:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Michaelanthonylds, do you mean editing an existing biography on Wikipedia, or creating one about yourself? If you mean the latter, that is strongly discouraged. Alyo (chat·edits) 15:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello i was wondering if there was anything written about me?, and if there is how to fix it? --WikiMichaelRhodes (talk) 11:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @WikiMichaelRhodes, only you know if one of these articles is about you--do you have any specific concerns? Alyo (chat·edits) 15:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Aylo,

When i open my User contributions, i find out that there is green numbers with a plus beside them (+) , and (current), can you please explain to me what do they mean?

Thanks, --Ahmadhussein297 (talk) 06:42, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Ahmadhussein297, the green numbers (or sometimes red) are a indication of how content you added (or took away) from the page. If you add a single letter or character, it will say (+1). If you removed an unnecessary "the", it would say (-3). It's just an easy way to see when someone has made a large addition or subtraction (usually >500 characters) from the page. The (current) tells you whether your edit is the most recent edit to the page, and thus your edit is the (current) version. If the (current) isn't there, that just means someone else has edited the page since you last edited it. Let me know if you have any other questions :) Alyo (chat·edits) 17:24, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, wondering if you Auction fine crystal, artwork, and political Democratic JFK tickets from 1960 --Barbfield007 (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Barbfield007, this page is just about Heritage Auctions, it is not a way to contact them. Alyo (chat·edits) 21:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do i upload pictures on my account --Snow Akhenaten Apuuli Isaza (talk) 10:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Snow Akhenaten Apuuli Isaza, you would use the Upload file function. Are you trying to upload a logo? Alyo (chat·edits) 15:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello can you please teach how to write a test --Lindelo1 (talk) 05:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Lindelo1, no I can't, I can only help with questions about editing wikipedia. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey how can I create a page about myself? --Mikeisflux (talk) 21:01, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Mikeisflux, we highly recommend against that. Are there multiple newspaper, books, magazines, etc, discussing you in significant detail? Alyo (chat·edits) 21:50, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am the author of several books as well as the founder of Divinity Comics and Comics Illustrated a monthly Indie Comics news publication. 73.36.4.90 (talk) 21:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Be that as it may, Wikipedia generally requires biographies to include multiple sources discussing the subject in significant detail. In other words, the fact that you've written books or founded publications isn't enough unless other reliable sources in the space have also covered your books, or written about you as the founder of those two organizations. Finally, please see Wikipedia:Autobiography for our policy about autobiographies. Again, it is strongly discouraged. Alyo (chat·edits) 22:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hie, how do I create citation --HAPPY MUWOWO (talk) 15:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm D.D.B2024, How can I create a user page? --D.D.B2024 (talk) 15:22, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @D.D.B2024, your userpage is this page here: User:D.D.B2024--this is where you can tell other editors what you are interested in. Alyo (chat·edits) 06:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to upload images --HAPPY MUWOWO (talk) 18:09, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @HAPPY MUWOWO, you would use the Special:Upload page, however as a general rule just know that Wikipedia generally prefers free images, or images you own. Alyo (chat·edits) 06:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I was trying to add this part under "Parts that are difficult to understand if you are not Korean" - 생선을 먹을 땐 가시 발라먹어 “When I eat fish, I discard the bones” In Korean, fish bones (가시 - gasi) sounds a lot like hypocrisy (가식 - gasik) 수박을 먹을 때는 씨 발라먹어 “When I eat watermelons, I discard the seeds” In Korean, 씨발 is a swear word. but My Pants Metal keeps deleting my contribution. This time his reasoning was: sourced provided aren't reliable, published sources. Additionally, this is an encyclopedia. Not a translation service. Personally I don't understand why he is saying the sources aren't reliable as it was a dictionary page as well as wiki page. So if the sources aren't reliable literally all the dictionaries in the world should be gone and wikipedia should be gone as it is not reliable per what Mr. My Pants Metal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:My_Pants_Metal) is saying. At this point I'm feeling rather censored. I feel that he is trying to prevent non-Koreans from fully undrestanding this song. --PinkTuxedoCat (talk) 17:00, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @PinkTuxedoCat, I believe you are talking about I Luv It (Psy song), right? As a general rule, Wikipedia relies on independent sources to inform us when a topic should be covered on Wikipedia, and we try not to write about things that you or I may know from our own experiences, even if its true. We call this wp:original research, and it's generally prohibited. For this article, that means that you should look for a source that actually discusses the play on words that Psy is using--I believe you that your korean translation is essentially accurate, but that isn't the same as saying that should go into the article. Does that make sense? Alyo (chat·edits) 05:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hello how can i change Pictures --Nocawe 23 (talk) 09:25, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Nocawe 23, what are you referring to? Do you mean on a specific page? or uploading a new photo that isn't on wikipedia? Alyo (chat·edits) 21:55, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i mean uploading on a Picture also

also how can i add a music sample to a specific page Nocawe 23 (talk) 17:53, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nocawe 23, you would use the Special:Upload function--but please note that as a general rule, you should only be uploading photos that you took yourself. This also applies to music samples--if you don't own the music sample, then there are lots of rules that apply and limit how you can use those. Alyo (chat·edits) 03:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello I'm looking forward to creating an edit will you walk me through the steps --Androidbuz (talk) 01:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Androidbuz, what page are you looking to edit, or what change do you want to make? Alyo (chat·edits) 15:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been thinking on creating my own topic my friend I've came up with study and want to go about putting it in the dictionary Androidbuz (talk) 18:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to place the word and a definition with it if any way is there a chance to make money? Androidbuz (talk) 18:16, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, this doesn't sound like it's appropriate for wikipedia. Wikipedia only covers topics that have been discussed in reliable sources, like newspapers and books. It's not the place to create new topics. Alyo (chat·edits) 23:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hi --Jayasuriyan.K (talk) 09:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Jayasuriyan.K :) Alyo (chat·edits) 15:44, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! How to I create a page for a business. Thanks! --Adermond11 (talk) 21:52, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Adermond11, Wikipedia is not a place to advertise your business, so please note that the business will only be accepted if independent, reliable sources have discussed the business in detail. Do you have a few of those sources? Alyo (chat·edits) 22:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, according to your response, the club isn’t called Atlanta United FC either, but simply Atlanta United, as this is what the club says itself in the article -- But no problem, I’ve added a source straight from the club. -esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 16:14, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haha I think it's pretty clear they'd prefer that, based on the direction their branding goes. I still don't love that source, but I'm at least going to move it to the infobox and standardize the other places where the name of the club is listed. Alyo (chat·edits) 15:25, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Couple of things first: I have not been edit warring FOR 3+ years, that is a lie, I’m afraid I can’t let you write that on my talk page without rebuking it.

I have provided sources for the TEAM name, not the corporation name. That »Football Club« is the corporation name is an unfounded claim by user Walter Görlitz who was in fact edit warring.

If you had done your research, you’d have probably realized it AND you would have learned that this user in question was blocking the change that had been advocated by a number of other editors: Club names in Major League Soccer. I had provided sources, the other user has not, period.

Secondly, I’m not sure how or where you came to the conclusion that you are entitled to tell me what to do (»stop«), so kindly take your own advice and refrain.

There is a reason it’s called full name vs. abbreviation. You conveniently ignored my reference to Liverpool FC, Chelsea FC and countless other examples here on Wikipedia, another is FC Bayern. The more interesting point however is that none of said articles has provided a source corroborating that the respective name is Liverpool Football Club, Chelsea Football Club or Fussball-Club Bayern München, so I have in fact done more than was done in these articles. If you really were interested in applying the arbitrary standardization rules you mentioned, why don’t you go ahead and abbreviate them to the common name with which they are referred to? I’d love to see how that goes.

The case with Atlanta United Football Club is that a group of users seem to believe they can claim something without providing proof, and sadly, they seem to be right in their belief.

Find a source where the team or club says that they are NOT called Football Club and that this is only the suffix for the legal entity.

Until then, your actions are more in line with WP:OWN and WP:CPP. The year of the source is irrelevant, it’s official. There’s a reason you haven’t provided any source, and neither has the other edit-warrior.

Have you even looked at a single one of the sources I provided (of which there are 18 - in words: eighteen - listed) instead of assuming? Of course not, otherwise you wouldn’t have claimed that that the full name is not spelled out in »any media coverage«, which is false and either caused by ignorance due to lack of research or a lie based on deliberate ommission of facts that prove the contrary. XD

Why don’t you do an editor’s homework first and check the sources: From the Atlanta United official website: »We are a football club […]« [7]. Oh wait, there’s more: »The club engaged with the city’s community from the get-go—Atlanta United Football Club was a name decided by fans through online polling.« [8]. There are 16 more sources, help yourself. According to your and the other user’s reasoning, fans decided on the corporate name by way of an online-poll, right? They must be fans of the enterprise, but not the team, impressive.

Let’s have a look: Atlanta United Football Club is mentioned in the following media sources: »Atlanta United Football Club is already breaking Major League Soccer records. More than 26,000 fans paid deposits to secure season tickets. And it’s for a TEAM that doesn’t start playing until March 2017.« [9]; »“We are the ‘A’”: Atlanta United, Nationalism, And What It Means To Belong« (page 3) [10]; »Support your club and the City of Atlanta community with other like-minded fans of Atlanta United Football Club.« (Resurgence Supporters Group) [11]; »Atlanta United Football Club« (World Soccer Shop) https://www.worldsoccershop. com/shop/clubs/atlanta-united; Peach Review [12]; Saporta Report [13]; Yahoo Sports [14]; Fox 5 Atlanta [15]; CNN [16]; Atlanta Voice [17]; Museum Tower [18]; Atlanta City Council [19].

So, both official club and independent media sources use it over and over again, but what is not allowed, will be denied existence on Wikipedia. XD I am curious though, why did you add Football Club to the full name section when it’s allegedly only the name of the corporate entity and not the »team«? And if it’s the corporate name according to your claim, where is the LLC suffix?

I’ll tell you what, you can go on and indulge in manipulating articles to your liking, every so often I’m reminded what a toxic cess pool this is. Good luck. --esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 00:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Herr chagall I'm sorry, but I don't have time to go through this and refute point by point the same issues that were brought on your talk page in 2021 if you're still not going to answer them. I found the documents of incorporation--Walter Görlitz is correct. You keep pointing to European comparisons, when it has clearly been pointed out to you that in America, things are just different. Clubs regularly use "FC" as a branding mechanism without actually wanting to be called "Football Club". All of your sources are old, and modern use by the club, fans, MLS, and the media leans away from spelling out "Football Club". I have left "Football Club" as the full name in the infobox purely as a compromise, but if we're gonna make any changes to the lead sentence (or the article title), it should actually be to remove "FC" entirely, as that's what the club appears to be rebranding as (note how the MLS lists the club). I ask you to consider these updated arguments, because the list of links you're providing here is very out of date and includes apartment buildings and multiple blogs that would have no weight in this discussion.

So, both official club and independent media sources use it over and over again -- find something from the last year, please. Here's the google search result. Your best (only?) source is a small town Georgia newspaper. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a debate in good faith when the rules and demands are changed constantly to accommodate and favor one point of view. You haven’t refuted any points, sorry to tell you like this, you just repeat unfounded claims by Görlitz who used straw man and deflection tactics to distract from the actual point of contention.

To clarify: Initially, the requirement was to provide official sources/club sources. That I did.

Then, after this requirement was met, a new requirement was brought up, or rather, a claim: that the full name is not the actual name and that it is not used »[…] in any media coverage«. I refuted this claim, too, and now we have arrived at yet another, more particular demand that you want fulfilled: that it has to be from last year onwards. To spare me the effort, let me ask in advance: when I post current and recent sources, will you demand that the club owner personally has to affirm in written form that the name is Atlanta United Football Club?

Your quote: »Standardize other uses to the COMMONNAME« [20]. The COMMONNAME is NOT the the issue here, which can be either Atlanta United FC, Atlanta United or ATL Utd.

The point of contention is the FULL name, which doesn’t equate a commonly used abbreviation or variant of the official name. If you honestly want to STANDARDIZE the COMMONNAME on articles about football clubs, I invite you again to try it on the articles of FC Bayern (common name), Chelsea FC (common name) and Liverpool FC (common name) for starters. The geographical location of these clubs is irrelevant to the standardization of COMMONNAME elements, so please don’t use it as an excuse not to move forward and remove the full name from the lead paragraph.

Your quote: »Clubs regularly use “FC” as a branding mechanism without actually wanting to be called “Football Club”« - another strong and false statement, unless you are directly involved with the clubs and their leadership and privy to information of how they plan their strategies and provide evidence of their intentions.

I had posted the link to the club’s about section where it says that it’s a football club. Even the legal entity has »football club« in its name as well - if they didn’t want to be called that, they would have registered the name »Atlanta United FC, LLC«, or »Atlanta United, LLC«.

This should answer your question, another official club source: »Atlanta United Football Club, LLC (the “MLS Team”)« [21] - the TEAM name and the LEGAL name are identical. Or are you going to argue against the club itself now?

Your quote: »[…] modern use by the club, fans, MLS, and the media leans away from spelling out “Football Club”«.

What does »leaning away« from USING the full name have to do with the full name itself? I’m not quite sure what the reasoning is behind repeating false claims. I could understand it if this was used to mislead someone who is not involved in the debate, but I am involved and I have proved you wrong. A full name remains a full name, regardless of the frequency in everyday usage or general news coverage.

You ignored the source that tells you that the fans themselves voted for the club’s name to be »Atlanta United Football Club« - why is that? You also ignored the discussion about adding the full name to the lead paragraph where the majority were in favor of it [22], @Jts1882, @Koncorde, @C. Gerstle.

Another false claim is that »ALL of [my] sources are old« - »old« does not equate »outdated«. The majority of my sources are current, again this is easy to verify, but you opted to repeat false claims by Görlitz without due diligence.

Again, branding is irrelevant when it comes to the full or official name, I HAVE NEVER said that the full name is used more often than the abbreviation, the number of football clubs which do that in any country is negligible. I HAVE ALSO NEVER changed the article title or advocated anything of that sort, I had just added the full name to the lead paragraph and this triggered Görlitz for some reason. There has been no official or verified renaming of the club, which you however insinuate. You will have to meet the same requirements and provide sources that confirm that alleged change.

Your assumptions are based on branding combined with ignoring or downplaying sources that point to the opposite.

This is illustrated with another United Statesian club from the MLS, Inter Miami CF. Let’s apply your and Görlitz’s arguments to that club:

Modern use by the club, fans, MLS, and the media leans away from spelling out [the name]: correct.

The club BRANDS itself as Inter Miami CF [23]; the MLS BRANDS the club as Inter Miami CF [24]; the media refer to the club as Inter Miami or Inter Miami CF [25] [26]; the agency responsible for the BRAND IDENTITY calls the club Inter Miami CF [27] … and yet the club’s official/full name is Club Internacional de Fútbol Miami - there is no source listed for the full name in the Wikipedia article, but it is not challenged, odd, isn’t it? The only source for its full name are the club badge and the about page on the club site [28]. However, according to your reasoning, the club’s name would be Inter Miami CF because of the branding and frequency of usage by club, fans and media. So much about consistency, but this is not really what it’s about, is it?

FC Cincinnatti for instance, explicitly separates the names of the legal entity and the team [29]. There is no such distinction available or known in the case of Atlanta United, so unless you can provide a source of that category, rejecting the addition of the official full name is not editing in good faith but POV-pushing.

You confuse - or maybe deliberately mix up - marketing campaigns and practices with the full name of a club or team.

As to your search result, again I’m not sure how you searched, there are plenty of hits:

2024:

FANS - Resurgence Supporters Group, a supporter group of the club: »Support your club and the City of Atlanta community with other like-minded fans of Atlanta United Football Club.« I had listed the source above, you ignored it;

MEDIA Transfermarkt, a news portal on football clubs, player transfers and values et al.: »Official club name: Atlanta United Football Club« [30] - if you don’t know about the relevance of transfermarkt.com, see its Wikipedia entry;

MEDIA - Global Sports Archive, a sports statistics portal, owned by Data Sports Group, and a recognized reliable source on Wikipedia, incorporated into player templates to retrieve data for info boxes: »Official club name: Atlanta United Football Club« [31];

COMPANIES - Draper & Associates, the company that built the training complex for the club: »[…] for Atlanta’s Major League Soccer Team, the Atlanta United Football Club« [32];

2023:

CLUB - Goalkeeper coach job position: »Atlanta United Football Club« [33];

CLUB - Data analyst job position to improve team performance (closed in the meanwhile): »Atlanta United Football Club is looking to add a detail-oriented, methodical, and collaborative Data Analyst to our growing team […] This position is required to engage in collaboration with the entire sports science and technical staff.« [34]; also found on football news site »The Striker«: »Atlanta United’s analytics revolution has begun« [35];

FANS - Georgia Tech Alumni Association: »The GT Atlanta Intown Alumni and GT Hispanic Alumni invite you to the 4th Annual GT Alumni Night with the Atlanta United Football Club« [36];

2022:

FANS - National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund: »The Atlanta United Football Club is teaming up with the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund at Mercedes-Benz Stadium on Saturday, September 10, 2022 for First Responders Day as Atlanta United takes on Toronto FC.« [37].

Curious to see which ones you will ignore and which ones you will call »irrelevant«. -esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 05:23, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Herr chagall, you must be more concise in your answers, out of respect for other editors. I'm going to trim the fat on our discussion to just the critical issues:

1. "Atlanta United Football Club, LLC" is the name of the corporation that runs the club. You keep saying @Walter Görlitz's claims were unfounded, but I linked you to the articles of incorporation above. Just...click the link? And you'll see that we're right?
2. The club draws a distinction between the use of that full title and the use of a shortened "FC" for branding purposes. Hilariously, one of your own links shows this--that goalkeeper coach job listing says AMB Sports & Entertainment Group ... is comprised of the Atlanta Falcons Football Club, LLC, Atlanta’s Major League Soccer team, Atlanta United FC..., drawing a distinction between an LLC and the club that plays in the MLS.
3. In further support of point 2, the MLS no longer calls the club "Atlanta United FC", instead just preferring "Atlanta United". At some point during this season, depending on the news coverage I see, I will probably start a discussion to move the page to "Atlanta United" and drop the FC entirely.
4. You keep providing links to usage of "Football Club", but none of them qualify as reliable sources. Supporters groups, Transfermarkt, advertising by Draper, job listings, an alumni association--literally none of these meet our standards for independent, reliable third parties suitable for general statements of this type. None. If you disagree with this, then you fundamentally misunderstand our sourcing policies. My search result was on for actual reliable sources that have editorial policies and a demonstrated history of fact checking. I simply don't care that a national law enforcement advocacy organization says "Football Club", why on earth would they be relevant experts in this discussion?
5. As stupid as this may seem to you (and I agree that it's stupid!) in the US we have no history of the word "FC" always meaning "Football Club" in conjunction with local sporting outfits (especially for soccer). "FC" is just a term we slap on the end of a team name because the Europeans did it that way and it says "FC" in FIFA 13. An indicator of this is the fact that all British clubs actually use proper punctuation (i.e., Leicester City F.C. where the periods following F and C clearly indicate they are initialisms). Note how no American club does that. Instead, "football club" is historically associated with NFL franchises (refer to the quote in point 2).
6. In the spirit of compromise, I have left "Football Club" in the infobox in the fullname parameter since there is at least a parent organization named that and I don't think it's 100% wrong--only 95% wrong. I don't care about your gotcha's about having the LLC in there or not--I'm happy to remove "Football Club" from the infobox as well if that's what makes me consistent in your mind.
7. However, the COMMONNAME of the club, the name they play under in MLS, and the name that national news media refer to them as is "Atlanta United" and sometimes "Atlanta United FC".
8. Actually yeah, I'm just gonna start a discussion to move this to "Atlanta United" this season. You've convinced me.

Alyo (chat·edits) 15:42, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You MUST practice reading comprehension and refrain from attempts to create a narrative, out of respect for other editors who respond in earnest - the reason why I am so thorough is to refer back to the links if necessary. I will just address the manipulations:

What I wrote above: »The COMMONNAME is NOT the the issue here, which can be either Atlanta United FC, Atlanta United or ATL Utd.« The you go to point 7 and rephrase it. Straw man. Nobody questions what the COMMONNAME is.

Point 5, another straw man: Nobody says that FC always means Football Club, what purpose does this deflection serve? We, or at least I, am talking about Atlanta United Football Club. You said it yourself, the associations with the U.S. variant of rugby are historical, and no longer accurately reflect the changing landscape of sports franchises.

Point 4, more selective ignoring and deflection: You have club sources, current ones even, and you manipulatively insinuate that they don’t count. The club’s official website where it markets the suites in the stadium says the following: »Atlanta United Football Club, LLC (the “MLS Team”) [38] and you put in real effort to ignore it. What is hilarious is that you spin a different narrative. Then you go on at length to lecture about why other source categories are not »reliable«, which you brought up in the first place - so if fans (who you mentioned) or media (who you mentioned) DON’T write the full name, it is reliable to you, but if they do, it is not, got it! Every response just makes it clearer and I genuinely appreciate it. And again you ignored that the full name was put up for votes by the franchise and ended up being chosen by the fans, for the third time now.

Point 3, more ignoring when your argument is applied to another club, Inter Miami. Let’s see some standardization and consistency here. I don’t care where the page is moved to, it can be Atl Utd for all I care. I want the full name to be added to the lead, as it was, because it IS the full name - nothing more. The fundamental opposition to this is mind boggling, and again manipulative ignoring of what I had said earlier. You conveniently avoid mentioning the discussion that was already had and a consensus that was reached but blocked by Görlitz who himself didn’t partake in the discussion. I’ll link again, for the record: [39]

Point 2, deliberate misleading: The MLS practice is irrelevant to the official name, as I already said. It doesn’t own or define the name of the franchise, and it puzzles me how you cling on to it - if we are honest, it is in the same category as the fan sites. Branding doesn’t change the real name, only the COMMONNAME, which is a completely different thing and for the rest, see the beginning above.

Point 1, see point 4 and that I’m … correct.

-esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 18:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't seem to understand the policies we have in place here. E.g., stating that fansites (covered by WP:UGC) and MLS (covered by WP:PRIMARY) should be treated the same on WP is completely wrong. You have yet to bring up a single acceptable source, and instead link to websites that I would immediately revert if added to the article.

Here is a list of every holding corporation in the MLS. Note how many of the corporations have different names from the clubs/teams in the MLS. For example, Dynamo Soccer, LLC runs the Houston Dynamo club. Thus, LLC names are separate from club names. In fact, Dynamo the club actually changed its name to add "Football Club", all the while Dynamo the corporation retained the same name. So for Houston, you would be correct to spell out Football Club as the full name of the club. For Atlanta United, you need to provide a reliable, independent source saying that the club--not the LLC--is called "Football Club". You have not done so. Until you do that, I'm repeating myself. If you link to anything that says "Atlanta United Football Club, LLC", it is clearly talking about the corporation. I'll go practice my reading comprehension now. Alyo (chat·edits) 19:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hi how do i delete my account --124person123 (talk) 16:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, for copyright reasons you cannot delete your account. However, since there's no identifying information in your account name and you only made it 20 minutes ago, you can just stop using it. Alyo (chat·edits) 16:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious. It's true of course that an account cannot be deleted, but why do you say it's "for copyright reasons"?--Bbb23 (talk) 18:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23 my understanding (I am not a copyright lawyer) is that because of the of the license wikipedia uses to release all content, attribution is required for all edits--either an IP address or an account username. Obviously the account can be renamed to gibberish and in this case, I don't think 124person123's contributions would realistically cause any concern in a court of law, but that feature isn't even turned on in mediawiki to preempt the attribution issue. (There some fun intersection with the Right to be forgotten under GDPR and whether this will eventually require WP policy to change, but I haven't followed any developments in that discussion in a couple years.) Alyo (chat·edits) 18:38, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What you say sounds plausible. Thanks much.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:36, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging @124person123. Alyo (chat·edits) 16:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i want to delete it i dont want to use it anymore 124person123 (talk) 16:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@124person123 Then stop using the account. As I just said, you can't "delete" wikipedia accounts. Alyo (chat·edits) 16:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry, this is a little bit convoluted. I edited the Wikipedia page for Kandolus, a village in Iran. The romanized spelling was different throughout the article, I changed it to Kandelous as that's what's on their official website. I was wondering how to change the title/if I even should? Thanks! --Ellasmithdavis06 (talk) 18:48, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Ellasmithdavis06, good question! As a general rule, Wikipedia uses the "common name" of a topic, as it's used in english-language sources. I don't know how exactly that article settled at "Kandolus" versus one of the alternate spellings, but generally we only change article titles if we/you can show that more english sources use Kandelous, or if that's more proper than Kandolus. Given that this is a very small village, I'm not sure that is possible? If you speak Farsi or could discuss why كندلوس is better translated as Kandelous, you could probably make the change, but I'm not sure that the website URL is sufficient information to change the article's title. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense, thank you! Ellasmithdavis06 (talk) 15:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

I want to add my biography. Can you please give a biography example to edit from there? --Jan Nare (talk) 13:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Jan Nare, autobiographies are strongly discouraged on Wikipedia, as it is a conflict of interest, and people are generally a bad judge of whether they themselves are notable. Have multiple news articles, books, magazines, etc, been written about you? Alyo (chat·edits) 15:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to rename this page and am unable to move it or find the setting to move it. --Shajive (talk) 23:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Shajive, I'm sorry, but I've had to undo your edits. If you want to make an article about the Hindu Society of Minnesota, that should be a new article--right now the article is about the temple and it's not right to just rewrite the article to cover a new topic and then move the article. Instead, you should submit the new article at WP:Articles for creation. Alyo (chat·edits) 23:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When the page was created it should have been the Hindu Society of Minnesota not the Hindu Temple of Minnesota, I was attempting to rectify that issue. Shajive (talk) 23:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shajive, I understand what you were attempting to do, but now this article has been about the temple since 2018. An article about the Hindu Society of Minnesota should be separate--you can try to start that article, but you can't just rewrite/rename this article to be about a different topic, I'm sorry. Alyo (chat·edits) 23:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Dear Sir or Madam Can the coins collected in the game be converted into real money or digital currency? And if possible please guide the solution to convert coins to money --Laleh119 (talk) 06:08, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Laleh119, I can only answer questions about editing Wikipedia. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

سلام. میتوانید بگویید ویرایش کردن چه کمکی میتواند بکند --Laleh119 (talk) 06:22, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello my name is Anthony McKay... To whom it may concern... I want to put a claim in & I need help can someone please help me or point me in the right direction for help.... Thank you sincerely... --Tony Love 1000 (talk) 01:44, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Tony Love 1000, this is wikipedia, and I can only answer questions about wikipedia. Please contact your own local law enforcement if you need help. Alyo (chat·edits) 13:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What does full moon black magic and it takes two refer to? --C.p.d.united22 (talk) 04:09, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I can only answer questions about editing wikipedia. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hey! thanks for mentoring me!

i asked a question here that i perhaps should have asked you (:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Apple

essentially i noticed in an inconsistency but i am unsure how to resolve it! --Eh23233 (talk) 07:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Eh23233, thanks for the note, I'll reply there! Alyo (chat·edits) 13:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I put two flags in an info box? --Eehuiio (talk) 11:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Eehuiio, which article (and flags) are you talking about. Alyo (chat·edits) 13:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vienna, as it seems to have two flags. One looks like Indonesia flag, but with Austrian Red, and the other is the same, but with the coat of arms in the center Eehuiio (talk) 18:15, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vienna, Austria? What flag do you want to add, because I already see a flag and the coat of arms. Alyo (chat·edits) 18:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flag_of_Salzburg,_Vienna,_Vorarlberg.svg

Add that with the current flag, as Vienna has two flags. Eehuiio (talk) 19:36, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh, I see. So it appears that the infobox (it's Template:Infobox settlement) only has one place to insert a flag, so you would actually just be changing the flag from the flag that's in there now to the new flag. Do you want to start a discussion on the talk page about that? Alyo (chat·edits) 19:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, nevermind the.ln. Eehuiio (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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