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Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 15:02, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WTF? -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Repeat: ((ArbComBlock)). 109.180.50.169 (talk) 16:11, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Valjean: It would seem the Israel/Palestine issue has claimed another victim. It seems suboptimal to block any editor if their behavior in certain topics is less than perfect. This system of ARBCOM punishment meant to stop tempers from flaring probably just incentivizes editors to step right up to the line without going over. I don't think that's a reasoned way to moderate content disputes. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Maybe, but I don't see anything in his contribution history that relates to that topic. If it is, then this block appears to be either punitive or petty. Maybe it's something else that is revdeleted? This seems strange and damaging. It has a chilling effect that creates fear, poisons the well, and places ArbCom in a bad light. That's unfortunate. Moneytrees, we need clarity on this matter. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Valjean Speaking for myself, Arbcom had communication with Andrevan about what led to this, he is free to appeal via email. Arbcom only makes these blocks when there's some private aspect, we wouldn't make a block for an edit that violates an AE TBAN for example. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 17:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:03, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What is this? I've communicated with Andrevan, and he tells me he got blocked with no communication or reasoning. He has attempted communication himself, but the committee hasn't answered his e-mails since 1 January, at which time he denied posting Wikipediocracy troll posts. He has no access to posting on this page. Moneytrees, the community, as well as User:Andrevan himself, needs much more information from you lot. Bishonen | tålk 18:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC).Reply[reply]

I believe there was a misunderstanding on my part: there have been no e-mails in either direction since 1 January. So it's not like Andrevan has been posting and getting ignored since then. Still, the block came out of the blue, and with no explanation, today, several weeks after communication had ceased. Why? Bishonen | tålk 18:56, 24 January 2024 (UTC).Reply[reply]

And what would posting at Wikipediocracy have to do with Wikipedia, unless it's really bad? I am not registered there, but someone alerted me to attacks against me there. I was being viciously attacked there by an admin (and others) who is active here for using my user space to create articles. This involved trolling, harassment, and calls for me to be topic banned and sitebanned here. It was nasty, and an editor who asserted he was Andrevan defended me and told them off. (I can't be sure it was really Andrevan, and that's none of ArbCom's business (justifying a denial to them), unless it was something really bad. What was it about posting there that was THAT bad?) That defense of me was a good thing. The last I knew, it is allowed to use userspace as a draft place for article creation, and that admin's behavior there should lead to them losing their bit here. Harassment, personal attacks, and trolling against good faith editors by an admin are serious matters. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Bishonen, @Valjean, speaking for myself, I don't mean to be terse and vague in my responses, it's just of the draws of making a public action based on things you can't talk about publicly. Andrevan was sent a further explanation about an hour ago and we are discussing this. Workload (ACM and a case) and the new Arbs getting on the list later than usual contributed to a delay here, I will apologize for that. Wikipediocracy stuff isn't a determining factor in the block. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 22:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you, Moneytrees, I'm glad the delay in explaining has ended. I did not indeed mean to ask about matters you can't discuss in public. Bishonen | tålk 22:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC).Reply[reply]

I've made the suggestion that ArbCom use a slightly more descriptive block log entry (so ArbComBlock for canvassing/harassment/sockpuppetry/etc rather than just ArbComBlock, though this gets harder for more sensitiive block reasons like the rare child protection blocks we still end up having to place or some other reasons which I hesitate to even state as a category because of the confidentiality involved). We'll see if that is a change that gets support because as noted it does get tricky in a number of cases that we place blocks.

That said, I've been surprised by the idea that Andrevan had no idea why they were blocked, rather than believing it to be for the issue which they'd communicated with arbcom about (and received confirmation of their reply to ArbCom). Because it involves sensitive matters we had to get agreement on the wording - which is why he didn't receive an immediate reply - but it was the block was for thing we'd asked questions about earlier in the month. Barkeep49 (talk) 23:33, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I might be wrong, but from what I can tell, this discussion relates to confidential communications between Andrevan and ArbCom. One editor in this discussion has made, perhaps or surely inadvertently, a public allusion (that I will not repeat) to possible grave misconduct, which might be construed by some as potentially defamatory, and might "stick" to Andrevan's reputation, while Andrevan is prohibited from participating in this discussion. I recommend this discussion be revdeled in its entirely. soibangla (talk) 04:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

soibangla, I must be missing it. Email me? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ATFirefangledfeathers this comment. 109.180.50.169 (talk) 15:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]