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Okay, Andrzejbanas. You win. I don't have time to keep working indefinitely on the Mr. Wu site only to see everything I add immediately deleted. I've never encountered anything quite like this. I'll just make a couple of observations and move on. First, the initial paragraph detailing exactly how Chaney did the make-up wasn't written by me, it's been on the Mr. Wu page since it was first created back in 2008. I just added a couple of sentences about Chaney being famous for his make-ups, now carefully and properly referenced (the PDF of his New York Times obituary amazed even me regarding his make-up notoriety, including the reference to his writing the Encyclopedia Britannica article on Make-up that I mentioned). I didn't think four pictures (not the "dozen" that you mentioned in your description) would be excessive for an article this size but I suppose that can be quite subjective. Your deletion of my brief mention of Anna May Wong being in the supporting cast in the opening paragraph does surprise me, however. The U.S. Mint has been in the process of producing 30 million quarters with her name and image engraved on the backs for several months now, which had kindled even more interest in her astonishing career than ever; not only is she the first Asian pictured on American currency but I think she's also the first actor (apart from possibly Reagan). Uh oh. I just read your latest comment on the talk page about my adding to the Big Trail cast list. Yes, I certainly can add a reference for those. So now you're stalking me from one article to another. Andrzejbanas, what is this about? Have we interacted in the past? Your name seems familiar to me but I can't remember whether or not that's the case. I'm always trying to be very mild-mannered in interacting with fellow wikipedians (we're all on the same side) and I've never seen anything remotely like this. Please let me know what's going on so we can discuss it and straighten it out between ourselves. Racing Forward (talk) 03:36, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the reasons why the edits were removed and I've stated specifically which rules were being broken. (i.e: no source, or against MOS:FILM.) Standard stuff! The issue is, you are still making a few mistakes that do not improve wikipedia. For example, your last edit credits IMDb, which we don't use as reliable source see WP:RS/IMDb. I would suggest going through WP:RS, WP:OR, WP:RS/IMDb and Template:Infobox film further to try and avoid the issues. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:29, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RE: ... If you are unwilling to discuss, I'll assume consensus that you do not want to take this further and revert it to back how it was. You need to familiarise yourself with WP:NOTSILENCE (and WP:CONSENSUS) before engaging in an edit war to retain your preferred version instead of the consensus of three other editors. Cambial foliage❧ 18:44, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let's keep the the conversation in one section. I don't feel like dancing around and spreading it to other areas. I'll see ya on the Quique talk page. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:45, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please respect my request for you not to post on my talk page. I don't wish to have discussion with you there where you make repeated crass attempts to WP:GASLIGHT about policy or recent talk or article history. If you want to discuss the article, please do so on its talk page. Your talk is not on my watchlist. But let me be clear: I am not interested and will not respond to obvious and crass misrepresentations of recent editing history or comments. As per WP:NOTSILENCE, my not responding should not be taken by you as consent for you to do as you wish. Cambial foliage❧ 19:45, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Cambial Yellowing:, I'm happy to not to post on your talk page for discussion. But I'll post warning if need be. How else do I communicate with you If I feel called out? Also, I don't see how WP:NOTSILENCE applies here, as you have been continuing to respond. I'm sorry, but you have been applying rules that I don't see what you are trying to get at. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:51, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As you've pinged me, I'll respond here. WP:NOTSILENCE applies to your intention expressed here: If you are unwilling to discuss, I'll assume consensus that you do not want to take this further and revert it to back how it was. You made this comment after I had already responded on the article talk. I'll respond regarding your actions on the article talk page. Cambial foliage❧ 20:06, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Cambial Yellowing: I'm not accusing of anything, I said I feel this, because that's my understanding. If i'm wrong, please clear and understanding. My understanding was that you seem to be avoiding conversation (i.e: you didn't want to create a discussion on the talk page, you've asked me to not talk on your talk page, and you've suggested genres to probably not be included. If we can't agree on genres, I don't think including them makes for a sensible solution here. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:15, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say you were accusing; what are you talking about? I asked you not to post on my talk page long after you made that comment, so it obviously was not a factor in your decision to make that comment. Cambial foliage❧ 20:22, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like we're both thinking we both have it in for each other here. :) Perhaps we should take this from a fresh start with no presumptions? I'd like to clear up the article if we could. It's become a convulted mess when were having discussions on about three different pages. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:25, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Son of Dracula (1943 film) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Vaticidalprophet -- Vaticidalprophet (talk) 05:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In this edit to the film article Hero of Rome, you added the sole review to a newly added "Reception" section. When apparently quoting the review, you wrote; "The review declared that the films had an "unconvincing and improbable" and that the dialogue was hampered by..."

An "unconvincing and improbable"... what? And you wrote "films" as plural... was that a typo? Anyway, I don't have access to the ref you attached, so could you review and clarify your entry, to address these two point? Thank you - wolf 15:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Argh. Let me get back to this. Don't currently have access to this source at the moment, but i'll get back to you shortly. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Thewolfchild: I clarified my own type-o. Hope this helps. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:25, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I saw it. Better now, thanks. - wolf 01:11, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Familiarise yourself with WP:UOWN. Your attention is drawn to this sentence: If an editor asks you not to edit their user pages, such requests should, within reason, be respected. Your behaviour has occasioned me to request you stay away, on multiple occasions. You can message me on article talk or your own w ping - I haven't muted you. Cambial foliage❧ 22:03, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from abusing warning or blocking templates. Doing so is a violation of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Please use the user warnings sandbox for any tests you may want to do, or take a look at our introduction page to learn more about contributing to the encyclopedia. Thank you. Cambial foliage❧ 18:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing. This includes repeated misuse of talk space templates. Tagging article infoboxes for discussion with no proposal to discuss, and refusing to discuss a change, is also not appropriate behaviour. Tags are not there as page features while you prepare a new draft. They exist to invite discussion: if you don’t want to discuss a change to the infobox, don’t use an inappropriate tag.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Cambial foliage❧ 06:23, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Cambial Yellowing: I have been working to dispute the situation with you on your talk page. You've called me a liar here, you have said I've refused to discuss it here (which isn't true, you delete every message I post on your talk page and you do not assume good faith when I try to explain myself, and you say my behaviour is "totally inappropriate" here. I've created a section on my draft section to try and work it out. And yes, I haven't worked on it the very second you asked, but please be patient. We can work it it out, even from your responses and name-calling, I am finding it harder and harder to believe you want to work it out. Andrzejbanas (talk) 09:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I asked you to stop lying, which is a fair response to your false assertion that the removal of the tag was because you haven't replied in about 3 days. The reason was, as stated, because you haven't discussed the infobox that you tagged.

Your wall of text 3 weeks ago did not contain a proposed change to the infobox, which, again, is the section you tagged.

I proposed one from your summary. You indicated no opposition, but reverted the change anyway.

I asked what you found problematic to the changes to the infobox. You ignore the question, talk about the article body.

I ask again what change you wish to see the infobox - that you tagged. You say you do have a proposed change, but refuse to share it.

I ask again (as you insist on retaining the "discuss" tag) what genres you wish to change. You continue editing but ignore the discussion, so I ask for your proposal and point out to you the purpose of the tag. You claim you are discussing it (while also claiming you don't know what "it" is, despite you being the one tagging the infobox parameter).

I ask you again to discuss the issue that you tagged. You refuse, saying I removed it because you haven't replied in about 3 days.

3 weeks have passed, and in all your response you have not uttered a single word about any changes you wish to make to the section you tagged. The 3 days is very obviously (and explicitly) not the issue – the issue is your avoiding the issue you tagged in every talk page response – as I explained in the preceding post. The word lying in that context is a perfectly reasonable description (and your assertion that I called you "a liar" is false.

This is your final warning for abusing maintenance templates, both in article space and on user talk pages. Please either respond on article talk with some discussion of change to the parameter you tagged for discussion, remove the template, or leave it alone after I remove it. Maintenance templates are not a marker to be left on infoboxes while you spend as long as you wish thinking about how to word a different section of the article. Cambial foliage❧ 10:35, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You don't get to command people to remove templates. If you were not in the wrong, you'd remove it yourself, but you haven't, because you don't want to break WP:3RR (i'm assuming!). Anyways, i've discussed this topic for months, and have assumed good faith with you several times. Please have faith that i'm working on it, and as seen on the talk page, i've created a new template which i will be working on. I apologize if it's not at the pace you like, but you can at least check in on me or ask before just removing templates when things have not been settled. It doesn't hurt anything and encourages others to discuss. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not commanding you to remove templates. I'm saying you need to use them appropriately. Leaving on them on the page while you ponder what you think you might like to change, and refuse any discussion, is not an appropriate use. Cambial foliage❧ 16:02, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What rule am I breaking? Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:05, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All maintenance templates are designed to be temporary features to let other editors know that there is discussion ongoing. This includes the Neutrality/References/Length etc. templates and the generic one you used. If you do not wish to discuss any changes to the section, the template should not be left on the page (or put there in the first place). Maintenance templates are not to be abused, they are a tool to facilitate discussion. So far, you're the only person who says they want a discussion (I'm happy with infobox as it is). Yet you refuse all attempts to actually carry out the discussion – over a period 3 weeks. The rule is don't abuse templates – see the section heading here on your talk page. Cambial foliage❧ 16:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm specifically asking you to point out the wiki rule. Which one is it? Otherwise, this seems to be your opinion. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:58, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As you know, I've already done so on article talk. Once again: WP:NODISCLAIMERS, and also WP:CLEANUPTAG. Cambial foliage❧ 20:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What specific rule am I breaking in these? If you are using these as a "shame" you are misreading me. It's for others not you. You'll have to be more specific. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

From the first page: At the very least, tagging editors must be willing to follow through with substantive discussion. From the second page: Cleanup templates are by design temporary. They point to deficiencies in the article that should be corrected promptly. Substantive discussion means discussing the issue that you have tagged. Cambial foliage❧ 21:34, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there! Have you seen The 10th Victim? With Curti's book on Petri due to come out soon, I think it's high time we spruce up the article on his most famous movie besides Investigation of a Citizen..., hopefully to GA quality. The preview of Curti's book I've been able to generate on Google Books thankfully gave me the entirety of its section on the film (hopefully it works on your end, too) - I also have the Shameless DVD/Blu-ray (with its wonderfully cheesy lenticular cover!), which has a great interview with Kim Newman and Paola Petri. I also have downloaded two back issues of Video Watchdog that have some info on the movie, and have found a few scattered articles on a planned remake that was gestating for a few years but was never made. https://moviehole.net/wannabe-superman-remaking-tenth-victim/ https://www.screendaily.com/morgan-creek-tackles-tenth-victim/4018542.article https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Zeta-Jones-Victim-2930368.php https://variety.com/1999/film/news/victim-nabs-zeta-jones-1117502050/ https://www.ign.com/articles/2004/05/13/mctiernan-falls-victim https://www.screendaily.com/in-motion-exits-myriad-as-damico-reclaims-company/4010420.article https://www.ign.com/articles/2003/12/03/rollerball-claims-its-tenth-victim

The main things I'm struggling with in terms of finding worthwhile info are Piccioni's soundtrack, the film's Blu-ray releases, Sheckley's novelization and its follow-ups. I hope this is of interest! PatTheMoron (talk) 14:50, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's been on my list of things to watch, but I haven't seen it. Curti's book could help out. I'll try to contribute where/when I can! :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:56, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cool - I haven't watched it in a while myself; I'd prefer to focus on writing what I can for the article for the time being. PatTheMoron (talk) 15:10, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Sure. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:52, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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There is no evidence that the film had ever been known by this title anywhere in the world, so the title is incorrect. The two other sources with English-language titles for Toho's Tokusatsu films refer to it as Invisible Man. (Toho Special Effects Movie Complete Works p. 8 and Japan's Favorite Mon-Star: The Unauthorized Biography of the Big G p. 62) - Eiga-Kevin2 (talk) 8:47, October 8, 2021 (UTC)

I mean there is in the stated source. Whats the issue? Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, I want to change the title of the article. - Eiga-Kevin2 (talk) 4:37, October 8, 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for your edits and suggestions on the Lamberto Bava page. I hope what I have added meets your standards. Now please get to work on the television credits section. It isn't formatted right now and - horror of horrors! - everything after Turno di notte doesn't have a citation. Please save it quick! Udar55 (talk) 23:10, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, just used Allmovie.com as a source. You literally have no issue with it being the source on other films in his filmography and it clearly states the year, so I assume you will have no issue with it as a source. Spoiler: You will. Udar55 (talk) 23:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The issue with the AllMovie source is that the old version of the site (in the archive) use AllMovie's info that contains specific release information. The current sources you are using does not. Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:28, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• The list has already 755 films and occupies 157,648 bytes. Could you split them by decades? You used to make an idea about thriller films. --Beta Lohman (talk) 15:04, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Why do you keep undoing my edits? I have already added the Ishiro Honda: A Life in Film book source ages ago. View: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ishir%C5%8D_Honda&diff=1062081552&oldid=1062079401 - Eiga-Kevin2 (talk) 7:09, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Because you are adding English titles to films that have no English title. They were not released under these titles and appear to be just translations. It's misleading. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:09, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The translations are used in books and on the official website for Honda that's why they're used on the article. - Eiga-Kevin2 (talk) 9:47, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

yeah but those are just translations, not actual release titles. Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:14, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Honda's movies that aren't yet released outside of Japan will probably never be released internationally. Similarly, you referred to foreign films with translated titles instead of their native titles that haven't been released outside of their native countries through the translated titles. - Eiga-Kevin2 (talk) 4:56, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Regardless of what I call them, I don't think films on wikipedia should be referred to titles they weren't released under. I'd suggest we move conversation to the talk page of Honda where I have opened it up for larger discussion. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:13, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Technically the title which the films are released under is the translation though. - Eiga-Kevin2 (talk) 7:48, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Again, let's take this talk to the talk page of the article. Andrzejbanas (talk) 07:19, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you! It's been a mighty long time since I've been offered a Barnstar. :) I hope you have a great week. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:10, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey there. Thanks again for your great work on horror film articles. I was just wondering if there were any particular standout books on horror films from your research you could recommend? Looking for something mostly to read for pleasure, but sure it would help with wiki editing too. I'm particularly interested in Asian horror films but otherwise if there's a particular favourite of yours would be happy to hear it. Cheers! Arcahaeoindris (talk) 09:24, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Haha. The one i've found that's the most enjoyable to read that properly balances audience-like fandom without becoming to academic is Kim Newman and Jame Marriott's The Definitive Guide to Horror Movies which properly goes over the genre without thinking "then they stopped being good after Night of the Demon/slashers/the 90s" etc. As for Asian horror I find a lot of it to be very academic, but I quite enjoyed David Kalat's "J-Horror: The Definitive Guide to The Ring, The Grudge and Beyond" which goes into a bit of detail outside if Japanese horror and Kalat is also a very engaging author. I don't actually have a copy of that book on hand, but I remember borrowing it from the library and enjoying it. Kalat also gives very engaging commentaries on some films. Andrzejbanas (talk) 10:17, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For Asian cinema, I also liked Tom Mes's book on Shinya Tsukamoto which also properly goes over like a biography, proper academic readings and is a generally engaging read. Andrzejbanas (talk) 10:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like your GAN for Autobahn is listed for about a month and I have recently listed a GAN for the musician Stevie Ray Vaughan. If you could do the review for the Stevie Ray Vaughan article then I could offer to do the review for your nomination to try to move the articles forward. What do you think? ErnestKrause (talk) 23:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@Diannaa: Hi. I have never seen that before and it appears that Thesis is using the same sources I've applied. What can we do to resolve this issue? Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:56, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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We are just using the same quotes, and I've never seen these sources otherwise. This is not copyright infringement. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:40, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did remove one short quotation in my most recent edit. The problem is not quotations, it's the surrounding prose. Specifically:

• "William Paul suggested that hierarchies of taste and cultural value inform critical assessments of the horror genre at the level of "lower-class forms" such as the gross out film, declaring..."
• "horror cinema has been accepted as a valid area of film studies since at least the mid-1980s"
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@Diannaa:, These are all really basic sentences structures that only an algorithm would pick up as "copyright violation". and the way you've removed them makes it far more difficult to trace their sources I've dug up (among the dozens i have for the article) to actually fix them. What is the solution here? Andrzejbanas (talk) 05:12, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You could re-write the contewnt in your own words.— Diannaa (talk) 14:28, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dianna:, I can't re-write the content because it was pulled from three sources (some of which you've removed) and I can't see it anymore and I don't have any old draft version of this. As I've stated above, i've never ever seen the source you mention so I how can I re-write it if I can't even see the old content to make sure I don't re-write it the way it once was? Can you provide me the older version? Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:19, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you the removed material vial email.— Diannaa (talk) 21:12, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Diannaa: Thank you so much! :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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In your edit here, you claim that the crew list is "unsourced" and conveniently ignore that film infoboxes list cast and crew credits without needing explicit sourcing because the information is unlikely to be challenged per WP:V. In addition, it is a completely false claim that listing crew credits is WP:OR in any sense at all. You can argue that it is indiscriminate, but like I've already said, the "Cast" section is a more complete list of the infobox's "Starring" field, and a "Crew" list can be a more complete list of the infobox's crew fields. There is no consensus against crew lists, and please do not concoct false rationales for their removals. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:35, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Erik:, to clarify, i am not against having crew members in the article. What i'm against is when we re-iteration information without any context. All the crew members in that section are already cited and expanded upon with the prose. I suppose I should have expanded on my edit summary, but my bigger issue with material in wikipedia is that it has no context, or if it has context (i.e: the production section), why have it listed twice? (or three times, given that nearly all this information is in the infobox already?) We're both long time wikipedia editors, I think you can understand my point of view, even if you don't agree with it, but please believe and understand me when it's about a bias, i'm not against it per my own will, I just don't understand the point of it. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:35, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did a revert on my entry too, when all that needed to be done was go to the article about the person mentioned. AMCKen (talk) 21:21, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @AMCKen:. I removed your edit because you did not have a source. We don't use other wiki pages as sources on Wikipedia, so if you feel this information is needed, the onus (see WP:ONUS) is on you to add the source. If you need help with it or want to discuss it further i'd be happy to figure it out. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki articles link to each other hundreds of thousands of times. Is wikipedia NOT a reliable source? AMCKen (talk) 00:04, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No. See the rule Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Andrzejbanas (talk) 05:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@Thewolfchild:, I don't quite understand why you respond to things than get upset when you get a response. A week old post on wikipedia is hardly "ancient". I've responded to content years old just to clarify that something was indeed changed, addressed or fixed. If there is some rule or standard against that, I'd be curious to know it. I'll be commenting on your talk page if there are warnings to give, that is all, that's standard wiki stuff. Otherwise, i'm happy to give your space. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:26, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Stop pinging me. Stop with your disingenuous comments, threats, harrassment and baseless warnings. Stay. off. my. talk. page. I don't know how to make this any clearer; I have no interest in interacting with you any further. We are done here, that's it, that's all. Good day. - wolf 18:33, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your talk page says to Ping people. So I did. I'm sorry you are so frustrated, but expect me to comment further if you are talking to users. By the way, just bolding messages is not necessary. I'm able to read your posts. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:02, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Andrzejbanas, wondering if you could take a look at this edit of yours. ...In teo wealry indicative scnes,.... Trying to figure out what you mean. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 21:27, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I try to avoid edit wars like the plague if I can help it. If you want to remove the illustration from Son of Frankenstein, go ahead, I don't actually have a dog in this particular hunt, as the southerners used to say. In fact, you could delete the "Theatrical release poster" from the Infobox and go with a text-only motif if you prefer. I'm beginning to think that's your preference but I don't quite understand why. I imagine that your heart's in the right place, though, and we're all in this together. Cheers, Racing Forward (talk) 20:09, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm okay with adding images, but these strangely coloured lobby cards don't really enhance (they make the films look like two-strip technicolor films) and like, we generally don't just include every image we have just because they are available. If we can think of prose that enhances these images with sources (or prose) (which I went with on the House of Dracula ) to back it up, i'd be more convinced they enhance the article. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:27, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Andrzejbanas. Just wanted to let you know I saw your recent edit on The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974), I am currently working on expanding the article on the character Leatherface via a separate workspace and I have come to realize that the article on the original film is underdeveloped. A lot of information on the film's production is missing or underdeveloped and the Themes/Analysis section. Some work done to greatly expand these sections is necessary and i will try my hand at it if I come across some relevant information. I do feel the casting sub section in particular is a bit lazily done as it just has very little in it and just links to a list of the series characters which doesn't really give that kind of info. Anyways if you come across any information i could use for the Leatherface expansion let me know. I will try to do some edits to the film article when it allows. Paleface Jack (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Andrzejbanas. This might seem like an odd question, but do you still have access to Troy Howarth's So Deadly, So Perverse volume 1 & 2? I ask as you added references uses those works to Bruno Mattei (this was back in 2017, so it's a stretch). The issue I'm looking into is whether the film's Zombi 3, After death and Island of the Living Dead appear in volume 1 or 2. At the moment they are referenced to Howarth 2015, but both volumes where published in the same year. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 21:32, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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If you have a legitimate reason to believe that a film's actual genre is anything different than the genres that are ascribed to it on its IMDb profile, then by all means find the appropriate sourcing needed to move it from one genre category to another genre category. But WP:FILM has an active project under way to clean up base national categories such as Category:Italian films and Category:Swiss films so that they're emptied of individual films because all films have been moved to appropriate subcategories instead of being filed directly in "Country films" -- which means that the single most important principle right now, to which all other considerations are entirely secondary, is to get Category:Italian films, Category:Swiss films and Category:Japanese films completely emptied out to absolute zero as soon as feasibly possible. (A few are taking longer than others did for size reasons, I'll admit, but all of them need to be emptied out and there cannot be films getting reverted back into base national film categories they're supposed to be getting removed from.)

So if you doubt that Shatterer's genre is what IMDb says Shatterer's genre is, then you're perfectly free to find other sources to support moving it from one genre category to another genre category. But the number one priority right now is empty the base national categories out to absolute zero, IMDB is an entirely rational place to check for what the expected genre categories are if a film hasn't already been subcategorized for genre yet, and if you have reason to doubt that IMDb's genre classifications are correct then your option is find another genre category to move it to, not "revert it back into categories that it absolutely must be removed from". The overarching most important issue here is getting the national film categories emptied out of films that shouldn't be there, and quibbles about whether IMDB is right or wrong about the genre are to be dealt with by moving a film to other genre categories if necessary, and not by unemptying categories that need to be emptied. Bearcat (talk) 01:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You see we don't use what IMDb says either per WP:RS/IMDb @Bearcat:. I'd just leave the cat empty if you feel it must be attributed to a genre. Andrzejbanas (talk) 02:07, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That means we don't take IMDb as gospel if it says something different than what other sources say, or cite content to IMDb as our footnotes. It does not mean that we're not allowed to even consult IMDb in any context whatsoever. And all films must always be in at least one "nationality + genre" category, while no film should be in any "just nationality without a subcategorization criterion" categories at all anymore, with absolutely no special isolated exceptions to either of those rules under any circumstances — so no, just completely removing all categories that make any reference to nationality at all isn't an alternative either. Bearcat (talk) 02:15, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Find a better source man. Also, your sourcing style would be against WP:STICKTOSOURCE, as combinging crime drama like you did would not be specifically what the citation says. and per WP:SUBJECTIVE, you need an actual source to back it up, not just pulling from IMDb. I'm sorry, but find something better than the convenience of IMDb. Andrzejbanas (talk) 02:27, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, there are several thousand films that still need to be cleaned up for inclusion in categories they shouldn't be in. But the job can't just be completely abandoned as unimportant, and it can't turn into a years-long project of having to track down several thousand different sources from several thousand different archives — it has to get done, and it has to get done now, which means each article has to be dealt with as quickly as possible.

Secondly, categorization by nationality is mandatory — you are not at liberty to just pull the film entirely out of the Category:Italian films, Category:Swiss films or Category:Japanese films trees if their nationality isn't what you're disputing. An Italian film must be in at least one category that has the word "Italian" in it, a Swiss film must be in at least one category that has the word "Swiss" in it, and on and so forth — and this is not an option you're free to ignore, it's mandatory that all films must be categorized appropriately based on country. But since there's an active cleanup project underway which requires films to be moved out of the base "Italian films" and "Swiss films" categories themselves and into appropriate subcategories instead, that means the film has to be in at least one "Country genre films" category for every relevant country, because it still must be in the appropriate nationality trees.

So, again: if you have reason to doubt that IMDb is correct about the film's genre, then you're free to move the film from one genre category to another genre category as needed. But reverting the film back into categories it has to be moved out of is not an option, and just removing nationality-genre categories so that the film has been completely yanked out of the Category:Films by country tree entirely is not an option — your options are move the film from one genre category to another genre category if you're so certain that the genre is wrong, or leave the categories alone. The film must be in categories that have the words "Italian", "Swiss" and "Japanese" in them, but cannot be left in just "Italian films", "Swiss films" or "Japanese films" without a genre label between country and film, and with several thousand films still to be cleaned up it is not my responsibility to invest hours and hours of research into each individual one of those several thousand films . If you don't like the genre categories that a film is in, then you're free to move it to other genre categories — but you are free neither to completely remove any form of categorization by nationality at all, or to revert it back into undifferentiated parent categories that the film project is actively trying to empty out. Bearcat (talk) 03:09, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a matter of IMDb being correct or not, it's that genre is subjective (per WP:SUBJECTIVE). So you'll need a source, you can't just bank it on IMDb, there is no rush to fix up these categories in a thing most users won't even notice. It's not that it's wrong or correct, it's that it's not a good way to go about cleaning articles. So no, the WP:ONUS is on you to add genres from a valid source. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:13, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! My bad, it should have been 2021, not the 2022 or 2021b. Just mixed up a year. Thanks for catching that. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:16, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, do you by any chance have a copy of this 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray of Tremors by Arrow Video? I was thinking of improving the article using the 60-page booklet that comes with the Blu-ray as a source, particularly the original press kit and the Kim Newman essay. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 15:19, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have the 4K disc, but I do have the Blu-ray with the Booklet if you want to use some content from it @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:56, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as long as it's the same thing, great! You wouldn't mind sending me a copy of those pages, would you? I think I can get them from you via wikimail. Let me know if you're OK with it and I'll send you a wikimail to provide me with the pages. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 05:24, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if I can send you a copy of the pages, but I'd be happy to contribute information from them in point form that might be useful for you as that's quite a bit easier. Andrzejbanas (talk) 05:37, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is that so? Forget it, then. It would be much easier for me if I used copies of offline sources I don't have access to. Thanks, and happy holidays. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 05:51, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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In your edit summary, you wrote the following: per infobox standards, we avoid the words "Records" at the end of labels. I did not know this and would like to read more. Can you show me where you read this? dannymusiceditor ^oops 18:04, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! As said elsewhere, on Template:Infobox album, "Drop words like "Records" from the end of the label's name (e.g. use Universal rather than Universal Records). For multiple entries, see Notes for details.". Hope that helps! Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:22, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, Andrzejbanas. This is a courtesy notice that the copy edit you requested for Island of Lost Souls (1932 film) at the Guild of Copy Editors requests page is now complete. All feedback welcome! Cheers, Baffle☿gab 07:42, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please note this is not a review of your nomination for the film Island of Lost Souls, merely just another editor's perspective. First off I think its really well developed as it is so I do not see any problems there, the main thing I would point out is in its sources. Not so much the unreliability of them, since they are all very reliable, but there seems to be an imbalance of literary/periodical sources with modern-day online sources. There are plenty of sources from reliable websites and authors that can and should be added to the article just to give it a little more balance in physical sources and digital sources. There are a couple that I will personally add while I am at it but the rest I will leave up to your skills. If you have any questions feel free to contact me. Paleface Jack (talk) 17:01, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the kind words! What kind of online sources would you think would require adding? I'm a bit hesitant sometimes of briefer online sources for older film articles as they aren't usually as in-depth or well-researched, but am curious on what you'll dig up for it. The help on improving any article is appreciated. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:07, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrzejbanas: Looking over the bulk of the article, there is a heavy reliance on Gregory Mank's information within the production section and throughout the article. Finding additional sources, from my experience to back everything up so the information is not relying on one source is pretty crucial. I think the writing you have in the production section is pretty sound so I have no issue there. However, reception and legacy sections need some cleaning up in wording and structure. My main issue with these sections are that there is a lot of quotations and also, if my memory serves me correctly, it was not as well received during its initial release date as it was in later reevaluations. There has been a lot more influence from this film in other works and that should be added into the legacy section. I always use the structure of the article for The Thing as my baseline as it covers and is very well structured with these sorts of articles. Anyways if you have more questions just let me know, I am gonna head back to the Leatherface article and some other projects of mine. Happy editing mate!--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:58, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I appreciate the look see. I'm sorry I didn't get around to looking at Leatherface, I've had trouble organizing my priorities lately. I agree with you on Mank, but despite the generally well received nature of the film, there isn't much on it's production. Most old horror books focus on the Universal films or ones that have a heavier lean towards prestige directors (Whale, Browning, etc.). Mank is the only one who really did a grand overview of Island, both in writing and he provides the audio commentary on Criterion disc. It's a bit hard to escape.

I'm definitely guilty of over-quoting in reception, and I do this too much. I think i'm just paranoid about not perserving the tone and wording of a review otherwise. I'll see if I can go over Leatherface later, but you generally do a really good job with these things, so I'm never too concerned. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:40, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article cites "Lor. 1991" but no such source is listed in the bibliography. Can you please add? Also, suggest installing a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: [[User:Svick/HarvErrors.js]] to your common.js page. Thanks, Renata•3 00:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ack! I'll add it now. Must've missed it in my editing drive-bys. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Allmovie has been listing some films in a very weird way, now it considers The Godfather a Thriller and Heat an adventure film. Firefoxhd (talk) 18:13, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not much we can do about that. We should generally try to look at what the majority of sources call a film than specifically rely on AllMovie, but I've had some luck contacting them on changing some factually wrong or even subjectively wrong stuff in the past. Maybe give that a shot? Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:10, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I love that film too and own a blu-ray copy of the Criterion edition.

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Awesome! Thanks for doing this. I don't mind the hook at all. Glad to meet a fellow fan! :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes! Sorry I didn't input much on the topic. Thanks for taking the initiative! Hope it made some people want to explore the film! :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:55, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, its been a while since I nominated the Leatherface article for GA, and I have been looking it over and wanting to rework the video citations in a better and more precise way using the rp template. unfortunately it makes the resulting citations look a little wonky and I was wondering if there is any way I can remedy that. Paleface Jack (talk) 17:30, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Hey. I tend to like to cite audio in short form with time-sets. An example of that can be seen on some of the later citations in the recent Island of Lost Souls article I wrote. Is that what you meant? Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:55, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is what I had originally, I changed it into a different format--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The new format is in RP cause I wanted to consolidate all the audio and video citations that had timestamps. it still seems off and I might make it a separate note just for timestamps. Any thoughts?--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:56, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe show me an example of what you are thinking? I wouldn't stress how the citations are organized too much as long as they are readable. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:05, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is best to do what you suggest Paleface Jack (talk) 15:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello,

Your recent edits on the page were maybe done in good faith but your indiscriminate removal of content is really not helpful. Cast, Source from Cinematografo (very reliable), categories (that I HAD SOURCED, despite what you say your edit summary (and I am quite certain, to tell the truth, that your subsequent edits were done because your realised that yourself and find nothing to say about those categories, after all), etc. Please go to the Talk page if you should disagree with anything I add/re-add. Thank you very much. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:18, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you want content added, the onus is on you to find reliable sources. Stating cast members are in it under uncredited names, is original research, you'll need something outside some fan blogs or genre wikis to back this up. The film barely seems to pass notability standards either way. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:26, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There was a source but YOU REMOVED IT.

AND it was reliable. Just see the page History.

Notability? That film? Please. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:30, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored the database one. that was my mistake. I apologize. But the others are just blogs and wikis, which we definitely don't use. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:44, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:50, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, I appreciate your tolerance. I was definitely being over-zealous. I have a copy of Curti's book so I've tried expanding what little information there is about this giallo. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:51, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NB- I just re-added the Slasher categories but I did so without having seen you had made one edit summary with an explanation about those very categories... just saw it now. . I would tend to call this film a Slasher film (they all have their throats slit...) but feel free to remove those categories if you think the article insufficiently states that the film does really belong to that particular genre. I'm leaving the page for now. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:09, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, I don't necisarily disagree with you, but per WP:STICKTOSOURCE, we shouldn't interpret "oh well it's got slasher elements". In genre studies, it's becoming a bit controversial to say that something belongs to a genre when the genre wasn't something that actively was discussed. (The term "Slasher film" doesn't really come into play until the release of the Friday the 13th films in the early 1980s). So it would be a bit of an Anachronism to say this. That being said, if you could find good sources that specifically call this film that genre, then by all means go ahead. In the meantime, I'd leave it out. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:12, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Just wanted to give you a heads up, my GA nomination for Leatherface was reviewed and immediately failed to pass. I wont go completely into my opinion that it was a lazy review, but there are some points that confuse me. Ones such as it was too long and way too detailed is confusing to me because I tried my hardest to not go into excessive detail with it and keep it structured and easily navigable. I removed some information that I find is trivial without compromising the scope and tone of the article. Just need some advice or help with this thing. Paleface Jack (talk) 18:54, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've been a bit busy with work being a bit weird but I was going to perhaps attempt the GA review myself. It is an excessively long article which is something that is also cutting into The Exorcist article as well as my own attempts at writing an article on Dracula (1931).

Some points

• Not a really wiki rule, but I'd try to avoid terms like "antagonist" and "protagonist". These always come off as a bit "high school essay" and I rarely see them in serious writings on fiction.
• Maybe slow down on slightly peacocky terms like "icons" unless someone is referring to them as that specifically. Horror fiction characters are characters, icons is a bit less neutral.
• The Film section seems to maybe over state the plots of the films which kind of is already done on The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (franchise) article. I'd maybe cut them down to just retaining to information overall about the character and how they change throughout (perhaps losing the extra bits about cast of other people too, as again, this is about Leatherface)

Working on that now--Paleface Jack (talk) 15:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Not sure if just citing the comics as how different or not-different they are from the original film is reliable or not. If anything, this just sort of seems a bit fancrufty.

Yeah I see what you mean. The sad thing is I tried to find a single source to narrow that down like what happened with Jason, however, because of the changing of rights there is no official website that does a complete listing, so I had to cite the source itself.--Paleface Jack (talk) 15:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Not sure again if we should say some things are canonical or not as even the film series has several sequels to the "original film". Who is to say which one is now the "real" one.

Yeah, that is not worth the time cause of the frequent retcons and stuff its gonna make things more confusing.--Paleface Jack (talk) 15:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Leatherface making his "literary debut" and citing the book in question might require a quote to apply that. Does the book say this is the first novelization of the story/character? Probably better to cite a third party for this kind of info, as it comes off a bit WP:OR.
• Honestly, a lot of content is just "Leatherface makes an appearance in this Texas Chainsaw media, he makes an appearance in that one." None of this has a lot of meat to its bones to really tell the user anything too much that the franchise article would probably handle in a list. So much of it could probably just be lumped into a legacy connection just stating "Leatherface has shown up in several (if not all? a source for this wouldn't hurt) comics, novelizations and video games based on the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Then after that, maybe going into detail on when he shows up outside his own series and perhaps, why the creators of that form wanted him or how he was received there (i.e: the Mortal Kombat game, that Friday the 13th crossover, etc.)

How do you suggest I write it?--Paleface Jack (talk) 15:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Probably can just cut little bits on describing non-Chainsaw stuff. We don't really need that nationality of Gunnar, we don't really need to know in the influences that someone is a serial killer and a rapist, as I don't think leatherface rapes anyone in any of the films (i think...i hope!)

Well not stated in the film but in the commentary of the film by the makers they do state that he did r** someone and they had a kid.--Paleface Jack (talk) 15:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Perhaps it would be easier in the design/portrayal/etc. collection to create a table saying who portrayed Leatherface and it's creators to trim some fat and you can cut to the chase on the major differences and portrayals.

Was thinking about that, but some problems with just a table is kinda cheatsy. Cutting to major differences will be better while also showing how they prepared and what they experiances in parts.--Paleface Jack (talk) 15:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• "other more popular popular slashers" double word
• Sections where his look, appearance, psychology etc. that are similar to previous ones or based on previous ones could probably be lumped together instead of chronologically.

Agreed, just have to figure out a good way of doing that.--Paleface Jack (talk) 15:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Lately, I'm finding in character articles it's important to cut the fluff. Compare the excessive detail in this article to the cut and lean form of Jill Valentine as way to trim the fat. For example, i've been trying to do it bit by bit in Count Dracula in popular culture by removing every instance "Dracula" shows up in a film, and instead giving a more important "bigger picture". I.e: "Dracula appearance in the Hammer Horror and Universal films has been the more predominant influence on the character in pop culture at large rather than his appearance in the book" or "By the 1970s, Dracula in animated television has lots most of its threatening nature and appears closer to a character who would appear in shows likes The Archies" over listing every instance he's shown up.

I hear you, I am starting to work on Gill-Man and revamping that one which is a huge challenge, so I get it.--Paleface Jack (talk) 15:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I know this was a long read, (which is kind of against the point of the advice in general), but generally keep it focused on the character and what it is important on the character rather than filling in information that could be applied at large to individual film articles, or the series article as a whole @Paleface Jack:. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:10, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No need to apologize, this was one of the most entertaining reviews I have had and you did pretty well keeping it in the butcher/leatherface theme (the cutting the fat bit was superb). It will take a while and considering how complex the character is, some detail needs to stay. Anyways thanks mate.--Paleface Jack (talk) 15:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, if writing something huge is a lot of work, cutting it down somehow even harder! Glad you at least got a kick out of it. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:08, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Paleface Jack:, whups. Just realized there was a bunch of comments in between. I would take the article to a draft page in your own user article. Try to go through your own content here and lump in the biggest consistencies of what could be merged and what is probably more "Texas Chainsaw" bigger picture and what is more "Leatherface" specific. Lately, I've been trying to leave out more minute details unless the creator or some critic has something very specific and interesting to say about it. One example is something I've done with some video game articles lately is not listing every list I can find that says "JerkSiteTheSiteForJerks put Leatherface at number two on their best masked villains list" and more like "Leatherface has appeared on several "best of" character lists, such as [magazine]'s in 1989, [blahblahweb.net] in 2002 and " so forth which just sort of says that the character has been in the cultural consciousness for decades more so than "i googled Leatherface and copy + pasted every list I could find". Only a few I make a bigger deal out of, like i really liked Time Out's list of "Top 100 Horror Films" as it actually polled, critics, writers, and creators in the field instead of it just being some random listicle, it almost felt as prestigious as Sight & Sound's directors and critics polls. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:18, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't see how "techno hip hop" can't be used as a sourced genre. Genres are used in a similar fashion all the time, like "new wave synth-pop", or electro funk. Genres come in hundreds of forms rather than being limited. The way 'Jam on Revenge' was described in the Rap Reviews article made it seem like it was open to interpretation, considering that techno itself is a genre and it originated in the 80's. I followed all the rules regarding sourced genres, but still faced penalty. It just seems like a case of gatekeeping rather than helping a novice editor. Misterspaceman (talk) 18:26, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because it says techno hip hop, and that should not be interpreted as techno. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:35, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And this is why Wikipedia is criticized. When new editors try to help and they make a mistake, they are penalized and faced with gatekeeping instead of getting the help they need. Wikipedia is considered a community, but the way new editors are treated doesn't reflect that. Misterspaceman (talk) 18:42, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What do you propose I do different? Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:35, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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You have done some good work on Wikipedia, which I had a frontseat view for while performing a couple of your GA reviews, so it is a little disconcerting to see a lack of care on researching this particular issue. I believe it would be helpful to what I assume is your goal of bringing Phoenix up to GAN status to stop adding incorrect facts to the article.

Brett Weiss's book is a reference guide, and therefore a tertiary source, the least authoritative of all sources. It briefly reviews literally hundreds of games, so there is no way he carefully investigated them all. It is also not billed as a work of history; the official description of the book states that each entry "includes publisher/developer information and the release year, along with a detailed description and, frequently, the author's critique." So again, one would not expect him to be engaged in rigorous historical research for this project outside of an understanding of how each game plays.

I don't say this to denigrate Mr. Weiss or any enjoyment you have taken from his work. His book is fun; I own it. But every source ever written on the history of anything in the world, from the Pulitzer Prize winners to the abject dumpster fires has mistakes in it. My own work has mistakes in it. It is inevitable. That is why anyone doing historical writing cannot afford to take the word of a single author when they make a claim, especially when no sources are cited to back that claim up. I tried very hard to find any authoritative source that backed up his assertion, as I believe getting it right is far more important than being right, but I can find nothing in the vast repository of sources I have collected in nearly two decades of professionally researching the industry that supports this claim in any credible way.

All that said, Wikipedia runs on consensus. You want to bring other editors to the talk page to look at the competing evidence, feel free. If more people feel the way you do then I am bound by Wikipedia's conventions to accept it and move on to something far more important. I do realize whether or not Pleiades was marketed as a sequel is a minor point in our grand march towards the heat death of the universe, but inaccuracies on Wikipedia have a way of obtaining outsized influence due to its reach, so I do consider it important to expunge inaccurate facts in my areas of expertise when I find them, no matter how admittedly trivial. Indrian (talk) 06:37, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Indrian:. I appreciate you reaching out. I want to make this work out so to cut it short, I'm not 100% gaga about having it listed as a sequel either, but I didn't realize it was cause that much controversy. I've suggested on the articles talk page (as I've found sources discussing this), that the other games does draw a lot from Phoenix, perhaps we could include in that list of Phoenix clones? I'd be happy with that solution, and I appreciate your diligence on editing and trying to clean up the article. I know Wikipedia can be a nonsense nightmare of arguments and bad content, please assume good faith I want to find a solution, but just be clear, my heart isn't set on it being listed as a sequel, as even if it is, there's little narrative or important value in that if there is such little information about it. Nobody is going to be too confused by this missing/trivial detail. Thoughts? Andrzejbanas (talk) 06:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is perfectly acceptable to me. I am glad we could talk this out. Indrian (talk) 06:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Great! :) It's always nice when a wiki interaction doesn't go sour. I'll fiddle with it at the moment. Thanks for taking a look at the article, I've tried to tackle some of these old games when I had no resources many years ago with little luck outside cleaning up infobox stuff. It has been a lot of fun to finally give these old game article some nicer polish. Andrzejbanas (talk) 06:58, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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You're not acting in good faith by reverting my edits to River Raid. I'm adding legitimate information to the article and you've decided you own the article. Why not make proactive edits and help find sources for the information I've added instead of pretending to be "helpful" by "enforcing the rules"? Nobody elected you "Protector of Wikipedia"; also, you've made no attempt at discussing the matter with me, instead resorting to unilateral reversions of another (experienced) editor's additions to the article. There is no need to immediately remove such information without even giving the initial editor time to add sources. Also, why aren't you "policing" the other hundreds of thousands of video game articles for citations? Why are you singling out one article? Bumm13 (talk) 13:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how removing content that is unsourced is acting in bad faith. I don't disagree with you that they are released on those systems, but just adding them to the infobox is not a solution. You are an experienced editor, so I didn't tag you with a warning on your talk page. But yeah, for several reasons, we shouldn't just add the list of systems the game was released for without a source. I don't want to have to tag WP:RS, WP:OR, WP:BURDEN, but if you want that content added, you'll have to have reliable sources. As for reaching out, following the last revert, I posted a discussion about it on River Raid's talk page. If there is no reason to immediately add or remove information, then there is no rush in re-adding it without a source as that can be found in time. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:49, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the proper way to disambiguate these articles? You moved Alien (Atari 2600) to Alien (1982 video game), but Alien (Avalon Hill) also exists. BOZ (talk) 18:13, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BOZ:. Oh boy, might have bungled that one. Is that Avalon Hill called "The Alien"? Promotional material and box art say "The Alien", but inside the games title screen, it's called "Alien" it seems. when this happens, perhaps disambiguate them per company? ("Alien (1982 Fox video game)" and "Alien (1982 Avalon Hill video game)"? Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That might be a reasonable way to handle that. BOZ (talk) 23:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi @Andrzejbanas: There's recent comment about "Release history" table. Feel free if you want to. 2402:1980:45A:B6A8:0:0:0:1 (talk) 06:44, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you! :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:56, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Despite us falling on opposite sides of inclusion in this debate, I do want to mention that your efforts are still appreciated. There is still a lot of work to do in this realm. I know I've come across quite a few genre mashup articles in the past that are supposedly legit subgenres but had questionable sourcing. Hopefully the outcome of this discussion, whatever that may be, doesn't discourage you. Just wanted to drop a quick note, thanks! --GoneIn60 (talk) 18:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No I appreciate it, I'm trying to find something. Thanks for the words of encouragement. I think Kim Newman made it more clear that it's a very small small genre/subgerne, so that explains why it's difficult to write about without WP:OR. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:48, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you assume ownership of articles, as you did at Talk: Horror film. Trying one more time here on your talk to get you to stop this disruptive behavior. Valereee (talk) 13:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, where can you show me that I've had ownership over the article? Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:21, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. The first objection was here, where you wrote in the edit summary there are certainly horror films set during Christmas, but without some page citation from that book, all the other articles just connect the dots that "here are a list of alternative Christmas films" or "here are some horror films set around Christmas time" without really isolating it as a genre. So, yes, you were objecting to it as a genre. So I went and got those page citations and, since I thought that was your objection and I'd dealt with it, added the info back.
2. Your second objection was here, where you complained that I had added the info back without addressing concerns, which wasn't true.
3. You then argued of the sources that none of them describe it as a genre, which wasn't true, and in fact in the content you'd removed I'd quoted the book source calling it a genre three different times.
4. You then argued that it wasn't well-defined. I pointed out that it doesn't have to be well-defined in order to exist, and that an entire book of essays about the genre had been published by an established publisher.
5. You then argued that you didn't find the book's arguments convincing.
6. You then argued that seems irregularly represented against other horror cycles here such as the slasher, teen horror film, or the slasher. I pointed out that Teen horror doesn't even exist except as a redirect here.
7. You then told me that if I didn't even know what a genre cycle was, I shouldn't be trying to write about film.
8. You argued calling it a genre was FRINGE.
9. You then argued that nothing in the sources]] provided any value to the reader. I pointed out that my proposed addition told the reader The essential understanding readers take away is that horror includes a subgenre of Christmas horror. It seems to have a history, to have emerged as a genre fifty years ago and have been referred to as a subgenre as recently as two years ago. Those are things readers may want to know about the overall genre.
10. You then argued that you never heard the term in common use.
11. You argued that an entire book of essays about the genre published by an established publisher wasn't sufficient to show the genre existed, saying, I repeat, this is not a substantial sub-genre, despite there being a book by a non-academic on the topic.
12. You Diff/1199086783argued that other than the book, there were only listicles. I pointed out that NPR and Hollywood Reporter both were calling it a genre or subgenre and giving it lengthy treatment.
13. You argued that you've found errors published in books by that publisher and implied NPR and HR were well-disguised listicle content. Which is not true, both describe the genre and its appeal at length. The fact they mention multiple highly-regarded examples does not make those articles listicles.
14. You argued that there was nothing in the three sources that provided valuable information. Twice.
15. At this point, two other editors came in and agreed it was a legitimate genre. And you said, I'm not saying that there isn't such a genre, but due to it's sort of wobbly discussion, there is no real way to make it stand on it's own as it hasn't received critical attention. This is why I'm iffy on including it here, and not calling for a removal on the article or anything on it's own. The discussion isn't so much if it's real or not anymore, it's how we can include it here with saying something that gives the genre prominence. As I can't even write that on my own (and I've tried), I'm not sure what the best method is to include it. Which is indeed starting to sound a bit WP:OWNy -- if you can't write it, it doesn't go in?

One of the other editors also suggested language, which I supported, and you started the whole rigamarole over with his proposal. He finally agreed with me that we'd done our due diligence and his third opinion provided consensus, and we added the language, and you reverted again saying there was no consensus, which wasn't true. And you're still at it, complaining that neither of us has explained what the issue is. That could be another 15 diffs. Do you really need me to go dig them up? Valereee (talk) 13:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll admit, I've changed my stance on the genre as time went on. Mostly because of your further work in finding citations, which I think you did a great job with. I still stand that it's "it wasn't well-defined." and you know who agrees with me? The Author of your book you cite where he states "The Christmas genre is difficult to define". I did call it fringe, and you know who agrees? Kim Newman, who calls it very small subgenre. I did call NPR and Hollywood Reporter into question, not that they were valid sources, but for the content. One of them calls Silent Night, Bloody Night a christmas horror, but Rue Morgue rightfully points out "the connection to christmas ends with the title". I don't think you were trying to add that in maliciously, but I don't think that should be there either for reasons which are obvious. Now, you have started two threads within the talk page making conversation very hard to keep track of for myself, and I can only imagine what other editors would think trying to navigate that. And yes, I did have trouble writing it, and after I did, you both said it was too different from what you wrote, and why? Because I find more sources and did more research beyond what you have done. Your edits have mostly been saying you think I own the article, but not on what the edits are. I reverted your last edit, because I assumed it was in you just saying "I'm going to change it tomorrow". Two threads, about the same topic going on at once, would confuse anyone. You've used wordings like "i'm not going away" and have edited your own posts to make them appears less threatening. removal of ":D". Please assume good faith, I'm trying to make the article better, not worse, and have been trying to accomodate your requests of..well...I barely know what they are because It's difficult to try and contribute when each edit is you attacking my character instead of commenting what you dislike or like about the suggestions I've made. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We've been discussing this for over 11K words. You are being disruptive. If your revert was in error, go revert yourself. Valereee (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like this is a threat to force an acknowledgement of something I did not. It wasn't in error, it was a misunderstanding. Could you expand on the new material i've suggested instead of me as a person? Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:57, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it was a misunderstanding, please go revert yourself. Valereee (talk) 14:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be dodging my questions, which I find to be highly suspect. I feel like you are trying to make me agree to something (and I don't know what), that I may or may not agree with. I don't edit things other false pretenses. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]