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I think I've corrected your mistake with Texas A&M University College of Engineering and done the move you were originally trying to do. The RM wasn't needed as it was a technical move request really. Let me know if any issues! -Kj cheetham (talk) 22:27, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Kj cheetham, thank you very much for your help! I am eternally grateful for your assistance. Aquabluetesla (talk) 22:40, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Happy to help. :) -Kj cheetham (talk) 22:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Aquabluetesla: Just to let you know an editor at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion is try to get all political userboxes deleted. I am sending you this message since you created some of them. Catfurball (talk) 21:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey, just noting that some of your comments in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texas A&M University College of Liberal Arts are arguably violations of our policy against personal attacks directed at other editors. The community typically extends some leeway for editors in a stressful situation to blow off steam without facing consequences, but if you turn making comments like this one into a habitual pattern it is likely to result in sanctions against your ability to participate in deletion discussions and/or edit more broadly. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:35, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rosguill, that user has been trying to WP:BAIT me on several pages now, including R. Bowen Loftin's (1) and (2), the second was after I first edited this to include their first edit, and they continue to monitor every single edit I make, see Talk:President of Texas A&M University. I am at a loss for what I can do. They seem to be unable to WP:Let it go. Yes, arguably, many would not consider that to be against guidelines. That message was not a "personal attack", but was rather nice and grateful for the attention directed at my other contributions. The original message I responded to was far worse in that regard. Aquabluetesla (talk) 16:48, 11 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey, just a tip - it's generally considered very bad etiquette to edit comments in a thread after the fact. It's okay to make minor grammar corrections, but changing much more makes it extremely confusing, if not borderline impossible, to discuss things. If you do make changes, I'd suggest just using a strikethrough on text you don't want to be there anymore or noting what you've added after the fact. Toa Nidhiki05 14:26, 7 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• I would say it's usually fine to edit your own comments after the fact, but only if someone hasn't responded to it already. Once they have, it should be set-in-stone. ~ HAL333 17:25, 7 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You seem to be new to Wikipedia with a vested interest in the affairs of Texas, but you are a little confused about what a "Comanche name" really is and how the spellings that you think are "Comanche" are not. Let's use Cynthia Ann Parker as an example. Her name in Comanche was Na'ura (I'll use the easier-to-type ' for the harder to type ʔ to represent the glottal stop). The na- is a passive prefix on the verb 'ura 'find', thus "Was Found". The Americans who regularly came along with the Army to "pacify" the Comanche were rarely speakers of Comanche (and that's being generous). So they didn't really care about accuracy in terms of transcription, but just adapted the sounds to what they "heard" with their English-speaking ears. One of the most common listening errors was moving that r-sound up in front of rounded vowels and glides. Thus, Na'ura > Nar/dua (that 'r' is phonetically a tap like the "d" in the middle of "rider", not an approximant like the "rr" in the middle of "borrow"). Thus both "Narua" and "Nadua" are anglicized version's Cynthia Ann's Comanche name Na'ura. The same thing happened with Ten Bears' name in English. The first half of his name isn't relevant because the Comanche word for "ten" wasn't too far off from the Anglicized version, but the second half, the "Bears" part, shows the same r-movement from English speakers in the 19th century. The word for "grizzly bear" in old Comanche (the word has been lost in modern Comanche due to the extinction of the grizzly on the South Plains late in the 19th century) was pawɨɨra (based on pa- 'big' + wɨɨra 'bear'). Once again, English speakers moved the "r" up in front of the rounded glide, thus Pawɨɨra > Parua. This happened regularly between Comanche and English in the South Plains. (In Utah, the Shoshoni name Tuuwɨɨta "Black Bear" [the "t" in Shoshoni is pronounced the same as the Comanche "r"] became Tooele [tuwɪlə] in English so it didn't always happen, perhaps because the Mormons listened to Shoshoni more carefully than the Texans listened to Comanche.) So be more careful about what you call an "Anglicization" and what you call a "Comanche name". "Narua" and "Nadua" are BOTH Anglicizations of Cynthia Ann's Comanche name, which was Na'ura. TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 17:25, 8 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• ...anglicized versions of Cynthia Ann's Comanche name...

TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 22:26, 8 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes I will admit I was confused, I am interested in linguistics and I have some experience with IPAs (Tixtla, Tixtla de Guerrero (municipality)) but I have no knowledge of how to do a Comanche language IPA and didn't know of the "ʔ" character before this. I had assumed that her name was given as "Narua" in the Comanche dictionary and "na-uhru" was "the Comanche construction". I have known about the glottal stop from reading, Empire of the Summer Moon by S.C. Gwynne, which is mostly an excellent book, other than some its sensationalization of violence and barbarousness. I have also made similar edits to Isatai'i and Mow-way. The policies of the federal government in the past (& present) was (& are) extremely regretful. I hope more is done to save the language. Aquabluetesla (talk) 23:31, 8 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comanche phonetics aren't particularly difficult since there's only one sound in the language that doesn't occur in English (the high back unrounded vowel [ɨ]). The contemporary Comanche dictionaries don't contain the original Comanche pronunciations for several historical figures, just the modern English versions ("Narua" instead of "Na'ura", "Parua" instead of "Pawɨɨra", for example). This isn't unusual in moribund languages where the speakers of the language don't use the "old forms" with any regularity and over time default to the Anglicized versions that they can look up in Anglo sources. Kwana (Parker) is an exception because it is just the Comanche word kwana "odor, smell" and sounds the same in Comanche and English. I'd like to warn you about using Gwynne's book. It is highly inaccurate in its over-reliance on white sources from the 19th and early 20th centuries. It is filled with sensationalistic portrayals of Comanche barbarity and butchery drawn entirely from contemporary newspaper accounts that operated under all the prejudices of the time. It is not well-respected among anthropologists and tribal members. If you want a far more accurate portrayal of Comanche history and life I would highly recommend Thomas W. Kavanagh "The Comanches: A History 1706-1875" (Kavanagh is a fluent, although non-native, speaker of Comanche and is highly respected by the tribe), Pekka Hämäläinen "The Comanche Empire", and the older, somewhat dated, but still good, Ernest Wallace and E. Adamson Heobel "The Comanches: Lords of the South Plains". (My nickname, Taivo, happens to be the Comanche word for "white man".) --TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 01:37, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, very interesting, I’ll look into those. After doing some reading, I am wondering if you would prefer that her native name be listed as Naʔʉra or Naʔura? In my view, it may benefit from a change, as Na'ura is linked to a village. Although, if changed to this name then the IPA would appear the same. Would there be any tones that could be added to differentiate it? Aquabluetesla (talk) 04:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The letters u and ʉ are not interchangeable in Comanche, they represent the different vowels [u] and [ɨ] respectively in the writing system. The verb 'find' is ura [ura], not ʉra [ɨra], which means 'thank you'. There are no tones. Here is the articulatory difference between the two sounds: [u] is the English vowel in "boot", the back of the tongue is raised toward the top of the mouth and the lips are rounded; [ɨ] is formed by raising the back of the tongue as for [u], but not rounding the lips. You cannot "switch" "u" and "ʉ" in Comanche any more than you can switch the vowels of "heat" and "hit" in English and have the same word. It's not an issue if a person and village have the same name in Comanche any more than "Paris" can be both a placename (Texas) and a personal name (Hilton). In the article, Na'ura should be mentioned in the beginning as Cynthia Ann's name in Comanche, but the remainder of the article should actually use "Narua" or "Nadua" (whichever is more common in the literature) because that is the English version of her Comanche name. It's a Wikipedia policy that the most common version of the name in English sources should be the one used. That's why it took a few years for "Kiev" to become "Kyiv" as English language sources (media, etc.) switched spellings. --TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 14:03, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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