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Addition of fringe categories

Hello, Ben MacDui, you have recently been adding "cryptid" categories to articles, like here, here, and here. None of these articles discuss cryptozoology, which is a pseudoscience strongly associated with Young Earth creationism, and in those cases [[Category:Cryptozoology]] is appropriate rather than using pseudoscience-internal terminology. It appears then that you are promoting the notion that these entities are "cryptids" rather than simply, say, beach blobs or water monsters. Please self-revert your edits per WP:PROFRINGE. (Pinging Dlthewave (talk · contribs), who reverted one of these additions as a fringe category). :bloodofox: (talk) 18:05, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Promotion and navigation are not the same thing. I have no interest in the former. If you don't like the category name please feel free to suggest an alternative - I can't think of a good reason not to have such categories designated by geography. If on the other hand what you are trying to do is supress navigational ease because you don't like the content then that is not covered by WP:PROFRINGE. Ben MacDui 10:01, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
I have in fact created an alternative, which is [[Category:Water monsters]]. Most others can just fit in [[Category:Monsters]] or, for beach blobs, there's no need for such categories. :bloodofox: (talk) 23:32, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Your industry is commendable. However, you misunderstand my motivation. I am not especially interested in cryptids or water monsters in general, but I am interested in Scotland. I created the Scottish cryptids category to to make it easy to find such. Now as it happens, if you exclude my friend Am Fear Liath Mòr the majority of them that are occassionally treated seriously would seem to be water-related and therefore can sit nicely in your new cat and are also in Category:Scottish legendary creatures. However, the Stronsay beast is clearly not legendary and perhaps this is why you don't think it is a water monster. There are one or two others similar to this - the Beast of Buchan may or may not be legendary. The Kellas cat has been promoted (lucky creature) from being a creature of myth to being one of science. I am just thinking aloud here but it seems to me that what has happened here is that:
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Scottish islands

I have created a number of new categories here (such as Category:Hoy and Category:Canna, Scotland) and also created Template:Jura. I have also added many islands to Commons such as those in Commons:Category:Islands of the Inner Hebrides in Argyll and Bute and Commons:Category:Islands of the Shetland Islands. Notice that there is also Commons:Category:Java, Isle of Mull! Maybe some of those should have articles here? Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:00, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Good work, and thanks for letting me know. As you have probably noticed I am not very active at present - at present I am very busy work-wise but it is quite possible that that may change soon... Ben MacDui 14:49, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes I had, I have User:Crouch, Swale/Islands which lists many missing ones (though many are probably not notable) anyway I hope to see you more active in the future! Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:54, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Good list - see also Wikipedia:WikiProject Scottish Islands#To Do List. Ben MacDui 13:53, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

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Island capitals

I have produced a list at User:Crouch, Swale/Island capitals of Scottish islands with their capitals. I'm not sure if we could ever have a category for this since they might not be "official" enough. I see this was discussed at Talk:Isle of Arran#Issue with Capital. Note that on the Jura template the capital, Craighouse is in bold. I have also created User:Crouch, Swale/Island settlements which lists the number of settlements on some of the larger islands. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:33, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

I am very busy in the real world but I hope to take a proper look at this soon - hopefully in the coming week. Ben MacDui 13:59, 26 July 2020 (UTC).
Re the Island capitals that all looks fine - but I doubt there is any kind of official designation save for the three island authorities' capitals. Not realy controversial in most cases - most islands have one obviously largest settlement - but when it comes to Arran and Islay where there are two contenders I don't think there is any unequivocal answer. Having visited both I'd say Brodick and Bowmore have the 'feel' of the main town based on their services, regardless of population size but that is pretty subjective.
Re the Island settlements that's useful - and there are a few others within Category:Villages on Scottish islands. Also I think you'd struggle to call some of the ones listed 'villages' (e.g. Rùm) hence 'Category:Populated places in the Isle of Skye'. Ben MacDui 13:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes there doesn't seem to be any real authority though Tobermory being the capital of Mull does seem to be widely published. Regarding the authorities I presume you're referring to the Outer Hebrides and the Orkney/Shetland Islands? Note that in terms of English counties for example that the county town isn't always where the council is for example Leicester is the capital of Leicestershire but most of Leicester is no longer administrated by Leicestershire County Council, similarly although Truro is the capital of Cornwall, Falmouth is the largest settlement. So being the largest settlement or the administrative HQ doesn't necessarily make a place the capital. With Islay there does seem to be agreement that Bowmore is the capital even if Port Ellen is larger but since both Brodick and Lamlash are claimed for Arran I'd just keep it out of the articles since otherwise as you say it can be subjective.
Yes User:Crouch, Swale/Rùm notes that only 1 is an OS settlement but some of the others have sources classifying them to be settlements at least in some way. Category:Populated places in the Isle of Skye seems to be the odd one out perhaps because it was created for sub dividing Category:Populated places in Highland (council area). The other 2 Category:Villages on the Isle of Bute and Category:Villages in the Isle of Lewis leave Rothesay and Stornoway out. If you look at Jura for example it has 1 village but the other OS settlements (and non OS settlements) are hamlets (having no church though the definition seems to be less standard in Scotland) but since hamlets are a sub category of villages all hamlets go in the "Villages on island" category and "Hamlets in council area" such as Lagg, Jura being in Category:Hamlets in Argyll and Bute and Category:Villages on Jura, Scotland. As long as there is some reliable source claiming that a place is a settlement it should usually be in the "Villages on island" category. Interestingly Kinuachdrachd (Draft:Kinuachdrachd) seems to only be one house but it is an OS settlement[2]. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough, although your last point is an example of why we should treat the OS with some caution. Ben MacDui 13:43, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
And on the flip side it doesn't treat Ardlussa as being a settlement[3] even though that does appear to be more than just a single property and shows up on the county level. In any case other sources do treat Kinuachdrachd as being a settlement. See also the Google Books search which also returns a bit about it. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:43, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

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Glas-leac Mòr

I'd note that the RL tabel gives the area as 22 and height as 20 but the Gazetteer for Scotland gives 27 area and 28 high, see Draft:Glas-leac Mòr. On Wikipedia:WikiProject Scottish Islands/Islands by area the area is 22. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me. The OS, which is the one I usually use for heights also has 28m so I'd definitely go with that. Areas for small islands are very tricky as, quite apart from the difficulty of getting an accurate estimate for a highly irregular shape, the result will also depend on the state of the tide when it is measured. I think either RL or the Gazetteer would be acceptable (or indeed both). The Gazetter is the better soruce in terms of academic credentials although we have no idea how they have done the claculations and as RL is kind enough to publish a table it is much easier to use that for the "Islands by area" page. Let me know which you prefer and I'll update that table. Ben MacDui 16:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
OK, I've changed the height to 28 but kept the area as 22, I don't think its plausible its a large as 27 given it appears to be around the same size as Soyea Island but then Tarner Island doesn't seem much larger either. As you say RL has it in a table so I'd keep RL for the area unless there's a better source so for now there's no need to change the table. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:34, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

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