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As you will know, I got notified and pinged about the dispute between you and Locke Cole at AN/I, even though I wasn't "involved" in that dispute in any way. I've been wondering what to say since your post to my talk page, and decided to continue the approach I had taken at RSN of not engaging with you any further. But here I am and I hope I'm not going to regret it.
I'm going to ask Locke Cole, and other editors, if they are watching this page, not to engage in this conversation please. Also that you, Chess, humour me by briefly answering the questions rather bringing up something else or someone else. If you don't wish to do that, then fine, you can delete this post, and go our separate ways.
At the AN/I, when Locke Cole referred to our earlier dispute, he took a complaint I made about one specific issue and implied I was commenting generally on "the types of comments Chess makes regarding gender issues". I don't actually know you from Adam. I don't recall any prior conversations before that RSN discussion. Maybe we have and I've forgotten. I can't possibly be commenting on a pattern of comments. How did that make you feel for my remark to you to be mischaracterised?
Furthermore, the comment you made had been struck, you had apologised, and I had accepted your apology. Water under the bridge. Something that shouldn't be lightly brought up by anyone. Or if it was, brought up in its entirety as an example of how you fix things when you get it wrong. How does it make you feel that an example of something you thought you'd eventually resolved, was selectively reported and used against you?
That RSN disagreement was, AFAICS, entirely unrelated to whatever bad words have been said by editors on that Colorado Springs talk page. You had to spend a whole paragraph clarifying the selective version of events to include your strike and apology. It really isn't helping address the question of whether the behaviour at the Colorado Springs talk page was acceptable. How did it make you feel for an unrelated event that you'd fixed and apologised for to be brought up at AN/I in a complaint about the behaviour of another editor at the Colorado Springs talk page? -- Colin°Talk 11:10, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
How did that make you feel for my remark to you to be mischaracterised?If I had to be honest, I don't feel like it was a mischaracterization. You had a problem with me then about the civility of my edits in the topic area. That's relevant information in a civility dispute, and much like how I used specific examples of warnings over discrete incidents to illustrate a pattern of behaviour, Locke used a specific example of a warning to say that I had a pattern of behaviour. I think they were wrong but they're entitled to say it at ANI.
Furthermore, the comment you made had been struck, you had apologised, and I had accepted your apology. Water under the bridge. Something that shouldn't be lightly brought up by anyone.That's not true. An apology + forgiveness doesn't erase past misdeeds. It's a statement of regret + an implicit promise not to do it again. If I act disruptively again, it's fair to bring up my previous misbehaviour even if I was forgiven for it. Someone with a pattern of misconduct should be treated that way even if they've apologized and were forgiven for every individual incident (WP:UNBLOCKABLE style) . I don't personally feel that I have a pattern of misconduct, but I don't feel indignant at the accusation that was made given that it's fair game. My actions have consequences and having to repeatedly explain myself is a pretty fair consequence all things considered.
That RSN disagreement was, AFAICS, entirely unrelated to whatever bad words have been said by editors on that Colorado Springs talk page... It really isn't helping address the question of whether the behaviour at the Colorado Springs talk page was acceptable.They're related inasmuch as they both have to do with an accusation that I'm pushing an agenda in that topic, and that's a core element of Locke's claims. In response to everything you said, I generally felt ambivalent about what was said at WP:ANI. I can see why Locke said what they said. It's a legitimate point of view on my behaviour, I don't personally agree with it (and I am somewhat miffed at being labelled incompetent) but if someone wants to bring up concerns about me, they can do so at my talk page or at ANI. I can't really ask for much more than that.
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"So you're here to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS by getting rid of any source that disagrees with your personal opinion on transgender people.You then vote No evidence has been provided that this newspaper of record is unreliable/fabricates evidence. The Economist is well-regraded as a reliable source. No evidence has been provided that it is not. and If people are creating RfCs to inaccurately designate sources as unreliable because it gives an advantage in WP:DUEWEIGHT discussions, that's very concerning and I hope that's not what is happening here. What these posts all tell me is you have got entirely the wrong end of the stick wrt the RSN RFCs, all of which were created by an editor who was participating in an edit war that for them needed those sources to be considered reliable. The RSN RFCs were all created with "no evidence" that these sources were unreliable precisely because they want you guys to endorse their inclusion of material that cites them. You not only accused editors of bad motive but got the whole thing upside down. You accused me and others of pushing an agenda, just like Cole did to you.
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It's also not without irony that you refer to the findings of facts, and when you look closer you see that an arb voted to ban a friend of mine citing a diff. Which tells me they didn't look at facts then. So why should we look at their findings? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
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