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"c. it relies on Wikipedia at least for some of its material, which would make it a circular reference." you made this claim on the elsevier textbook, can you please cite the pages in this where it cites wikipedia?--Patbahn (talk) 06:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Check out page 385 as example. The problem is that once you know a source relies on Wikipedia for some of its material, there is no way of knowing how much more material is so tainted. I had as example a no-advertising subscription-only aviation safety publication a couple of years ago, which relied on WP extensively for an article, including graphics and semi-complete sentences, yet provided no attribution whatsoever to WP. It was a bit shocking to have to pay money to see my own work, including the graphics. As bottom line, we may not rely on sources which use WP as source. Crum375 (talk) 13:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Just noticed this, very interesting. You might find this blog relevant, having downloaded the relevant report and looked at colors of noise it seems to check out. . . dave souza, talk 20:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I have heard of similar stories too. And lately I have to spend a lot longer deciding if certain sources are "original" or WP-derived. I think this may be just the beginning of a long-term trend. Crum375 (talk) 21:38, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

The Wegman Report is notable in its own right, the plagiarism is an interesting side issue but does raise questions about its reliability. As you say, we're increasingly going in circles! . . dave souza, talk 21:42, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

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Why do you revert my changes without comment?

In the article

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Synthesis_of_published_material_that_advances_a_position

you protected the following text by reverting:

"The UN's stated objective is to maintain international peace and security, but since its creation there have been 160 wars throughout the world.

Although no conclusion is drawn... "

The second half of the first sentence draws a conclusion. Especially the word "but" signals a conclusion. I don't think it makes sense to show the wikipedia logic with a text example that misses logic.

Regards --Sustainlogic (talk) 14:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

You added the comment "This is not really a good example of new synthesis." Such personal criticism should be added to a talk page, not inserted inside a policy page. Crum375 (talk) 14:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Why did you delete the whole paragraph, and not only this sentence? --Sustainlogic (talk) 17:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sustainlogic (talk • contribs)

re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson you say this addition was unsourced so you deleted it. how about doing a little search of your own? it's been in all the papers tonight and the news. would not be too difficult to find multipul sources if you wanted. try to contribute rather, than take away. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.176.56 (talk) 23:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

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re. [1].I saw the discussion at the top of the current talk page, which shows there are plenty of objections to this being included, and the few actual reasons for inclusion given are weak at best. I see no discussion of it in the FA pass, and it was objected to in the initial FA fail, without resolution, so that's no justification either. So, if you had any other discussion in mind, please point out the other specific places/comments where you think this list has had a discussion where a clear consensus has shown it belongs in the article. I am not accepting 'it's been discussed' as your reason for blind reverting, it simply does not belong on Wikipedia per WP:NOT, it has absolutely no encyclopoedic value. If you can't do that, I'm taking it to an Rfc. MickMacNee (talk) 16:09, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

This issue appeared in both the FAC review and the article's talk page. In the FAC review the question was raised and answered, and was left to the other reviewers to decide. None of the other reviewers saw any problem with the list, and the article was promoted to FA with it. There was a subsequent discussion about it on talk, and the end result was to leave it as is. I see no problem with it — it adds important information, and does not violate any rule. Feel free to obtain more views about it. Crum375 (talk) 16:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Could you please note in the Rfc that you had specifically asked Slrubenstein (talk · contribs) [2] and Fvasconcellos (talk · contribs) [3] to comment. I don't see anything wrong with the requests from the standpoint of CANVAS, the requests were neutral, and as it happens they have not both opined the same way, but I think it would be of use to any closer to know they were specifically asked to comment, and the reasons why (which are not clear to me). MickMacNee (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

They are both veteran editors whose judgment I trust, and in both cases I had no idea what they would say. One has general expertise on content policies, and the other on FA articles and this specific topic. As it stands, one seems to support the list, and one leans against it. Hopefully this helps. Crum375 (talk) 21:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

It does, but as said, could you please note it on the Rfc page (identifying which is which). MickMacNee (talk) 21:39, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary. Crum375 (talk) 21:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Well I do. Put it this way, if you don't note it, I will, but it would look better if it came from you. This Rfc was advertised in many places, as you know, so it is a simple common courtesy to the closer to note this extra solicitation, even though no rule has been broken. MickMacNee (talk) 21:54, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Feel feel to do it if you think you need to. Crum375 (talk) 22:07, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Done [4]. MickMacNee (talk) 22:44, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

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• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/British European Airways Flight 548/archive2 SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:35, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Crum, it just occured to me that the best solution to the problem of creationists trying to get themselves into science using for this purpose severely underinformed in area of gravitation physicists, might be two of us writing a book on gravitation and splitting any possible profits 50:50.

As you might have noticed I already started writing something of this kind called "Gravitation Demystified" which shows (as you might have noticed as well) my severe lack of any literary and even linguistic skills. But I hope you have them and hopefully I understand gravitation at least as good as Einstein (possibly better) and also better than Feynman, which seems to be not that bad a combination. This way we may become minature Landau and Lifshitz and most important, to contribute to prevention of infiltration of science by creationists through the completely unguarded back door of cosmology which in my opinion is something that is going on while we talk (please notice that the only contemporary cosmological theories are metaphysical - with "creation" of metter. BTW, I hope you are not a theist?)

What would you say?

Jim (talk) 19:21, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Crum, sorry to bother you but it is only because your neither reason is a legitimate one. If you never want to write a book on gravitation I stop to bother you. But at least learn why your reasons ain't legitimate.

Your first reason: "I am busy with RL commitments, and can't afford to take time off for book writing."

The book is not that urgent that it can't wait. Not many people are interested in gravitation. Acording to Feynman it is not interesting enough to curious characters. Especially not to Feynman who believed that worldwide only "126 dopes" are interested in it and none of them worth listening to and some of them plain idiots. I believe him since I've been waiting with ready Einstainian explanation of cosmological redshift for over 25 years and even in my university nobody cares about reading this stuff. Gravitation is boooooring. So there is no big rush. I doubt someone writes such a book within next 50 or 100 years. It is already nearly 100 years since Einstein discovered physics of gravitation and no one even explained it well enough to regular physicsists so they would understand it. And I'm talking only about regular so called "gravitational force" which every physicists should understand and yet they asked about it fall silent and say that they heard something about Einstein explaining it but they are not sure what it was.

When I were explaining gravitation to physics professors during the breaks in their lectures (it takes under 15 minutes, well fitting their break) all except one who said "of course" (he is a relativist) laughed at me and said "it's not possible since if it were so simple I'd have heard about it". So you may see the a need to learn gravitation is there but no interested readers. Who needs Einstein's gravitation? Even NASA can manage without it and doing quite well with Newtonian. Only cosmology suffers since without Einstein's gravitation they are like "drunk children in fog". But cosmologists are probably happy since they may invent surrealistic theories and no one corrects them even when they introduce creationism to physics. On the other hand it might be their purpose and by writing a book we may interfere with their purpose. But it would be also a bad reason for not writing this book. After all they are paid from our taxes and so far doing no useful job.

"Second, I am not sure I know enough to be able to properly critique your material."

That's an argument for participating in writing this book. Nobody knows enough. Einstein didn't know enough to critique creationist, but within these 25 years of discussions with cosmologists I found out enough to tell you what you (and Einstein) don't/didn't know to be able to argue with creationists like LeMaitre and and Wheeler. Gravitation turns out to be real simple (see the above opinion of 100% of physics professors).

You say also: "But I do think, as I noted elsewhere, that you should try to convince one respectable physicist of your theories and/or interpretations, after which everything will be much easier for you."

It might be if such a physicists existed outside your imagination. Unfortunately this only professor (in about 100 that I mentioned) that understans Einstein's curvatures of spacetime and knows how simply the gravitational force is generated believes that energy may be created and God might exist, what he said at conference "Physics and Faith" organized by him and three other theist at Warsaw University. According to my experience it is impossible to convince a grownup who believes that God controls the universe, that there is no evidence of it. Especially when his faith is suported by creationists whom he takes for legitimate physicists or mathematicians.

It seems that the only reason why any physicist is interested in gravitation is because of the Big Bang and their hope that it proves existence of God. It might be why gravitation attracts only creationists, and that's why only creationist theories (with creation of matter) exist in cosmology and Einstein's theory has been derailed by Wheeler by keeping secret the fact that that Einstein maintained "that the spacetime metric tensor must be non symmetric" and that even in Newtonian gravitation in static universe there is the the same as observed in our universe amount of cosmological redshift. Otherwise why only creationists work in cosmology and teach students all over the world that creation of energy is OK? Jim (talk) 19:29, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Please stop reverting other people's edits, as you are doing in Wikipedia:Manual of Style (words to watch). You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. If you revert again, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia without further notice. Please discuss any disputed changes on the talk page. Thank you. Three reversions in under 17 hours.—DCGeist (talk) 18:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

"Please do not template regular editors"? I wish someone had templated me the other sleep-deprived morning to warn me that I was on the verge of violating 3RR, just as you are right now. Do you really think your behavior does not constitute edit warring? [5] [6] [7] Of course it does. And when you write, "I believe there are plenty of other editors who understand this point", what point exactly are you referring to? That you feel at liberty to ride roughshod over our policy and norms concerning consensus and maintaining status quo while a dispute is being discussed? That's the point that you seem to be awfully shaky on, though plenty of other editors do manage to get it all over this great encyclopedia of ours.—DCGeist (talk) 20:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

DCGeist - You're pushing too hard here. Warning users like this is not the way to win a content dispute. Please stick to issues, on the talk page there.

Crum375, please don't actually 3RR on the article. You know that, and I assume you don't intend to, but just to keep things as painless as possible...

Thanks, both of you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 20:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Your fans are calling at wp:nor re wp:att. North8000 (talk) 23:51, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

The RFC has been closed as consensus to remove. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 02:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I should add that this is a poor way to engage in discussion. I've never been involved in the underlying dispute, but I see a large number of reverts on that page from you. It's obvious that you disagree very much with removing the section, but edit warring about it is not a reasonable response regardless of the sincerity of your feelings on the matter. — Coren ^(talk) 13:12, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sutton Wick air crash/archive1. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Again: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1955 MacArthur Airport United Airlines crash/archive1 SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Crum. As a follow up of your suggestion about C. Johan Masreliez on my talk pagerecently, I opted for a test article on Masreliez’s theorem, which immediately attracted attention of RE, the No 1 Masreliez watchdog, questioning notability. Could you please advice as to the reasonable number of citations or secondary sources required in such a case. / Kurtan (talk) 14:10, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I got the source from an e-Mail. It was from the nephew of Flight Attendant Helen Mahar. He told me his aunt was missing for weeks until found in a crevasse in the mountain. --707 (talk) 04:31, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

This editor HXL has been committing a number of personal attacks against me in the discussion page of article Inner_Mongolia. He used words such as "faulty logic" in [8], "you tard" in [9], "pests like you" in [10]. Also he threatened me that he "can be brutal" here in [11]. Please advise whether such a treatment of fellow editors is acceptable? If not acceptable, then what actions are taken to repair the situation? Thank you in advance. ༄༅།།གང་ཐུ་ཡཱ།། (talk) 15:31, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I never have closed this RfC I posted on myself in June 2007, in part because several of the issues involved have continued over several years. Before I consider possibly closing it (I feel I'm the one who should close it since it was a self-RfC), I was wondering if you would like to reconsider your endorsements of SlimVirgin's and FloNight's summaries. If so, please strike through your endorsements. If you still stand by them, please consider adding an additional statement at the bottom the front page of the RfC. Thank you. Cla68 (talk) 01:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

[12] Your wording leaves me wondering if you were labouring under a misapprehension there. The WP:V proposal is not about removing "not truth" from the policy, but about moving it to a separate section, and explaining it. Was that clear to you, or did you misunderstand the proposal? Cheers, --JN466 15:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

You were mentioned here in passing, and you simply may not care, but I think there is a principle at stake. I have already responded. Slrubenstein | Talk 21:32, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

You may be interested in this. Peter jackson (talk) 10:58, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

I was the president of the Arrow pilots union at the time and I have some facts that were never discussed or questioned. I knew the entire flight crew and can attest to their proffessionalism. Please contact me if you interested in some truths and some very unusual event in the investigation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenbrodeur (talk • contribs) 02:36, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

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... Barcelona is linked, and Paris not: we don't link to current countries and their capitals. Some other places will also be well-known, so not needing a link, but I don't know for Barcelona. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

flights and music

Thank you for quality articles about air flights such as 2001 Avjet Aspen crash, and music such as Brendan Kavanagh, for Low-frequency radio range and Daphne Gail Fautin, for constructive reviewing, for service from 2006, - repeating (26 June 2010): you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2345 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I just promoted your hook to Prep 5. Please add a line about Dr. K to Nelly Ben-Or's article for readers who wish to pursue the info in the hook. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:28, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

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Awesome

Ten years!

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Precious

One year!

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Today I was reading this article and noticed it was fully protected after only 1 desruptive editing from a newly cretated user. Is it ok? Brainfrogk4mon (talk) 13:10, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Brainfrogk4mon, your first step should be asking the admin who performed the protection, assuming their rationale is not clear to you. Crum375 (talk) 13:29, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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Precious

Two years!

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