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Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Donald Trung's emoji signatures. Majora (talk) 01:05, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Donald, if you wish to make a statement concerning that discussion, place it below and someone will copy it over for you. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 03:06, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am just curious as to why using emoji's in my signature is forbidden while there are users like Koavf that have signatures that display like this ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:28, 4 March 2018 (UTC) while using emoji'shad absolutely nothing to do with my original block, and wasn't even considered to be disruptive prior. I had only used the large signature three or four times and immediately changed it after I saw how big it was which can be seen here to find a signature that wasn't so large but didn't contain emoji's but templates as 🕷 this is an emoji and ((Smiley|)) is a template, something which I wasn't prohibited from using. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 06:19, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Commenting on the discussion

@Ansh666: I have never had communication issues regarding the content of articles, I had a copyright strike while editing as an IP and accidentally placed a blacklisted link which was discussed and allowed to stay, I will refrain from commenting on any policies and my behaviour on Meta was related to the fact that my signature included a link to my global lock and unlock which I stated was there to give hope to others who are locked that they could be unlocked but was seen as disruptive so I changed it after a discussion, as for the disruptive voting I fully know what I did was wrong and clearly haven't repeated it here, I asked if I could change my votes to neutral but was denied. I'm not sure why you don't want me to write and improve articles, though as I've had followed every policy correctly and improved my style if corrected.

And yes, in retrospect I should've simply opened a RfC regarding the usage and appeal of global locks or try to get a global UTRS implemented instead of my votes, I know fully well how disruptive it was and lead myself get wrongfully guided by emotion instead of rationally trying to follow policy and implement change that way. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) I am a mobile user. 09:09, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Blocked

For violating the terms you agreed to before being unblocked, in spirit if not in letter, I have reinstated your block. You are surely aware that edits like this, with a nearly 3500 byte, image-laden signature, are disruptive, so I have concluded that the English Wikipedia isn't a good fit for you. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 02:59, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@DoRD: I added templates as you stated that I could still use emoji's on talk pages as village pumps, Etc. Are talk pages, then you requested that I had removed the emoji's from my signature so I did, I replaced them with templates (not images) which,I couldn't find was against any policy. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 05:12, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And other users like Koavf, Etc. have emoji's in their signatures, my original block had nothing to do with the (mis)use of emoji's so as an unblock condition it didn't make sense but you said I was allowed to use them in talk pages and my own user pages. I am not sure why only I specifically am not allowed to use emoji's in my signature as it isn't considered disruptive for Koavf/Justin Knapp. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 05:15, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why not allow me to have three emoji's in my signature like this? And what I used were templates which are explicitly not emoji's. I mostly prefer something coloured so I can see where I commented in a long discussion so I can pick up a thread from there. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 05:24, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And concerning the above edit, the moment I saw how big my signature was I changed it to ((smiley|)) based one. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 05:27, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, in so far as enhancing signature visibility goes, I've colorized mine.--Dlohcierekim (talk) 05:50, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But a few simple emoji's are more easily recognisable, also after clicking edit because you would have to search for your name, meanwhile Koavf can simply see a heart and a peace symbol without having to really search for anything. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 06:06, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Concerning "You are surely aware that edits like this, with a nearly 3500 byte, image-laden signature, are disruptive, so I have concluded that the English Wikipedia isn't a good fit for you." I had literally changed that large signature the moment I saw how big it was, the ((Smiley|)) is only 430 bytes which isn't even that big, and that is the signature I got blocked for, not the one I had already changed. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 06:12, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Oshwah: as you are a part of the AN/I discussion and everyone else seems to be asleep. Comments? --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 10:53, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@DoRD: and @Dlohcierekim: I was under the mistaken impression that the village pump was a talk page per "I would say that any page which is used for discussions (including this one, AN, etc.) is a talk page; any other sort of Wikipedia: namespace page should generally not be signed. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:12, 12 February 2018 (UTC)" and I should've cleaned up the large signatures myself, I would also like to apologise to Dlohcierekim if he/she feels that I've caused them embarrassment by violating any unblock conditions. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 01:39, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry things did not work out.--Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:01, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Dlohcierekim: do you see any unblock where I am only confined to articles and article related talk pages with my current signature? I was in the middle of updating years because an old source used the wrong dates and I would rather no see any hoaxes, I fully understand that the community doesn't want any actors that disagree with how their policies are implemented so I will refrain from talking in "Wikipedia:" Spaces but request to be allowed to comment in Articles for Deletion. And of course user talk pages to solely discuss article content or maybe give compliments to users that deserve it, but I'll stay away from controversial contributors. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 03:21, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I do not know. The An/I discussion is moving slowly. You might read that to see what has been said. I would simplify the signature further-- remove the superfluous. You might want to ping DorD and see if current sig is acceptable. --Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:36, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Donald Trung: Email received. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 00:55, 9 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Signature

@DoRD: How about I ask you on your user page every time I wish to change my signature (which won't be that often or at all as I mostly just want a link to the list of articles I've created recently)? I genuinely did not see how large my previous signature was until it was too late, I would've cleaned up the mess myself if anyone would've asked. Is my current signature acceptable?

Note that the "No fake news" part is a joke inspired by a real life event where someone made that joke based on the written form of my name (Trung is actually pronounced like Chüng), and only serves to lighten the mood.--Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 03:45, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Dlohcierekim: I changed the "Respect mobile users" to this signature as it might help clarify why I would take two edits to move something from one section to another, if wanted I would remove that part entirely. Is there anything else you would like to suggest? --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) I am a mobile user. 08:03, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, I think if it's now acceptable to Iridescent then that's how it needs to be.--Dlohcierekim (talk) 11:48, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Dlohcierekim: Do you think that it is possible to get unblocked for a week with the conditions listed below that what lead to the block is behind me and then have another discussion opened where people can evaluate, and yes I fully understand that if given this chance to prove myself that a breach of it will also lead to an immediate and indefinite ban from the project. I have not made a single disruptive edit in any of the spaces laid forth by those conditions and only wish to prove that they should have no doubt in believing that an unblock will only be beneficial for Wikipedia. --Donald Trung (talk) 03:08, 8 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I do not know as I have not followed he ANI thread.--Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:10, 8 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unblock

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Donald Trung (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I will not alter my signature from how it looks now, and I will refrain from making comments not directly related to the content of Wikipedia. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 23:52, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Decline reason:

You've already caused enough annoying petty disruption since being granted a second chance that we look like fools for giving you one in the first place. If you're not trolling, then you're not able to contribute competently. Either way you're a drain on community time and effort and you're not gonna talk your way out of yet another indef block. Swarm ♠ 01:09, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the ((unblock)) template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Comment - Donald Trung has made numerous valuable contributions in a subject (Asian numismatics) which has practically no other regular contributors. He's written extensive and well researched articles such as Qing dynasty coinage, Ryukyuan mon, Southern Song dynasty coinage, Guanzi (currency), Jiaozi (currency), Huizi (currency), and many other drafts in his user space. Blocking him over such a trifling issue as his use of emojis is gross overkill and detrimental to Wikipedia, IMO. I'd support a ban on his use of emojis and images in his signature, but please allow him to continue contributing content. (cross-posted at ANI) -Zanhe (talk) 00:10, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is why I propose a topic ban on non-encyclopedic discussions, it's clear that my viewpoint is in the minority here and commenting on it gets seen as "trolling" by some users. And thank you for your support. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 00:15, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To clarify, I didn't say a ban from all talk pages, just ones not directly related to articles, such as the Village pump. "A topic ban from everywhere but article space would simply be ineffective. Since the issues with him have to deal with his communicating with other editors (the signature, his viewing block evasions as a possible positive thing, trying to start an RfC on emoji signatures, etc.) I'm confident he would find a new way to cause disruption on article talk pages." There is such a thing as WP:ROPE and my edits to the talk pages of articles are related to the content of articles, I'm not sure why you assume such bad faith, I stated that I find block evasion which improves the encyclopedia a good thing simply because it helps the readers and disagreeing with that shouldn't be seen as "trolling" shouldn't Wikipedia's #1 goal be to build an encyclopedia? But if people find those comments "trolling" then I won't express my opinion on anything other than the articles themselves. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 00:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unblock conditions

And can I appeal these restrictions in a year through the ArbCom or something?--Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 04:02, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, I know that bans like these take many years to overturn (if at all) and I can probably write several articles in a week so I will accept those conditions and change my signature again if the community really feels that a link to a list of articles I've created is disruptive, I have no intent on disrupting anything here. But access to template space is simply a must when writing articles, so can I get the option to appeal specific restrictions if I demonstrably need them? --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) I am a mobile user. 08:19, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you're willing to accept conditions 2–5, and that the only acceptable signatures you can use are [[User:Donald Trung|Donald Trung]] ([[User talk:Donald Trung|talk]]), variants omitting either of the two links, and/or variants including a dash preceding the signature, I'd have no issue with unblocking you on the understanding that any more screwing around or boundary-testing—as defined by me, not you—means you're gone for good. The idea that access to template space is simply a must when writing articles is complete nonsense; if there's a situation where you feel a change is absolutely necessary, you can ask someone else—once—if they feel the change should be made. ‑ Iridescent 09:17, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I accept, I'm pretty sure someone like Zanhe can add new articles to templates. --Donald Trung (Talk) 10:00, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Iridescent: Pardon the "talk" was accidently capitalised. --Donald Trung (talk) 10:02, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes. As it is above here.--Dlohcierekim (talk) 11:52, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'd have no issue with unblocking you on the understanding that any more screwing around or boundary-testing—as defined by me, not you—means you're gone for good. I agree with this and the rest of Iridescent's statement above. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 12:28, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unblock

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Donald Trung (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I request to be unblocked per the sanctions set by Iridescent, I do not plan on violating any of the conditions and where the conditions seem unclear I will ask Iridescent on their talk page first.

Donald Trung is banned from using any special signatures or timestamps. The options to "Treat the above as wiki markup." for his signature must remain unchecked and have the words "Donald Trung" typed in it. Use of the double hyphen or the long dash preceding the signature is acceptable. Donald Trung is indefinitely banned from ALL namespaces except Article, Talk, User, and User talk namespaces. They may participate in discussions outside of these exempted namespaces if they are the subject of the discussion, or another user has mentioned them and requested their input. They may also participate in WP:AFD discussions and WP:AFC discussions.

I will not edit any spaces outside of article, user spaces and their talk pages unless explicitly invited to do so. Nor will I change my signature into anything other than the standard form.

Donald Trung may not edit logged out or use sock puppets or alternate accounts for any reason, except for the occasional accidental log out. ANY violation of any of these terms will result in an immediate INDEFINITE BAN, not block.

I understand that deliberately editing signed out or using another account to edit the English Wikipedia will get me banned.

ANY indication of gaming these restrictions will result in an immediate INDEFINITE BAN, not block. Gaming is defined as finding a way to continue disruption that does not technically violate these terms.--Donald Trung (talk) 13:44, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I will not attempt to distrupt the project in any way not informed by the above restrictions. --Donald Trung (talk) 14:50, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Accept reason:

There is marginal community support to unblock you with these restrictions, so you are going to be under a big microscope.

You are hereby subject to the following restrictions:

  1. You are indefinitely banned from using any special signatures. It must only be plain text containing only your username, and a link to your talk, formatted as "Donald Trung (talk)" or "Donald Trung". You are not required to link to both your user or talk page. One of them must be linked, however. The signature cannot link elsewhere. You are allowed to precede your signature with 2 hyphens or a long mdash, like my signature. Your timestamp cannot have special formatting.
  2. You are indefinitely banned from all namespaces except for Article, Talk, User, and User talk pages. The only exceptions are discussions where you are a subject of the discussion. In 6 months you may participate in deletion discussions, and AFC, provided you have been keeping in line with all restrictions.
  3. You are indefinitely prohibited from using alternate accounts, or editing logged out, on the English Wikipedia. Accidental logouts are fine as long as they are immediately rectified by signing on and stating it was an accident. Too many "accidents" may and will be seen as gaming.
  4. If you directly violate any of these restrictions, you are to stop immediately and resume productive editing. Failing that will result in your block being reinstated, and you to be subject to an indefinite site ban, which can be imposed by any admin if they deem appropriate.
  5. If you try to game these restrictions by being disruptive elsewhere, as defined by observing admins, not you, your block will be reinstated, and you will be subject to an indefinite site ban, which can be imposed by any admin if they deem appropriate.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:52, 12 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Donald Trung, per Cyberpower678, please enumerate the conditions. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 13:48, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To clarify, enumerate (definition 1). ​—DoRD (talk)​ 14:19, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You did not follow my request. Please make an unblock request highlighting the exact terms and conditions as Iridescent laid out above that you accepted, point for point. The reason why I am making you do this is to make sure you understand the conditions clearly BEFORE you are unblocked.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 14:09, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Responding to the comments on the thread @Iridescent: I fully understand that this is my only chance, which is a concern raised by The Banner and I have not made a single disruptive edit to the main space or the spaces where I am allowed to edit, calling for a global ban is non-sensical as I had said prior me voting against most candidates was something I did wrong and know I did wrong on Meta and I should've simply opened an RfC for the creation of a Global UTRS system, as for on other projects on Wikimedia Commons I'm one of the thousand most active editors and have had no issue there nor on either Wikidata or Wikisource. As for adding those templates to my signature I had no idea that it would become so large and probably should've asked DoRD on his talk page first if substituting emoji's with templates was fine, but as Zanhe can testify I have been fully productive in the article space (where most of my edits are) and have no intention of ever losing the privilege to edit there again.

And to comment on the Meta issue by Swarm, I didn't get unblocked with conditions there, my account got globally unlocked and I didn't break any unlock condition. I fully understand that any breach of an unblock will mean a full siteban so if the community truly thinks that I will be disruptive then this will prove itself if I were to get unblocked, but I have no intention on making edits outside of the mainspace.

As for the comment on negotiating the terms laid by Cyberdoom my question was raised about the signature I had at the time as @Dlohcierekim: didn't have an issue with it. Believe me, I take full responsibility for my actions. Also on the fact that I have been told this, I quickly changed my signature and should've asked if Template:Smiley were considered emoji's as I had simply assumed otherwise.

I fully understand that this would be my final chance with no way of talking myself out of it, I just wish to work on articles. --Donald Trung (talk) 23:52, 7 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If I am allowed back I will only concern myself with editing pages like Khải Định Thông Bảo which as one can see here was very well received by SamHolt6 I will not try to make comments on any matters outside of building an encyclopedia and will restrict myself solely to the content and not the people of Wikipedia. --Donald Trung (talk) 02:04, 8 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Tech News: 2018-11

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • 3D models can now be uploaded to Commons. [1]
  • Page Previews has been updated to use HTML for previews. This has fixed many issues. An A/B test was done on English and German Wikipedia to measure how it is used. Other changes were also made. [2]
  • Some edits have to be checked against too many conditions before they can trigger an abuse filter. If that is the reason no filter is triggered the edit will be tagged for review. [3]
  • Auto-saving has been added to the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor. Right now it is meant to help if your browser crashes or if you accidentally close a tab. [4]

Problems

  • The abuse filter did not tag all edits that should have been tagged after last week's MediaWiki version had come to the wikis. It was fixed on 9 March (UTC). [5]

Changes later this week

  • You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. This was originally planned to happen last week. [6]
  • It is now possible to specify the block parameters for each filter in Special:AbuseFilter. The parameters include block duration and if the user should be blocked from editing their own talk page. The block duration is separate for anonymous and registered users. [7][8]
  • Advanced item A hundred Wikimedia wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 13 and 14 March. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018. [9][10][11]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 March. It will be on all wikis from 15 March (calendar).

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