SB >> [1]
N/SB >> [2]
ANI >> [3]
regarding "Bourov tries to implement anyway the Moscow version." I don't appreciate your personal attacks and accusations of bias. Especially considering that I did not propose any specific text changes, only quoting other proposed text as well as existing text. Please refrain from further personal attacks and stick to the guidelines.Anatoly.bourov (talk) 23:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I see that you've resorted to continually vandalizing the SO page without any new comments. You also claim that you have requested administrative arbitration, please refrain from further vandalism. As far as your claim of sources being outdated, the objection of US embassy to the use of "completely justified" verbiage has already been addressed in the article, the embassy still stands behind the rest of the text. If you have references to new translations of the same text, please include them in the article.Anatoly.bourov (talk) 15:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Your request (diff) for a third opinion has been edited to comply with Wikipedia:Third opinion#How to list a dispute. If your entry as originally worded contained information vital to an understanding of the dispute, please add those details to the article talk page where the dispute exists (Talk:2008 South Ossetia war#US Embassy in Moscow: Kommersant did inaccurately translate US Ambassador's comments). Thanks. — Athaenara ✉ 18:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did to International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, you will be blocked from editing. You were warned twice in edit summary, do NOT remove content without discussion on the article talk page. If it happens again, I will report it at WP:AN/I --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 16:07, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Regarding your POV/OR postings i'm very amused. You can be sure it happens gain because you did insert again POV/OR content. ;) Elysander (talk) 16:32, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to all members of the Kremlin fraction !! :))) Elysander (talk) 21:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
No, Georgia revoked S. Ossetia's autonomy in 1990, so it is a former autonomous area even by Georgia's contention. However, even if that were not the case, it would be misleading at best to claim a de facto independent state is an autonomous area of another state. kwami (talk) 09:44, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello, you are offering an interpretation. Regarding several UN security council resolutions ( last in April 2008) Georgia's territorial integrity ( inc. SO and Abch.) is untouchable. I'm open for other formulations. ;) Elysander (talk) 09:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors, as you did on Talk:International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. one of your edits is extremely inimical to editors - this one. Bogorm (talk) 13:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to add defamatory content, as you did to Talk:International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. This ediy of yours is a flagrant abuse of WP:NOTFORUM and WP:NPA Bogorm (talk) 19:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
@ Bogorm - please read this very interesting article [[5]]. As i wrote above: I'm now convinced you are taking the mickey out of us all. Elysander (talk) 19:56, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Great job editing articles related to the Georgia situation! Just ignore the harrassment above. Ostap 23:29, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I like such debunking comments of definite "POV-Warriors". :) Elysander (talk) 23:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey, seems your up-to-date with those who do and don't recognize SO and A. Can you filter the faulty information on in the article? Good work. jamescp 00:23, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you delete or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia, as you did to International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, you will be blocked from editing. You were warned above about the continual removal of information without discussion. You may or may not take me seriously, but the wholesale removal of information from articles based upon your own POV, and without discussion is not on, and the next time it occurs, I will seek admin intervention. Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 22:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Your activities here and elsewhere seem ridiculous to me: you are disguising your deep POV mentality behind a spate of not seriously meant wikipedia formulas. ;) Elysander (talk) 22:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did to 2008 South Ossetia war, you will be blocked from editing. The sheer deletion of sources without deigning to seek a sourced refutation and contumelies towards the sources are more than reprehensible, but WP:NPA restrains me from concluding mine indignation unverblümt. Anyway, my patience is evanescing by your incessant reluctance to engage in discussions. Bogorm (talk) 18:09, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I made a move of Ossetian war article. Please see my last comments and contribute if you wish. Thanks,Biophys (talk) 03:50, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Howdy, as you probably know I'm just hanging around International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia watching and trying to keep divisions to a minimum. I happened to notice this sequence of edits. While I commend you guys for not continuing to revert each other, its still not what it could be. The edits I'm talking about are revert by Russavia revert by Elysander and revert by Russavia.
Hello, I have noticed your two reverts here and here. I'm warning you now that excessive reverts is considered disruptive. If you continue to revert without discussing on the talk page, you will be blocked for disruption. In addition please see Talk:International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia#Editwarring. Thanks —— —— nixeagle 19:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Check talk page! There's no consensus regarding a 3rd list ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:International_recognition_of_Abkhazia_and_South_Ossetia#Non-recognition_section - Elysander (talk) 19:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
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If there's no concensus, that doesn't justify edit-warring. HistoricWarrior007 (talk) 20:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Hmm .. what do you mean? I didn't delete bomb car subsection or move it to another place [[6]]. What i did: editing at both places to get a rather neutral view. My advice to you: check all sources about this incident. And you will check that " terrorist attack on HQ" is an assertion - not more! And an assertion cannot be title of an encyclopedic subsection. We need a 3rd party view. According several Russian sources minimum 2 versions about the incident exist. And that Russian soldiers moved the suspicious car to their HQ themselves. Elysander (talk) 07:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
You wrote and I qoute, "A typical debate! One serious incident which will be reduced to a 3-line-sentence few weeks ahead. And still assertions stand against assertions. Is it an "attack" or more an "accident" ?" Can you please explain to me how someone could have accidentally rigged a car with explosives? Was it like "Dad I don't know where to put these" "oh ok son, dump them on the car"? I don't get it, please explain. HistoricWarrior007 (talk) 09:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Sorry .. but i cannot waste my time for prejudgements. Obviously you know exactly what happened on a certain day anywhere in Georgia. At my opinion in this case nothing is absolutely certain today. It can be an attack if ... , it can be an accident during negligent car searching, it can be .... and so on. Elysander (talk) 11:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Russavia failed to delete Life Goes On (The Article), and is now trying to delete its sources using the copyright angle. Could you weigh in on the dispute[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]? WH Coordinator (talk) 10:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
It was interesting to see the news you had found about the South Ossetian shelling of the Georgian village Avnevi on the 7th of August. Because that confirms what the Georgian refugees from Kekhvi (north of Avnevi) said that I met in Tbilisi. They had fled their home village during the day of the 7th after the village had been under heavy shellings from Ossetian fire. They didn't dare to go on the main road so they had to walk through the forest first and then by car to get around Tskhinvali. But while escaping by car they were shelled by fire from Tskhinvali that they believed came from Russians. One car was hit and two women were killed. This explains why Mikheil Saakashvili asked for ceasefire in the evening, but after no response the Georgian side launched its attack. Another refugee I talked to had actually seen a killed Russian Spetsnaz in that area, which also confirms that Russian troops were there already then. But so far I haven't seen anything of this in any news. Närking (talk) 11:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I believe both sides are not ready to open their books. Some European governments especially France & Germany are sure Georgia had walked in the trap Russia had prepared for months. But these governments cannot answer the questions what Georgia should have done regarding the escalation since spring 2008. German foreign minister's diplomatic failure before war in Abkhazia when the separatists rejecting the Western plans and Georgia's offer of far-reaching autonomy must have been a signal to the "West" that the dice was cast. The Scandinavians and Baltics are sure that Bucharest NATO decision against Ukraine & Georgia was like an invitation to invasion in Georgia. Elysander (talk) 20:46, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Putin's Pandora Box opens up ? [7] Elysander (talk) 16:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
My bad. So much reverting going on there that I missed that sentence. --Xeeron (talk) 20:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
No problem at all. This article is a perpetuum mobile. The biggest nonsense you will find if you are checking the sources. As i told before - real work on article is just beginning. :)) Elysander (talk) 16:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 20:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Don't provoke an edit war by changing a stable version As i can watch you are trying to revert a rather "stable" sentence in article's leader to a version which is in this formulation the version of one conflict party. If you prefer another version don't start an edit war but discuss the questions on talk page. Personally you were also trying to insert a corrupt version of the events in Poti harbour. --Elysander (talk) 21:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on 2008 South Ossetia war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 23:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Pure nonsense! You did start an edit war on various places in the leader at the same time later supported by some "fellow travellers". And YOU didn't use the talk page. 1) The sentence ( On 7 August) was already a comprise formulation weeks ago. Without any necessity you are trying to push the interpretation of only one conflict party in the leader provoking knowingly an edit war. One of your supporters were not yet able to read the time line in his blind support of your POV pushing. 2) Your preferred terminus technicus doesn't seem to fit exactly the facts in Poti; nearly all examples in the linked article are cases of self-destruction. I will insert again in simple plain words what happened in Poti: set on fire and sunk by Russian forces. ;) Elysander (talk) 00:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Luis Dingley // November 12, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Understanding Oil Prices for Russia:
145 $ - The current world order should be questioned, we demand multipolarity !
130 $ - Moscow should become a new center of economy
120 $ - We are not afraid of the new Cold War
110 $ - Georgia should be crushed!
100 $ - Why is the whole world against us?
90 $ - I think we exaggerated in Georgia
80 $ - We are ready to have international observers in the conflict zones
70 $ - We are biggest ally of US, right Barak?
60 $ - Just a reminder, we still poses numerous nuclear war heads
50 $ - We are ready for negotiations
40 $ - We support Georgia’s and Ukraine’s integration with NATO
30 $ - We demand Georgia’s and Ukraine’s integration with NATO !
20 $ - Vladimir and Dimitry fled, Moscow is Free
-- Elysander (talk) 01:07, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Umm, the real Russian name is Dmitry. Not Dimitry. But you're right, "Dimitry" surely sounds more villainous:)) FeelSunny (talk) 11:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
BTW, we already went under 40$, and the things you suggested still didn't happen :) At least Russia does not have a huge national debt like some "efficient" always-stay-withing-EU-budget-deficit-rules Central European countries, which already owe 65% of GDP and counting. Offliner (talk) 13:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Do I have your permission to add this to my talk page? I will label it as "Views on Russia from Elysander, and unbiased wikipedia editor". Can I? Please? Also, you may not be aware, but in Moscow this dude, Yury Luzhkov, is kinda a big deal HistoricWarrior007 (talk) 05:25, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
You keep attacking me in your edit summaries, please read WP:PA and watch your language when commenting. Also do not forget WP:3RR when participating in the edit wars over unstable article content. (Igny (talk) 23:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC))
Let it be! Nonsense must be called nonsense. If you are permanently trying to "translate" the simple English word "believe" into "call", "approve" or other words , or to sell us manipulated quotes again and again as direct/verbatim quoting it must be stated officially in an edit summary. And please don't forget: regarding leader's content only one edit warrior exists since days >> (Igny (talk) - - - Elysander (talk) 11:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on 2008 South Ossetia war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. CIreland (talk) 21:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Hmm ... would you be so kind and checking your decision? I cannot see any edit warring in this part of article. I did remove completely unsourced subsections which were inserted by one user within the last 1-2 days. The only reliable informations are already available in article's info box. The reasons for removing therefore as I said explicitly in edit's summary: subsection without any sources & redundancy. Elysander (talk) 15:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
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Definitely no edit warring exists in this part of the article. I did remove just inserted subsections which lack any sources. A lot of rumours were introduced without citing any sources. Few informations are already available in article's infobox, therefore redundant.
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I'm sorry, you clearly reverted multiple editors over editorial issues. I can see no exceptions to the 3rr rule here; are you claiming WP:BLP somehow? I'm not comfortable unblocking if you cannot understand what was done against policy. Kuru talk 19:05, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
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I did read again 3RR. And obviously I misinterpreted "edits against consensus, ... are not exempt." I did interpret such edits as de-facto-vandalism.
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I don't know if you have seen it yet but apparently we both have been declared anti-Russian [10]. Seems like some people can't see the difference between Putin and Russia. Närking (talk) 22:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
"Mir kommen die Tränen ... vor Lachen!!" ;) Happy Xmas! :) Elysander (talk) 23:04, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, I can say he is known among scholars but as he isn't translated to Swedish for example he is unknown among most people. Hope you had a great time in interesting Bruxelles. I surely had an interesting trip to Tallinn and Estonia. It's really a well-preserved medieval city with lots of common history with both Sweden and Germany. But guess which is the biggest tourist group there? It's in fact Russians who apparently aren't so afraid to visit eSStonia. In fact I would say Russians are treated very good there. Närking (talk) 08:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Surely most Russians prefer visiting Tallin (some would say Talinn:)) and Riga to visiting Barcelona and Paris - after all, you can go on a tour to these stars of Baltic for the same sum. And, for example, Bruxelles is no match to Tallin, that's for sure:)
Oh my Goodness! Are you sure even Russian tourists are treated good in estonia? My, my... And what about Jews and cyclists? (to make sure you or someone would not be offended by another unknown source, I'll give a link: [12]). Regards, FeelSunny (talk) 11:24, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
I would gladly come there and see yet another European country, the problem is that I can not think of a one thing I would like to see in Estonia. Not that I do not like middle ages German cities, I just feel that I can get much more in terms of sightseeing and in terms of service going to Greece, or France, or Spain.
I absolutely beleive the majority of Estonian citizens does not give a flying f*ck about neo-fascist movements and SS veterans, and does not have anything against Russians as an ethnos. However, when you encounter a commentary like "In fact I would say Russians are treated very good there" - it looks a little nationalist, to say the least. Would you say like "I feel Jews are treated good there"? Why shouldn't they be? Why do you think it's right to speak about treating an ethnos good or bad? FeelSunny (talk) 11:15, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
"My Russian friend had never heard of eSStonia" - (S)he becomes as popular as the Elysander's talk page is:)) Is (s)he living in Russia? then I really doubt (s)he could have missed this term if only (s)he has any interest in politics. FeelSunny (talk) 05:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Mutual rules for getting a visa for EU and Russia are absolutely identical. In case you book a hotel, you surely need no invitation. In case you live in a friend's house, you need an invitation, that's quite reasonable. And of course, I would prefer both EU and Russia abolish these bureaucratic rules, but that's solely for EU to decide. FeelSunny (talk) 16:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Not to discuss documents, it may take days (believe me, it ususally takes several days) just taking the visa application to a EU country embassy yourself. I personally spent 3 days in a queue at Finnish embassy and however, never entered it. I gave in and went to see friends in St.Petersburg instead of visiting Finland last time. Please take into account it was -30 Celsius in the street and these guys make you wait in the street not even providing the basic heating. Most people go to the nearby cafes, but there you have a perfect opportunity to miss your turn, as they let people in in groups, sometimes 30, sometimes 5 persons. Overall, from your side this all seems to look stupid, from my side it looks disgusting. FeelSunny (talk) 17:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Great Talk page Elysander! Above here FeelSunny writes: "I would prefer both EU and Russia abolish these bureaucratic rules, but that's solely for EU to decide". I don't see why that is solely for the EU to decide, Ukraine abolished it's Visa rules for foreigners years ago... Although you still have to fill in a stupid form and wait hours at Boryspil Airport before you can give customs that form but that's still way simpler then what the parents of my Crimean friend have to do to get to W-Europe, they have to travel all the way to Kyiv to get a Visa... It would be great if EU would abolish the Visa-rules for Ukrainians and Russian. Does Jörg-Peter Findeisen agree? P.S. Ich can aug Duetch spreggen, aber nigt gut written :) — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 00:47, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the head's-up. It may also still be the case, that personnel from the sunk vessel were not military but classified as border police, and for that reason, not listed. Yeah, a loophole, but a convenient one. Or they never died. :) 5 killed from the Navy seems to indicate no naval vessel sunk in action and we know the ones in Poti were evacutated before being disposed of by demolition crews. Best, --Mareklug talk 14:44, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
There is a vote up again at Talk:2008 South Ossetia war#Article name vote. Närking (talk) 22:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Sorry .. just came back. 2 months of an archaeological project in a nearly I-net free zone :)). Elysander (talk) 21:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Good to see you're back! Not much have changed here I guess. As you maybe have seen already the vote was hijacked [13]. So I'm sure the archaeological project must have been much more exciting! Närking (talk) 09:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
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