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Excellent work in promoting this long neglected philosophy

Hello FourLights,

I share your goal in trying to make more people aware of Chinese Legalism in the face of the overwhelming focus on Confucianism and Daoism which seem to have dominated the perception of Chinese Philosophy so long in the West. You're more knowledgeable than I am in this field I can see, and we can use all the help we can get! I wish I had more time to devote to toward this aim, but it's great to see more people with that same goal.

Sivartnosredna7 (talk) 21:18, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm looking for editors.FourLights (talk) 07:06, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

That's cool, I like 法家. 邬山 (talk) 17:24, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Editing chinese legalism page

Hi FourLights,

Great work on the page. When I ran across it this morning I thought that it was an interesting and important page, but (in its then state) disorganized. So I did my best to put it in better order. I hope it works for you. I think its current organization now is pretty good, but the details of the information that go in each section isn't something that I personally want to tackle. I studied Chinese philosophy in college, but that was years ago and I'm no expert. So... Go to it! and Good Luck! StephenFerg (talk) 20:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

The core ideology of socialism

Hey man, thanks for your generous contribution to my page. I just got a few questions to ask you. Why do you think the title should be changed to Core Socialist Values, what's the differences in your eyes? Why do you devide the sections to be what it is now, as below? And why you name the 2nd section as Program? 1 Background 2 Program 3 Impact 4 See also 5 Further reading 6 References 邬山 (talk) 17:22, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I think it's good to have some division in an article. I'm not very good with naming sections... If you have other ideas, feel free to edit and I'll give it a look.FourLights (talk) 23:20, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

It appears to be translated as Core Socialist Values in the west. If you have sources using another translation, I would be interested in using them and considering an alternative translation.FourLights (talk) 23:15, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Criticize Lin, Criticize Confucius

Hi. I appreciate your your work and research on that article: it definitely needs more reliable sources. I wrote most of the content of that article preceding your edit, and I want to work with you to blend the two sources we cited together a bit better, mostly through prose.

I would like to be able to write the citations for the sources that you cited in the article in MLA style: right now the citations are a bit hard to interpret. Can you tell me the full names of the authors, and the names of the books/journals/articles where the information is from? Did you find the books/articles online, or were you working with paper sources?Ferox Seneca (talk) 06:08, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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Legalism article: Terms like "shi" ("position") and indeed "fa" itself seem to fall into what modern Europeans regard as the marketplace of ideas, Holmes' idea but not his term

You seem to avoid the pitfalls of "original research" thus far (I'm almost done reading the article and took a small dip into the "talk") and there is no way to introduce my suggestion into the article, but let's say the "talk" section is the real scholarly work on Wikipedia. It's said a chimpanzee has 99% the genome of the Homo sapiens, which makes any two H. sapiens identical, so that when you see a whirlwind and say, "Gosh," and I hear your "Gosh" and you say you saw a whirlwind, I have a pretty good idea of what kind of whirlwind it was. So the practice of inactivity, for example, is the ruler watching the marketplace of ideas--a better word would be information--resolve itself so facts and names are understood--the two sectors of the marketplace: the whirlwinds and the "goshes"--. One cannot mourn that the market does not produce the insulated coffee cup one would prefer. So does legalism require absolutism? One scholar somewhere tonight tied legalism to totalitarianism. In my experience, legalism has meant the shoe-horning of non-legal concepts into legal forms, like, "I really ought to like this person," whom I abhor, as I find. In fact, I find that law has a very small province. STOP signs and the like. I have tonight ordered from Amazon, for delivery by the next millennium, a collection of articles on metaphysics in classical China, led by investigating one of your terms to a Google book excerpt where "shi", "position", is discussed. I thought immediately of Plato and Aristotle, the one and the many, indeed the excerpt contains a version of that, unity and diversity, with the supposed poles being that for Plato all exemplars only exist to the extent they partake of the Form while legitimate Aristotelianism holds that you only approach the form, the essence, after grappling with many candidate exemplars (illegitimate Aristotelianism, scholasticism, being again the "triumphalism" whereby you either encounter the essence shorn of its accidentals, the school solution, or you know nothing at all). In general, we know what to do without thinking about it. We put on our pants one leg at a time, unless we're sitting down, or perhaps have no pants, etc. If we think too much, we fall over. Likewise a collection of people must respect each other and leave each other alone if all are to thrive, but the wrecker must be confronted. A wrecker is defined as someone taking refuge in abstractions, legalism, and thus blinded going about smashing things. So your entire article is refreshing, a daily visit to xinhuanet.com being a visit to the Xi fan club and yet he seems to be doing quite well by himself and by China. The main complaint that would be laid against Western Asia--Europe--would be its failure to trust markets. Instead, there is an elite, its intrigues, its unifying denial of factuality and consequently its ready assertion of uniform solutions--six feet social distancing here in the US, like a feeble "Heil, Hitler" from some teenager or pensioner in 1945 Berlin rubble. So I offer a term: markets. It stands to reason that Chinese emperors and ministers never quite encountered that origin of all statecraft. I am still amazed that "economics" does not come from some word meaning, say, homeostasis, but rather "house". Clutter attracts clutter.Chrisrushlau (talk) 06:41, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

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