News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2023).

Administrator changes

Clovermoss

Dennis Brown

• Julia W
• Marasmusine
• PBS

CheckUser changes

• Aoidh
• HJ Mitchell
• Sdrqaz
• Spicy
• ToBeFree
• Vanamonde93
• Z1720

Maxim

• Enterprisey
• Izno
• SilkTork

Oversighter changes

• Aoidh
• Firefly
• Sdrqaz
• ToBeFree
• Z1720

Maxim

• Enterprisey
• Izno
• SilkTork

Arbitration

• Following the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Aoidh, Cabayi, Firefly, HJ Mitchell, Maxim, Sdrqaz, ToBeFree, Z1720.
• Following a motion, the Arbitration Committee rescinded the restrictions on the page name move discussions for the two Ireland pages that were enacted in June 2009.
• The arbitration case Industrial agriculture has been closed.

Miscellaneous

• The New Pages Patrol backlog drive is happening in January 2024 to reduce the backlog of articles in the new pages feed. Currently, there is a backlog of over 13,000 unreviewed articles awaiting review. Sign up here to participate!

I should probably mention that Patient Zero has been my username since 2016, not 2014, as I underwent a rename! But I do appreciate your rapid closing of that thread and the way that you dealt with the matter. :-) Patient Zero^talk 21:31, 6 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

[1]? --Hammersoft (talk) 21:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Patient Zero: Oh, and congrats on being the first human to post on this talk page this year :) --Hammersoft (talk) 21:33, 6 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My username back then was Chesnaught555, and my first edit to Wikipedia was to clarify what that Pokémon’s signature move was! 14-year-old me was quite the fan of the franchise… I still use the same account, but I had it renamed to Patient Zero in 2016. And thank you! That’s an honour :-) Patient Zero^talk 21:39, 6 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, I'm Qwerfjkl (bot). I have automatically detected that this edit performed by you, on the page Sonia Furstenau, may have introduced referencing errors. They are as follows:

• A "bare URL and missing title" error. References show this error when they do not have a title. Please edit the article to add the appropriate title parameter to the reference. (Fix | Ask for help)

Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, Qwerfjkl (bot) (talk) 21:44, 15 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy New Year

2024

-- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:02, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

story · music · places

Today a friend's birthday, with related music and new vacation pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:02, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I added cast members based on the film's end credits. DareshMohan (talk) 01:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@DareshMohan: I'm sure you did. You are among a great many editors who keep trying to add and/or change the order of actors in a cast in South Asian films. This has been going on for more than ten years, and has become highly disruptive. You'll change it, and soon enough someone will come along and change it to their preferred version. Over and over and over and over and over again this happens. Did you know there are frequently different versions of a film based on where it is distributed to? What you saw is not what someone else will necessarily see. If you're going to change the case, then please...PLEASE...find reliable, secondary sources to support the change. That's really your only chance for your preferred version to remain the accepted version. --Hammersoft (talk) 01:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@DareshMohan: and I have undone your edit again. Provide a reliable, secondary source. --Hammersoft (talk) 01:22, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Per WP:FILMCAST, we order cast members based on the credits or any official source. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:00, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Kailash29792: Hey that's great! Ok, which release of a given film would you like to use? Which one is authoritative? The film gets released in one region, it has one order. It gets released in another, it gets another order. So, which one? It's not enough to say put it in order the film puts it in. Barring consensus on what is considered the authoritative version (and we'd need proof of that via WP:RS), then WP:NOCON sustains. I.e., we keep it the way it was. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:51, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I do not think American films have different credits orders by region... within the same nation! But if there are changes made for other English speaking nations, we still go by the de facto, ie the country the film was produced in. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:00, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am referring to South Asian films. Within that sphere, it is common for different regional releases to have different cast orders. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:23, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Indian films even with overseas DVDs maintain the same print so the cast order doesn't change. Can you show an example where the order changed? DareshMohan (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See the various threads regarding cast order changes at Talk:Twenty:20 (film). That's as good a primer on this subject as anything. I've seen similar disputes on the IMDB community forum as well. The constant changes in cast order is highly disruptive. When does it end? Why...WHY...does it matter so much that people have to keep changing it? As an example, see the IMDB entry for this movie's cast. It claims it's in credits order [2]. Except, their credits order doesn't agree with what's here. On YouTube, Aditya Music India (who has rights to the music so should have some authority) shows a different cast order [3]. So, whose credits order is right? And on it goes. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:28, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Okay that film is an extreme multistarrer. I guess your right. Saying that the Aditya Music one matches the end credits is original research. DareshMohan (talk) 02:30, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Saying that any of them is authoritative over another is as well. That's one of the many reasons this cast order business keeps happening over and over and over and over again. --Hammersoft (talk) 02:32, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Hammersoft You messaged me yesterday regarding an edit I made to Richard Sands (businessman). I'm new to Wikipedia but was looking to correct an error that I found. Would any of these articles be sufficient for you to change it back to Jennifer Burns or just to Jennifer (as opposed to removing his wife's name entirely which another user did last night)? I could not find a way to add citations to the info box that I tried to edit. Thanks for any help you can provide!

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/realestate/with-five-children-and-eight-grandchildren-the-nest-wasnt-empty.html

https://www.rit.edu/news/sands-studios-dedicated (see picture caption)

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/fltimes/name/marilyn-sands-obituary?id=35666661

Lreg4414 (talk) 16:12, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Lreg4414: First, welcome! You're doing fine. Nobody expects you to be an expert! As to the sources, none of those sources indicate a name other than "Jennifer Burns" (well, I couldn't read all of the NYT source as it's behind a paywall). Could you add "Jennifer"? Yes. Add a maiden name based on those sources? No. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Hammersoft Thank you! That makes sense. Could you let me know how to add a citation to the info box so the change gets approved or is that something that you are able to do as an administrator? Lreg4414 (talk) 16:39, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In your editing window, there is a link in the upper bar that says "Cite". Click on that, then in the left drop down menus where it says "Template", select "cite web". In the resulting pop up box, paste the URL of the citation into the URL box and click on the magnifying glass to the right of it. That will populate some fields of the template (not all; it depends on the website being used and how compliant they are with markup standards). Click on the little calendar to the right of "Access date" to add today's date. Click "insert", and the citation is added to the text you're wanting to support. More help is available at Wikipedia:Citing sources. You don't have to be an administrator to edit things here, including adding citations. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That may well be one of our returning nuisances. Thanks for taking care of it; I upped the blocks as CU-confirmed. Drmies (talk) 18:26, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Very well could be. I figured it was an attack name when I saw it while patrolling the user creation log. Their edit confirmed it. I probably should have blocked on sight. Oh well. --Hammersoft (talk) 04:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2024).

Administrator changes

• Red-tailed hawk
• Robertsky

• Ameliorate!
• Ancheta Wis
• Anthony Bradbury (deceased)
• Cobi
• Ev
• Moondyne
• Worm That Turned

Bureaucrat changes

Worm That Turned

CheckUser changes

Wugapodes

Interface administrator changes

• Enterprisey
• Izno

Guideline and policy news

• An RfC about increasing the inactivity requirement for Interface administrators is open for feedback.

Technical news

• Pages that use the JSON contentmodel will now use tabs instead of spaces for auto-indentation. This will significantly reduce the page size. (T326065)

Arbitration

• Following a motion, the Arbitration Committee adopted a new enforcement restriction on January 4, 2024, wherein the Committee may apply the 'Reliable source consensus-required restriction' to specified topic areas.
• Community feedback is requested for a draft to replace the "Information for administrators processing requests" section at WP:AE.

Miscellaneous

• Voting in the 2024 Steward elections will begin on 06 February 2024, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 27 February 2024, 14:00 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
• A vote to ratify the charter for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is open till 2 February 2024, 23:59:59 (UTC) via Secure Poll. All eligible voters within the Wikimedia community have the opportunity to either support or oppose the adoption of the U4C Charter and share their reasons. The details of the voting process and voter eligibility can be found here.
• Community Tech has made some preliminary decisions about the future of the Community Wishlist Survey. In summary, they aim to develop a new, continuous intake system for community technical requests that improves prioritization, resource allocation, and communication regarding wishes. Read more
• The Unreferenced articles backlog drive is happening in February 2024 to reduce the backlog of articles tagged with ((Unreferenced)). You can help reduce the backlog by adding citations to these articles. Sign up to participate!

story · music · places

Today I am happy about a singer on the Main page (at least for the first hours), after TFA the same day last year. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks to Seiji Ozawa. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to music by Tchaikovsky (an article where one of the four is pictured), sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think of family as not being defined by either physical or genetic distance, but rather emotional distance. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Precious

Six years!

Good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:18, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Listen to music from Ukraine if you like, - I heard it in 2022, and the November concert (at a different church) raised a truckload of winter clothes. My story today is also from my life: I heard the singer in 3 of the 4 mentioned musical items. I sang in yesterday's. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for this revert but the editor, previously an IP, made earlier changes that didn't get reverted – I can't because I'm at 3RR. Would you be willing to? 81.187.192.168 (talk) 15:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've reverted it to stable, prior to all the revisionist changes. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:05, 8 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is the last time I’m trying, if this isn’t good enough, then Wikipedia isn’t for me, could you please look at my draft? Draft:Benji Krol if there are any small errors, please just help me and fix them instead of declining it. Joshbanana (talk) 04:16, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Joshbanana: I've done some clean up on it, cleaning up section heads per WP:MOS, adding a section head for references, correcting a minor typo, removing birthdate per WP:DOB (no reliable secondary source supporting it), and re-added the afc submission base template. I also removed four references to International Business Times, as this source is not considered reliable. See WP:IBTIMES. I'm not going to review it for acceptability as an article, as I find I am biased against the subject given the history of this draft production. It would not be fair for me to assess it. It is, at least, in better shape than it was. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(ref: Draft:INDIAN ONLINE CLASSES), 13iehpatel (talk · contribs))

While patrolling the recent changes feed, I noticed that user who created this draft twice has now recreated it again. ''Flux55'' (talk) 14:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Flux55: Deleted, salted since it's been created in essentially the same form and deleted three times, and editor warned. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! --Hammersoft (talk) 16:22, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Greetings. Jamarr81 is back to blatant sockpuppetry here. They don't even try to hide it. Thanks. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:58, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Sangdeboeuf: Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I've tagged the sock, blocked the sockmaster indefinitely, and placed an explanatory note on their talk page. Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 14:03, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Hammersoft. This was a confirmed joe-job.[4] I'd encourage you to reverse these actions. Thanks. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 09:21, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Forgive me, but I don't understand what it is you want me to do. If there's some admin action you think should be taken in regards to my admin actions, please feel free to do so. --Hammersoft (talk) 10:56, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Um, I was asking you to reverse the actions. Sorry if I was unclear, and more apologies if what I'm about to say is checkuser-xplaining. Technical evidence makes it clear that Rramaj18 (talk · contribs · block log) was an account created and operated by Architect 134 (talk · contribs · block log), an LTA and troll, in order to trick administrators into blocking Jamarr81 (talk · contribs · block log), indefinitely, for something Jamarr81 did not do. The complaint above by Sangdeboeuf was reporting a deception. Your action in extending the block was based on a false premise. There's no blame to be assigned here, as Architect 134 has trolled many others before and they're pretty good at it. However you have been trolled, blocking Jamarr81 for "Abusing multiple accounts" is a mistake, and I'm asking you to fix your mistake in light of the new facts. I've pointed out many other joe-jobs to many other admins before, and they've always been happy to learn from it, undo the troll's work, and correct the record. Thanks. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 11:36, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, I don't feel I've been trolled. I'm not going to give them that recognition. If they want to waste their lives doing stuff like that, so be it. Thanks for telling me about it. I'll clear the block. --Hammersoft (talk) 23:55, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 02:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, I noticed you blocked the user I reported to UAA. There was another user in the log that was created by the same user with an offensive username. Both offensive summaries were the same. Could you revdel? Thank you. ClumsyOwlet (talk) 20:55, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I picked up on that username not from UAA but from the user creation log. I did see the other two. The other two are not inherently problematic with regards to the username policy. I will continue to monitor. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:47, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The summary in the User creation log probably is, though. ClumsyOwlet (talk) 21:55, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. --Hammersoft (talk) 04:13, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2024).

Administrator changes Sdkb The Night Watch East718 Isabelle Belato Mzajac Staecker Stan Shebs Sugarfish Tamzin

Bureaucrat changes SilkTork

Guideline and policy news

• Phase I of the 2024 RfA review is now open for participation. Editors are invited to review, comment on, and propose improvements to the requests for adminship process.
• Following an RfC, the inactivity requirement for the removal of the interface administrator right increased from 6 months to 12 months.

Technical news

• The mobile site history pages now use the same HTML as the desktop history pages. (T353388)

Miscellaneous

• The 2024 appointees for the Ombuds commission are だ＊ぜ, AGK, Ameisenigel, Bennylin, Daniuu, Doǵu, Emufarmers, Faendalimas, MdsShakil, Minorax, Nehaoua, Renvoy and RoySmith as members, with Vermont serving as steward-observer.
• Following the 2024 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: Ajraddatz, Albertoleoncio, EPIC, JJMC89, Johannnes89, Melos and Yahya.