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== Bach ==

I like your improvements to his article! The number of cantatas: I can't access the ref, I also doubt that a choir website would be the best source for that number, --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:34, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
:Nice to hear your comments User:Gerda Arendt. The source being used here is Professor George Stauffer from Rutgers University in the U.S. He has written a good book review of the new Bach book by Gardiner ''Music in the Castle of Heaven''. At 600 pages it is one of the best studies on the Cantatas in recent years. The book review itself might be found electronically on the website for ''The New York Review of Books'' in the current issue. It should at least give you more details about the source if this helps out. [[User:LawrencePrincipe|LawrencePrincipe]] ([[User talk:LawrencePrincipe#top|talk]]) 01:40, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
:: I found several reviews of the book online, but how would any of them support the number of cantatas which Bach wrote? We know how many are extant, and we know of some by other means, like a libretto, but how can we be sure how many are completely lost without a trace? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:32, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

:::Yes, the New York Review of Book review by Stauffer from last year is still one of the best ones available. There are 190 extant Cantatas for which copies survive of the nearly 300 Cantatas which where documented in the various registries of the Churches for which he wrote them. Prof Greenberg gives an account of the unfortunate sales and destruction of many of Bach's manuscripts left in his Will and Testament to relatives. If there is time over the next few days then I can try to make a short edit about this unfortunate legacy after his life where many manuscripts were lost. [[User:LawrencePrincipe|LawrencePrincipe]] ([[User talk:LawrencePrincipe#top|talk]]) 19:22, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

:::: (I removed "@Gerda Arendt" from your comment above. What we say is for all ;) - Call me Gerda, - and I will watch from time to time, no need for a ping, which works only with a link anyway. You may want to compare the findings to List of Bach cantatas and perhaps change there. For the composer Bach, I suggest you propose on the talk page and discuss, rather than changing back and forth, explaining in edit summaries some readers are unable to find. We will never know how many cantatas Bach composed exactly, because some may have been lost without the slightest trace. How do different versions count, for example [[BWV 134|134]] and 134a where the only difference is the text (and shortening)? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 15:47, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::Nice of you to bring this up here. It seems the best direction would be to take the same approach as for the "lost books" of the classical authors of philosophy and tragedy. It would likely work on the Bach page. The lost works of Aristotle provide a useful model. It is an unfortunate circumstance of history that the five Masses of Bach are no longer all available. [[User:LawrencePrincipe|LawrencePrincipe]] ([[User talk:LawrencePrincipe#top|talk]]) 16:40, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::: I suggest you start an article on the topic, as we have [[Lost operas by Claudio Monteverdi]], because it is certainly too much for the composer's page which is lacking more important facts. Until yesterday, we didn't even have articles on two of the four churches he was responsible for. I will expand and then add with a link. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:56, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::That is really a nicely done article on the Lost operas as started by Brianboulton. The material on Bach which you refer to is usually covered in Bach biographies to show that Bach's fame as a composer only began many decades after his death, which partially explains the lost manuscripts and transcriptions. If you are interested in doing the Lost transcripts of Bach as a separate article analogous to the Monteverdi, then the starting outline is fairly straightforward: (a) The lost Cantatas, 190 survive, over 100 lost; (b) The 3 lost Passions, only Matthew and John survive, one of the lost ones is Mark; (c) The 4 lost Masses; only the Bminor survives. If you start something like this, the first stop might be to try to identify who took over Bach's assigned office at the Thomaschule since many of the transcriptions of the Cantatas and other works were kept there. [[User:LawrencePrincipe|LawrencePrincipe]] ([[User talk:LawrencePrincipe#top|talk]]) 23:29, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

==Talkback==
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==Hi there!==
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:Done. [[User:LawrencePrincipe|LawrencePrincipe]] ([[User talk:LawrencePrincipe#top|talk]]) 16:38, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

==governance==
thank you for your question! Indeed, I have not used this angle and I am not too familiar with this approach, although it does sound sensible and resembles general governance standards studies. [[User:Pundit|<span style="color: blue;">Pundit</span>]]|[[User talk:Pundit|<span style="color: green;">utter</span>]] 03:53, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not sure whom are you referring to... [[User:Pundit|<span style="color: blue;">Pundit</span>]]|[[User talk:Pundit|<span style="color: green;">utter</span>]] 06:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
::No, absolutely no idea. Obviously, I cannot edit the article myself as in COI. But that's awkward indeed :) [[User:Pundit|<span style="color: blue;">Pundit</span>]]|[[User talk:Pundit|<span style="color: green;">utter</span>]] 17:00, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

==Gender gap task force==
Could you preview ideas on the talk page? We really need to discuss them among those of use who have a sincere interest in the project. I know you have some views you are promoting that are constructive and of interest, but we still need to try to act collaboratively. Thanks! <small>'''[[User:Carolmooredc|Carolmooredc]]  ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|Talkie-Talkie]])'''</small> 03:08, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
==[[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] ==
There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruption_of_Wikiproject|Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.  Specifically, you may wish to explain why [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force&diff=615640539&oldid=615524564 this suggestion] isn't as ridiculous on its face as it appears. --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 03:14, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

== Regarding [[Wikipedia]] article's recent changes. ==

Hi. I recently saw your discussions on [[Talk:Wikipedia]]. You may want to check this section at the talk-page, if you have not already done so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikipedia#Blatant_deletion_of_important.2C_relevant_and_reference-backed_content_.28without_any_discussion.29_by_User:Chealer.
Regards, --[[User:Engineering Guy|EngineeringGuy]] ([[User talk:Engineering Guy|talk]]) 12:42, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

== My revert ==
Hi Lawrence, just to explain my revert [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias%2FGender_gap_task_force&diff=647111735&oldid=646884711 here], it made the scope section long, and it isn't really about the gender gap (i.e. why women don't edit WP and what we can do about it). [[User:SlimVirgin|Sarah (SV)]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 22:33, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

:Re: your reply on my page (better to keep the discussion in one place), the edit was about the numbers of editors falling in general (and it was very long). It said nothing about why women are not editing and how to change that, which is what that section is about. If by incentives, you mean why we want women editing, it's not just to swell numbers. [[User:SlimVirgin|Sarah (SV)]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 01:21, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks for getting back on this. Both Susan and JWhales have asked that the 25% goal be taken seriously (they identify it as the half-way point to full gender parity). Are you sure you want to leave the article without any discussion of incentives to achieving goals? [[User:LawrencePrincipe|LawrencePrincipe]] ([[User talk:LawrencePrincipe#top|talk]]) 03:40, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
:::There's a notice at the top of the page listing some of incentives, namely fewer women = less content, lower quality, systematic bias. [[User:SlimVirgin|Sarah (SV)]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 22:26, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
::::The cited 2014 ''Economist'' article was published as a warning sign to Wikipedia that attrition losses in editor numbers need to be addressed. The potential number of possible female editors available represents the largest available demographic for ameliorating the attrition losses being suffered at Wikipedia since 2007 and on (the cited Economist article). Attracting more women editors at the Susan and JWales level would substantially ameliorate the documented attrition problem which is currently not covered in the article. [[User:LawrencePrincipe|LawrencePrincipe]] ([[User talk:LawrencePrincipe#top|talk]]) 01:49, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

==Personal pronoun usage==
::The last 5000 new accounts (that have edited) were 9 male, 1 female, 4990 unset.  All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'',&nbsp;<small>16:13,&nbsp;18&nbsp;February&nbsp;2015&nbsp;(UTC).</small><br />
:::Thanks, [[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]], that is important to keep in mind (also, specifying user gender is only possible since [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2011-October/001790.html october 2011]):
:::*Quarry [http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/669 Masc vs Femin ptwiki_p]
:::*Quarry [http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/671 Masc vs Femin in dewiki]
:::*Quarry [http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/625 swedishWP gender]
:::*Quarry [https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/1888 swedishWP admin gender]
:::"''However there is no reason that a full text analysis of all talk page contributions could not be done, and it might well lead to a model with good gender predictive power, since there is a valid training set consisting of the gender identified users.''" - Except that this would be freaking creepy! --[[User:Atlasowa|Atlasowa]] ([[User talk:Atlasowa|talk]]) 16:37, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
::::*Quarry [http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/2091 Male and female <s>users</s> accounts on enwiki]
:::: Declared: male = 502573, female=98369 , female = 16.40% of those with declared gender.
::::*Quarry [http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/2092 Male and female admins on enwiki]
:::: Admins: female=56, male= 600.  
:::: All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'',&nbsp;<small>17:04,&nbsp;18&nbsp;February&nbsp;2015&nbsp;(UTC).</small><br />

==Archiving==
Archiving on VP(T) is set to 120 hours without a comment I beleive.  The archive bot does not recognise my signature, however it it not likely that that section will be archived before several more days have passed.  All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'',&nbsp;<small>23:26,&nbsp;7&nbsp;March&nbsp;2015&nbsp;(UTC).</small><br />
:((ping|Rich Farmbrough)) Yes, I noticed that its at the top of VP and put a note on the Talk page at Gender Gap by your graph. It should be of top interest to keep tracking this data while trying to expand voluntary participation in the self-identification of editor's gender. Gender is otherwise generally tracked on all passports and other IDs so it shouldn't be overly objectionable. Maybe putting the pronoun preference tab at the top of the new editor preferences page would increase the likelihood of new editors self-identifying pronoun preference in order to track the gender stats progress. Your graph was on target. Cheers. [[User:LawrencePrincipe|LawrencePrincipe]] ([[User talk:LawrencePrincipe#top|talk]]) 01:46, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

== RE: Glengarry Glen Ross ==

Hi Lawrence,

I noticed your edit to the film's page, citing WP:LEDE, and referring to the fact that the body of the article does not support the material in the header.  That is a potentially valid style observation, and one which I believe should be addressed.  I have reverted the edit, however, because the community is currently engaged in a consensus-seeking discussion relating to the substantive content of the material.  Notwithstanding style concerns, visibility of the substantive content and its associated references (and reference flags) is necessary in order to facilitate review and discussion.  

If the consensus is to retain the material in any form, then issues of style should be addressed immediately at that time.  However, it would be silly to edit the body of the article (to comply with WP:LEDE) where the consensus may be to remove the content altogether.  If you disagree with my reversion, then please feel free to join the discussion and include your suggestion for final disposition of the content (whether that is moving the content to the body of the article and/or out of the leader, complete removal, etc.) in the ongoing discussion on the talk page.  Thank you! [[User:Xanthis|Xanthis]] ([[User talk:Xanthis|talk]]) 12:47, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:Hi Xanthis; Running an RfC is not meant to allow person to sidestep Wikipedia policies and guidelines such as WP:LEDE. Let the RfC run, but no violation of WP:LEDE is allowed just because an RfC is initiated by an interested editor. [[User:LawrencePrincipe|LawrencePrincipe]] ([[User talk:LawrencePrincipe#top|talk]]) 13:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
::Hi Lawrence, Please substantiate your claim that asserted style concerns require immediate deletion of substantive content.  I am a relatively new user, so I am likely to be ignorant of such a policy, if one exists.  I do know enough about Wiki policy to know that the usual prescribed procedure is: 

:::Bold --> Revert --> Discuss  
:::WP:BRD

::If you disagree with a reversion, the usual remedy is to take the matter to the talk page, not to begin an edit war.

::It seems to me that your problem with the content is one of style -- that if it is mentioned in the leader, then it should also be mentioned in the body.  While that may be so, it seems to me the best solution is not to remove substantive content altogether while discussion is underway.  Visibility of the content (and its associated reference flags) is necessary to alert readers and facilitate discussion.  Any questions of style can be easily resolved as part of the discussion process. 

::Perhaps you and I could agree that the content be moved to the body of the article, while discussion is ongoing, so as to satisfy and WP:LEDE concerns that you might have? [[User:Xanthis|Xanthis]] ([[User talk:Xanthis|talk]]) 13:54, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

:::Hi ((ping|Xanthis)) Thanks for getting back on this. I did answer on Talk at the film page yesterday, but received no answer there. All comments should probably best be kept there so that they are all in one place. [[User:LawrencePrincipe|LawrencePrincipe]] ([[User talk:LawrencePrincipe#top|talk]]) 14:08, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
::::Hi Lawrence, I'd be more than happy to reply on the talk page.  But since it's probably going to be just you and I talking to one another, please help me out by letting me know your position.  First, please substantiate your claim that asserted style concerns require immediate deletion of substantive content, for my benefit.  As a new user, I like to become familiar with Wikipedia policies as I encounter them.  Second, to answer your question on the Talk page -- yes, if consensus is to retain the material, then I think it would be prudent to edit the body of the article.  

::::Perhaps you and I could agree that the content be moved to the body of the article, while discussion is ongoing, so as to satisfy and WP:LEDE concerns that you might have? [[User:Xanthis|Xanthis]] ([[User talk:Xanthis|talk]]) 14:21, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

:::::Hi Xanthis; The issue I raised on the Talk page at the film article was a serious one and should be answered there. This is generally seen as a courtesy to the other editors who have already responded to this issue there and might have more to say. [[User:LawrencePrincipe|LawrencePrincipe]] ([[User talk:LawrencePrincipe#top|talk]]) 14:30, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


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*Upon reviewing the situation, Lawrence, your behavior on that page is unacceptable. Edit warring to remove subject matter that's being actively and reasonably discussed on the talk page. Inappropriately closing an RfC, wrongfully invoking [[WP:SNOW]]&mdash;that RfC is nothing near a SNOW situation. Multiple editors had acknowledged that there was reasonable evidence supporting the fact that it was in NY. Not to mention the fact that ''you were involved'', and claimed to be acting "per WP guidelines for closure". What? First of all, there are no official "WP guidelines for closure". Second of all, if you had actually read the relevant information pages regarding this, you'd see that [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Ending RfCs]] and [[Wikipedia:Closing discussions#Closure procedure]] clearly state that formal closure can be done by an ''uninvolved editor''. You clearly violated the common practice while falsely referencing some vague guideline. Speaking of which, that's exactly what you were doing when you were removing that content from the lead. Vaguely referencing [[WP:LEDE]], while not actually specifying what part of that guideline was being so severely violated...I'll answer that mystery for you by the way&mdash;none. I can't see any way the content was blatantly violating any part of [[WP:LEDE]]. WP:LEDE says, "Apart from trivial basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." The information you were trying to remove is the epitome of trivial and I certainly wouldn't deign to call it a "significant" piece of information that needs to be covered in detail in the body of the article. I really have no idea what you're doing over there but you're behavior has been nothing short of unacceptable. See below. [[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.0em 0.0em 0.9em grey'>'''<big>S</big><small>warm...</small>'''</span>]] [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em red'><sup>'''&mdash;X&mdash;'''</sup></span>]] 06:17, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

== March 2015 ==
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== Precious ==

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'''precision to Bach'''<br />
Thank you for quality articles such as [[A Master Builder]], for adding precision to Bach's biography. for adding tone and details, images and graphs to films and plays, - you are an [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious|awesome Wikipedian]]!

--[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:20, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
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Five years ago, you were recipient no. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious#LawrencePrincipe|1158]] of Precious, a prize of QAI! --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 07:39, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

== Prometheus ==

Hi. In Jan 2015 you deleted my reference to the chemical element Promethium. I've only just noticed, and I've reinserted something similar in the introductory section. I think it's relevant, but I'm open to discussion.[[User:HuPi|HuPi]] ([[User talk:HuPi|talk]]) 20:07, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

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