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Page moves of Italian Open
I don't think your page moves are going to fly. It's one thing to move categories to the same title, but you can't just move something like "2014 Internazionali BNL d'Italia" to "2014 Italian Open (tennis)." All tennis articles are done this way... thousands upon thousands of them. We use a non-sponsored generic name for the entire event because in any given year the event name could be different. But for that particular year the name will not change. This move goes against long-standing consensus for all tennis tournaments and it will require much debate to change that. Please move the tournaments back to the way they were so someone else doesn't have to. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Adding citation done in sample article 2017 Italian Open (tennis) for the name, but the rest of the content the article was still unsourced. May be i would bring the case to Wikipedia:Village pump to fix all the tennis season article title to in lieu with their main article and common name in the reliable secondary source (e.g. BBC, The Guardian) Matthew_hktc 04:38, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
update. so far citing the name was done for 2010 to 2017 seasons. All use Italian Open. Despite mostly are BBC articles and some are Associated Press, it should have room to improve. Matthew_hktc 05:33, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying I completely disagree with you, especially for the Italian Open. But take the Indian Wells Open/Masters. It is very common to call it by it's sponsored name the BNP Paribas Open. Which is true with many tennis tournaments such as the Miami Open which was commonly called the Sony Ericsson Open. What we've tried to do is go with the official English name in any yearly article, and the non-sponsored common name for articles that deal with the tournament in general. It has worked pretty well and kept arguments down, and I don't see any real need to change things. To be honest I'd probably lean more your way for many tennis events, but I'm not going to rock the boat unless a tennis-wide RfC takes place that changes long-standing consensus. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:12, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
For other case i would certainly check the common name first, some tournament such as BMW International Open was known for its sponsor name, but not in case in Italian Open (tennis), which the "controversial" of the move was may be more favoured to Rome Masters or Italian Open as common name. Matthew_hktc 09:17, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well the BMW International Open is a golf event so you'd have to check with the golf project for their stuff. The Italian Open is far more common in English history than the Rome Masters. Actually, per English usage, it would have probably been better to call the seasonal events the BNL Italian Open rather than Internazionali BNL d'Italia, which is pretty much never used in English. But I just follow long-standing common practice. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:37, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
not sure is my bias on my google search result (which was personalized out of my control), the earlier edition (2000s) of the tennis tournament was refer as Rome Masters and sometimes stalemate between Italian Open and Rome Masters in 2010s.
And lastly the practice in tennis that using rare unfamiliar sponsor name should be corrected. Matthew_hktc 09:48, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But then for 40 years it was called the Italian Tennis Championship. And sort of a balance on yearly events. What you call "rare unfamiliar sponsor name" others chime in and say "official sourced tournament name." There is also a bit of a problem with the word "Masters." Those Masters 1000 events began in 1990, but only for the men! That's an ATP term and they give 1000 points to the winner. The ladies WTA tour has no Masters events. The WTA Italian Open is Premier 5 event and gives 900 points to the winner. So while the event has always been the Italian Championships and since the late 70s the Italian Open, it's official name has changed through the years. Even it's common name has varied a little bit with your mentioning the Rome Masters (for the men) in the late 90s and 2000s. This stewiness of names is very common at tennis events, where even their locations change. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The secondary source refer the female event as Rome Masters, despite it seem incorrect. Matthew_hktc 05:11, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Matthew, my name is Jeremy Alderman and I'm am contacting you on behalf of St. James's Place Wealth Management. I removed three negative-press references that were referenced on our page. Referencing these links that discuss St. James's Place Wealth Management as "bad financial advice" on our personal St. James's Place Wikipedia page is an act of online vandalism. We would like to keep our page a historical, informational, & neutral resource for our group, community, and our clients. I would ask that you refrain from including these links on our professional Wikipedia page. Thank you, Matthew!
