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@Mike Turnbull, DMacks, and LoomCreek: I just want to double check my knowledge before wading further into the aldol condensation vs aldol reaction issue. Aldol reactions give aldols? And when the nearly same reaction(s) proceeds further to eliminate water, then the net conversion is an aldol condensation? If that is the case, I think that we should probably recombine aldol condensation and aldol reaction. We'd keep aldol as a structural motif.

As a practical matter, it would be a good idea to get this issue (combine or not) before any students dig in. They arent equipped to figure it out.

Another practical consideration: aldol reaction is nearly 49000 bytes and aldol condensation is 17000 bytes. I think that in terms of importance, the condensation is more important that the reaction, i.e. a,b-unsaturated carbonyls are more abundant/common than beta-hydroxy carbonyls, which are somewhat fragile.--Smokefoot (talk) 22:44, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah, the condensation is just the subsequent dehydration, but is treated somewhat separately in o-chem textbooks. I think the topic is large and important enough to warrant separate articles, though as I say, that means the condensation part should not be recapitulating the content at aldol reaction very much. I agree keep aldol more or less the way it is, perhaps with some expansion and more brief summarizing/linking to the reaction topics.

But it definitely looks more and more like we feel that aldol reactions is an unhelpful content fork of aldol reaction. I can sort of see what the goal was there, but if it's confusing us, it's also confusing the readers. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:12, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also, full disclosure, I wouldn't consider myself a "real" organic chemist...hard to put a label on what kind of chemist I am, if I had assign one from the traditional disciplines I'd say analytical. So anyone feel free to correct me! Mdewman6 (talk) 23:13, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Mdewman6. Just to say that I saw the request to update the drugbox in the merged article, which I'm happy to do. At present I'm on holiday with limited internet access, so I won't get to this for 10 days or so. If you go ahead and do the bulk of the merging, I'll finish the drugbox part in due course. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've now added a chembox for the three relevant materials (R, S and RS) and started a section on the structure and stereochemistry to explain these. Unfortunately, I don't think that there is a way to embed a chembox of identifiers into a drugbox (or vice-versa), so I've put a truncated drugbox in for metirosine. Is there anything else you would like me to do, or can I leave any further tweaking (and turning metirosine into a redirect) to you? Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:01, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Michael D. Turnbull: yes, thank you! I can handle the rest of the merge. I was thinking a single chembox or drugbox would be best, but I think what we currently have is fine for now (certainly, an improvement over the content fork). Mdewman6 (talk) 00:00, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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