I suggest reducing the use of templates there, as much as possible, because the template parsing limit is an issue with that article (i.e. slow loading, blue wikimedia crash screens, and related problems). There is no difference in functionality between
((Convert|15|kg|lb|abbr=on))<ref>((cite web|title=Southern muriqui (Brachyteles arachnoides)|url=http://www.arkive.org/southern-muriqui/brachyteles-arachnoides/#text=Facts|date=2006-02-13))</ref>
and 15 kg (33 lb) <ref>[http://www.arkive.org/southern-muriqui/brachyteles-arachnoides/#text=Facts Southern muriqui videos, photos and facts - Brachyteles arachnoides]. ARKive (2006-02-13).</ref>
but the code is much lighter to parse for the latter. Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 10:54, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello Mike - I did NOT change the AVERAGE height! Somebody else had already changed it before my edit. In fact, what caught my eye in the first place was that the average height was taller than the maximum recorded height! So I knew something was wrong. Since I don't have a copy of Wood (1983), I went to the other cited source, the Washington Post article, which gives a height of "6 inches taller" than "13 feet 2 inches". So I converted 13' 8" to meters and put that in the article (using the automatic conversion) for the MAXIMUM height. I see that you have since corrected ("lowered") the average height so that now the article makes sense. Thank you! In good faith 108.17.71.21 (talk) 03:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for your edit on brown bear. Actually the content you wrote was similar to the original content i corrected in several other mammal articles but consensus was made by 2 other contributors to write that way (i.e. 22 cases vs 12 cases to keep it concise, although i didn't entirely agree). As for that ip editor, his actions were originally identified by me as a long term vandalism attempt inserting the same bear superiority misinformation in multiple articles by source misrepresentation, referencing to forum posts and cherry picked statements from otherwise reliable sources. I started to correct those articles and he retaliated by copying and pasting the same attack message in most of the talk pages. Since his ip changes all the time it is difficult to stop him completely and other editors and admins have been protecting those articles he vandalized with his bear superiority theories, i haven't taken further actions against him and I choose to ignore him completely as he could not be communicated at all (as he always insists his forum posts and fan site links are more reliable than the peer reviewed journals I use). There are other similar animal superiority propaganda going on in other articles (e.g. our leopard article - in the interspecific competition section lots of the content is based on reliable sources studying tiger and leopard interactions. However, someone has been replacing the word tiger entirely with lion in the content). I don't care which animal is more superior, I just care what information is correct. Thanks again for your help. Big Cats - talk 18:31, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
I forgot to read the + signal next to Spinosaurus aegyptiacus in Dinosaur size so I oversized it. Dinosaur Fan (talk) 00:21, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Loads of new sections are posted on the page! And most of them doesn't have answers. Dinosaur Fan (talk) 07:35, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Dashing through the prehistoric, In a one-t.rex open sleigh, All the teeth we go, Roaring all the way, Bells on Sharp Teeth Rings, Making dinosaurs bright, oh what fun is ride and roar in a one-t.rex open sleigh, Hey!
Jingle teeth, Jingle teeth, Jingle all the prehistoric, Oh what fun is ride and roar in a one-t.rex open sleigh, Hey!
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G.S. Paul estimated C. iguidensis at 10m, according to you on Talk:Dinosaur size. Did Paul estimate the weight? Dinosaur Fan (talk) 07:18, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Are there any published sources for Spinosaurus marocannus size estimates? Dinosaur Fan (talk) 12:04, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Is this a fake dinosaur? Dinosaur Fan (talk) 01:18, 27 December 2014 (UTC) S. nigerannus? Is that a fake dinosaur? Dinosaur Fan (talk) 03:19, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Is Spinosaurus rex in Wikispecies also fake? Dinosaur Fan (talk) 08:55, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Shall we separate them now? Or we shall wait for more people to vote? Since nobody started voting already. Dinosaur Fan (talk) 01:57, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Why shouldn't we use this source for Mapusaurus? Because someone did and if I have to revert that guy I would have to explain. Dinosaur Fan (talk) 00:48, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
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Someone edited Dinosaur size and put Giganotosaurus at 14m and Tyrannotitan at 13m with Paul's book. Is that incorrect? Dinosaur Fan (talk) 22:43, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
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Mike, I had been trying to reach consensus by showing respect and trust to you as any editor should show the other. However I don't know why, but for some reason you are trying to turn a mutual goal into a war edit, I hope that isn't your goal here. I don't know what got the better of you, but please if you are going to remove large chunks from an article, and it has been objected with an active conversation in the talk page, please first discuss then revert. I am showing a lot of goodwill here, trying to adhere to your debate as much as possible, removing debunked sources as long as they are consistent, however it seems to me we don't share the same goal. One thing you need to know though, synthesis happens when two irrelevant information are linked to one another, not when two confirmed information with different sources are used in separate statements linking the logic between them. If the aim of Wikipedia was to plagiarise, then entire paragraphs from sources would be copy pasted from articles. Berkserker (talk) 03:32, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Mike, thank you for the objective consideration. It is ok, exams have put all of us in a lot of stress :) You have some very constructive reasoning, this is why I was confused at first when I saw the latest edits, now it is clear after learning about your finals. These issues (very common in wiki) all begin due to some sloppy editing done by someone in the past. Years later some other editors like us try to validate the sources without having access to a lot of the original work. Therefore I want to thank you for your effort to find each source and confirm the findings. All I wanted to point out was to be sure the information/source is incorrect or irrelevant before removing it from the article. Instead putting citation tags would be more accurate, when the source doesn't match the information presented in the article. Also I want to say that you are very good in finding virtual copies of printed sources on the Internet, I would be glad if you could share some of that talent to help me find e-sources faster. Berkserker (talk) 05:15, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Now I reviewed the two sources you provided above. Here is my take on it.
- About Leach et al. (2009), either someone totally came up with those figures on their own then citing this source, or they were at separate parts of the paragraph, and during a sloppy editing session, the sentences in between were cut down and the irrelevant source ended up with that sentence. Either way we can never know, therefore until we find the alleged study, that sentence should be removed. I will go ahead and remove if you haven't done it already.
- About "The Wildlife Year", a similar issue, either the user who added the source made up there was a study, or there were more than one source and it was deleted. Again we don't know the truth, therefore this figure as well should be at least temporarily taken out until the alleged study is found. Berkserker (talk) 05:30, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
I made the changes. Also you are right that conservation reports do not contain new research other than the focus of their project, however they are official documents and they take already existing information from other research papers and publications, mostly citing them (not every detail of course). However these are scientific papers written by scientists and researchers, therefore they should be taken as valid until a newer original research shows up debunking the existing information. Berkserker (talk) 05:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
As for the "getting bulkier" statement, it is very common knowledge in crocodilian biology. I tried to find a quick source for it, I could only come up with that scientific blog, which doesn't go into details that much. But what he means by "big crocs and gators" and "after some point" isn't about the size of the species, but the age of the individual. Since it is a blog the writer doesn't use very scientific language, but he has made serious research about the topic and cites different authors, including the age/bulk statement. If you can find the original work, it would be great though. However it is a common knowledge that almost all vertebrates (including humans) increase in bulk/weight/bone mass even after they have reached their max length/height. (in crocodilians growth slows but doesn't stop completely though). I used the bone mass terminology to explain that crocodiles don't only grow in bulk (fat/connective tissue/muscle), which is the only determinant of crocs with stable territories weighing more (access to better/more food), however age/bone mass correlation has nothing to do with that. Simply you can compare skulls of same species/length individuals and see the difference for yourself. It isn't true only for salties though, same for other crocodilians, even the gharial. It is mentioned frequently in scientific literature, so it will be good to find a source talking about skulls/bones of older specimens. In fact this issue has caused some of these specimens caught in the past, like Sweetheart (5.1 meter at 800+kg), to be type specimens for possible subspecies of C. porous (such as pethericki), due to a big head/weight vs short body, but later proved to be the same nominate subspecies, confusion caused by the morphological changes older crocodiles go through. If you can find this source it would be great. Berkserker (talk) 07:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Btw, I saw you also found the latest publication by Dr. Britton, which I was going to implement in my future edits, congrats! Berkserker (talk) 10:16, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Yes it is unfortunate and yet there are forums dedicated to these kinds of discussions, Wikipedia is not the place for subjective opinions. However due to the editing policies of Wikipedia, this will always be a problem. I just hope more and more universities and academics take a leap of faith and create accounts on Wikipedia. At least the consensus will tip in favour of science. There is a problem with the admin system of Wikipedia as well. Even if some claim does not have the appropriate sources, plus the user engages in edit wars and exceeds the 3RR, still the admins may decide it is a case of dispute resolution.. They just don't take the time to read all the talk pages nor do they review the sources.. I just had a similar situation with a "hoaxing vandalism" and edit warring case which I reported. Berkserker (talk) 06:48, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
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