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I placed a redirect to my Talk page on my User page. I now regret this decision. How do I remove the #REDIRECT from my user page? Mill 1 (talk) 09:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi! Simply click on this link [1] - it will allow you to access the edit window for your userpage - simply delete the REDIRECT line and replace it with whatever else you would like on your User page. Mike1901 (talk) 10:39, 15 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please DON'T just change death dates etc without adding a reference. This is a common pattern in "subtle vandalism". I nearly just reverted you (which I would have been perfectly entitled to do) and had to spend several minutes checking that you were in fact correct. The French article is still wrong, btw. You can use trhe same ref. Johnbod (talk) 18:42, 27 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Pope Hilarius died February 28, 468; that is his Feast Day. Please stop adding him to February 29. General Ization ^Talk 20:56, 3 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Since I got no reaction to my message on your Talk page I moved pope Hilarius from DOY page February 28 to February 29 again. I believe I have good reason to believe the date of death 28 February is erroneous. Let me state my arguments:

1. The website of the Vatican itself states Feb. 29 as the end of the pontificate. This source is used as a reference on article Pope Hilarius
2. I checked other wiki's on this topic. The Italian, French and Spanish wiki's all state Feb. 29
3. If I perform this Google books search on Feb. 29 I get relevant results. This is not the case when I run this Google books search on Feb. 28.

You state that Feb. 28 is the feast day of the pope. I can not find corrobating evidence for that. I seems that the major source for it is the wiki page in question.

I understand that in light of conflicting data we should strive for consensus. I also would like my edits to be as factual and neutral as possible. I hope I made my case.

Thank you for your contributions. Please mark your edits, such as your recent edits to February 24, as "minor" only if they are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". Thank you. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 08:25, 16 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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I need help searching for specific phrases in articles. I've worked with regular expression before but apparently I'm too thick to understand the Perl-dialect.
For instance: I want look for persons who died on 24 June during the 10th century (=from 900 AD until 1000 AD). Help:Searching and Help:Advanced search do not provide proper examples how to use wildcards.
If I would know the specific year I could just use this query.
However, I want to look in the range 900 – 999. What do I enter in the search textbox? Or better yet: what would the equivalent of this query look like?
Thank you in advance.

Mill 1 (talk) 19:35, 30 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, if you want help looking for something, you may want to go to the reference desk to ask for help looking for information. For help with the search function (and other questions about how Wikipedia works), go to the help desk to ask this question. Also, if you have any suggestions, or problems with the search function, go to the technical village pump and raise the problem there. Sorry I couldn't be of more help though. If you need any more help, click here, or just leave a message on my talk page. Thanks.  Seagull123  Φ  22:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ok. Thanks! Mill 1 (talk) 22:36, 30 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Per ((infobox film)), we don't credit executive producers in the infobox, but if the producer is notable, he can be added in the article prose. I frequently do this with Roger Corman, for example. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:00, 5 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the tip NinjaRobotPirate! Can't believe that up to a few moments ago Clayton Townsend did not have a bio by the way.. Regards, Mill 1 (talk) 22:04, 5 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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SEMMENDINGER (talk) 14:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dear Mill 1. I would appreciate if you give your opinion on this discussion. I saw you make a couple of points in the earlier discussion on referencing the DOY. Thanks :)--Rochelimit (talk) 16:44, 17 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mill, I realize we don't see eye-to-eye on the direct sourcing requirements for DOY entries, and I've spent a fair amount of time in the past few days going through the births section of a couple of DOY pages, finding problems and cleaning them up. (Take a look at my recent edit history.) What I've found is that more than 75% of the births listed on DOY pages for living people who are not athletes have no reliable sources for the DOB in the biographical article that is supposed to have them. In many of the cases where there are refs in the articles for the DOB, it's an WP:IMDBREF.

Before you comment at Village Pump, could you take a look at any DOY page that I haven't recently cleaned up and start at the bottom of the birth section and look at the linked articles for the first dozen or so non-athletes to see if there are reliable sources there?

You're clearly an exemplary contributor and I think if you see the mess that the "bluelink is good enough for DOY pages" practice has created, I think you might change your opinion. Please consider doing this. It would only take a few minutes. Toddst1 (talk) 00:48, 26 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

***Reaction*** Mill 1 (talk) 21:49, 26 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, I'm Nick Moyes. Mill 1, thanks for creating Heok Hui Tan!

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Hi Mill 1, I read your preference at the top, however I've always preferred to respond on the fellow editor's talk page. In your edit summary, you claim to have "corrected" some details. I have read your source; if you want to remove the part about the dutch consul I have no qualms about that. However the 3000 figure is problematic; have you read a more detailed academic work about this subject than this 1 article? We can never know the exact number of Damascene Christians that were massacred in July 1860, historians have always provided us with estimates; the majority of estimates differ between conservative and liberal estimates. The liberal academic estimate maintains that 20 000 Damascence Christians were massacred, however the conservative academic estimate has maintained that 10 000 Damascene Christians were massacred. For many years the long standing figure on this wiki page has maintained the conservative estimate. Leila Trazi Fawaz on page 226 of her book maintains 12 000 Damascene Christians were massacred. If you're interested in this subject, I highly recommend reading Fawaz's book in its entirety (which relies on a lot of primary sources), it won't take you long, you can finish it in 3 days.

Moreover, I would like mention something else, the article you employed as a source is written by a Turkish historian, Mill 1, in my experience over the years, Turkish academics tend to downplay the atrocities the Ottomans committed. To provide you with examples, about 40% of Turkish historians deny and dispute that 1 000 000 Armenians were massacred during the Armenian Genocide. When the American channel PBS, decided to air a documentary about the Armenian Genocide with credible non-Armenian historians in it, the Turkish government successfully lobbied 2/3 of PBS stations to run a following documentary that presented a number of Turkish historians who openly denied the Armenian Genocide even took place. Worse, some of them made silly generalizations that the Armenians were "enemies" of the state who openly colluded with foreign governments against the Ottoman Empire; this canard has been debunked. Therefore, one has to be very cautious and diligent about what the author of your article is claiming. Where did he get this 3000 estimate? For decades the conservative estimate has been 10 000. George Al-Shami (talk) 07:42, 13 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for your elaborate reply. I have changed the article accordingly. Furthermore I share your dismay and concerns regarding the denial of the Armenian genocide by a large portion of the Turkish public. In my country it is an ongoing source for debate and controversy. Regards Mill 1 (talk) 20:26, 13 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I rather instinctively reverted this edit of yours. Did I miss a deeper meaning? Favonian (talk) 21:49, 20 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Doing some tedious work that a bot should do. Copy paste errors. Thx for cleaning up after me. Getting late in Europe.. Mill 1 (talk) 21:57, 20 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No worries. We are in the same timezone. ;) Favonian (talk) 21:59, 20 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

LOL. Love Nyhavn! Mill 1 (talk) 22:18, 20 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Christian Goetz. Since you had some involvement with the Christian Goetz redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:32, 5 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Rosguill: Put in my two-cents Mill 1 (talk) 18:13, 5 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Imagine my surprise to find that Brownie Mary was killed by a drunk driver. Are you using a bot of some kind to make these edits? The reason I ask, is because nothing in that source says she was killed by a drunk driver, it says her daughter was killed by one. Anyway, have you had anyone go back through your edits to check for errors? Viriditas (talk) 19:22, 14 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thx for spotting the error. I do not use a bot, I compile the entries manually. I do however use a tool to identify and generate entries. It speeds up the tedious tasks greatly. It also tries to determine cause of death based on certain keywords found in the bio. If found I normally doublecheck it but this one apparently slipped my attention. Sloppy.

Screenshot of the tool, displaying the info on Brownie Mary

I'd welcome someone checking my work. I have encountered little interest during my efforts to bring the deaths lists to a higher level of quality.

You can find a bit more info on it on the Talk page of Deaths in 1998. Mill 1 (talk) 20:07, 14 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for your quick reply. It would be helpful if we could broaden our thinking on error-checking in general, and widen it to include a general purpose tool that could check against Wikidata or some other established baseline for death list data as well as other datapoints. I’ve always envisioned a bot running 24/7/365 through the database checking for errors and reporting back to active watchlisters who opt-in for that kind of thing. Viriditas (talk) 20:19, 14 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The section for ((BD ToC|deaths)) is the default 3, if the births section has subheadings, and is 2 if the births sections does not have subheadings. "Standardization" does not include making incorrect links, or removing correct links, such as Deaths in January 2005. I have no object to removing months=12; it is unnecessary unless the deaths section has an "unknown" subsection. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:26, 7 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I did a careful comparison of the (tops of the) Deaths sections regarding the years 1996 until 2019. I found that they are largely the same but that there are differences. The edits I made resulted in more consistency. If you feel this strongly about the sections I invite you to do the same comparison analysis. Please have a look at years 2000-2003 and 2007-2018 regarding ((BD ToC|deaths|section=2)). Also compare the deaths sections of years 2004-2006 and determine for yourself that they differ from all other years. Please apply the consistency yourself instead of reverting my work. Regards, Mill 1 (talk) 20:04, 7 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Which years have Deaths in month year? If, as a preliminary analysis indicates, it's all of 1999 through 2019, it seems to me better to include all monthly links, rather than just the annual link. The death links for completed years (with no "unknown" sections in deaths) should be ((BD ToC|deaths|section=2)) if there are no "births" subsections, and ((BD ToC|deaths)) if there are the full 12 births subsections. My take is there should be births subsections ONLY if there at least 60 births, but, at this point, I only object to adding subsections. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 05:37, 8 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've adjusted 1990 through 2007; the inconsistencies are related to which "main" articles have been created. Perhaps you can fix the rest of the ((Main)) links, if you are so inclined. If not, I'll get to it some other time. The ((BD ToC)) sections are correct — Arthur Rubin (talk) 07:11, 8 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the info. I now see what mean, although I am still a bit puzzled about the link between ((BD ToC|deaths|section=2)) and the "Births"-section not having any subsections. As to your question which years have Deaths in month year-articles: you asked the right person. For some time now I've been (almost exclusively) concerning myself with improving the quality of these types of articles; I noticed that some Deaths in year-articles were getting very long and started to split them up. I've been working my way back from 2005 and I am now halfway 1998. You can find a bit more info here.

I think it is a good idea to add ((Main)) links and I will add them to the year pages 2008-2019 when I have the time. One remark though: I think it is cleaner to add the ((Main)) link in between the month-subsection and the images (see f.i. 2004#Deaths and 2005#Deaths). On a mobile app this looks better than having the link underneath the images (see 2006#Deaths). Do you agree? Mill 1 (talk) 19:21, 8 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Arthur Rubin: Being bold I created a little application that moved the ((Main)) links of the Deaths section to directly beneath the month-subsection (years 1999-2007). I will add the missing main links to the year pages of the years 2008-2018 the next couple of days using this same application.

Done. Mill 1 (talk) 07:53, 10 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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As far as I can tell, you are not blocked. If you are blocked post the entire block message here. PhilKnight (talk) 05:23, 28 October 2021 (UTC))).Reply[reply]

@PhilKnight: No I am not blocked. There is a person who does not like my enforcement of some guidelines. To him/her: @HelloKittyGold: I do understand your frustration that your edits are reverted. I've had a project of mine nuked which had cost me hundreds of hours. But in the end we're trying to create and maintain a credible encyclopedia and to do that we sometimes need to apply some changes for the greater good. Again: you are free to start a discussion about adding images to these types of list pages although technical reasons (load time) exist why they shouldn't.Mill 1 (talk) 07:22, 28 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the alert. I wonder why the obsession with 1995? Deb (talk) 07:49, 28 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is a reaction to this initiative in which I updated the 1995 articles in order to match format and style of other deaths pages. Even wrote some software for it. Need to process four more months (September-December 1995). After that I'll run them through another tool of mine that automatically adds/updates references to obituaries in the New York Times. Still a lot to do! Thanks Deb Mill 1 (talk) 08:01, 28 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Harmen Siezen should not be an WP:O. Mill 1 (talk) 10:43, 26 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. Regarding this edit you made in April, song titles are put inside quotation marks on the English Wikipedia, not italics. Only album and EP titles are italicised on en.wiki. See MOS:POPMUSIC. Thanks. Ss112 14:00, 10 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ah, thanks for clearing that up and fixing it. Mill 1 (talk) 14:07, 10 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Can you revert this please? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MobileDiff/1105116556&type=revision Shktriib1 (talk) 16:22, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Shktriib1 Done Mill 1 (talk) 18:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No you did it wrong. You are supposed to move Earl David Inge up and place him between Richard Palumbo and William Pierce, Jr.--Shktriib1 (talk) 19:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Shktriib1 Not my edit. Mill 1 (talk) Mill 1 (talk) 19:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can you do it manually please? --Shktriib1 (talk) 20:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Shktriib1 Again, I was not responsible for the edit you are referring to. I just closed my laptop. Ask 73.235.180.215 who made the edit. Regards Mill 1 (talk) 20:44, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I talked to him and he said he wants this idiot to stop reverting the edit every time he does it because this idiot named sundayclose thinks he knows everything yet does not even check its validity before reverting.--Shktriib1 (talk) 21:02, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Shktriib1 Yes, browsing through your Talk page I already noticed that sundayclose is not your biggest fan ;) Mill 1 (talk) 21:09, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So will you do it please? --73.235.180.215 (talk) 21:15, 19 August 2022 (UTC) I asked him to ask you. --Shktriib1 (talk) 21:42, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This IP is a sock of prolific sockmaster Cadeken, who has created dozens of accounts and used even more IPs. See WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Cadeken/Archive. IPs in near Tulare, California always pop up when a registered sock is blocked. They always deny it, but if there ever was a case that satisfies the WP:DUCK test, this is it. Sundayclose (talk) 22:39, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Sundayclose I already established that fact and chose not to respond. First time someone tried to mobilise me as a meatpuppet. Regards, Mill 1 (talk) 09:27, 20 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Beste Mill1,

Misschien kan jij mij helpen met een 'probleem' die veroorzaakt wordt door Deb. Zij is een administrator en voert op dit moment onnodige wijzigingen door op de Engelse Wikipedia jaarpagina's. Onder het mom van alle informatie moet voorzien zijn van citaties (ofwel bronvermelding). Ik heb haar medegedeeld dat dit vaak niet mogelijk is en wanneer dit niet vermeld wordt dan creer je 'blanco pagina's'. Zij is nu alle informatie aan het verwijderen die geen citaties hebben. Ik ben vanaf 2008 editor en heb haar medegedeeld dat zij dan alle jaarpagina's maar moet nachecken en informatie zonder citaties maar moet verwijderen. Kan jij mij advies geven of mogelijk helpen om deze onnodige acties een halt toe te roepen! Peters01 (talk) 23:21, 24 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Peters01,

Deb is correct. The exemption of the rule regarding project WP:DAYS has been lifted since 2018. Regards Mill 1 (talk) 10:20, 25 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Een vrolijk kerstfeest voor jullie beiden! Deb (talk) 12:09, 25 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Deb Wishing you a merry X-mas as well. All the best for 2023! Mill 1 (talk) 07:44, 26 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Beste Mill1,

Kan jij mij misschien vertellen waarom de topic van de jaarpagina's zijn veranderd. Hoe kan ik deze weer op de "oude" versie zetten? Vriendelijke groeten, Peters01 (talk) 21:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bedoel je de nieuwe skin? hier staat hoe je die weer kunt uitzetten. Mill 1 (talk) 09:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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