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Music

Been thinking recently about how much Wikipedia does act as a social network, and how valuable that can be. Articles aren't social media, of course, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and a community, and healthy volunteer communities need to foster forms of communication that aren't strictly "talking shop". In that spirit, how about some music talk. Might just be me sharing, but who knows.

What I'm listening to

Occasionally sharing songs/albums that I find myself listening to repeatedly. Starting this at the end of 2022, so here's what I've been listening to this year. And yeah, it's all over the place.

What I should be listening to (and what you're listening to)

Open to anyone.

Your Thoughts...

We have discussed the possibility of expanding THIS... I am seriously considering the creation of a full genre article comparable to stuff like Swedish death metal or West Coast hip hop etc. It would essentially be the narrative of the Don't Think I've Forgotten film in expanded form with robust links and independent sources. I am confident that text and sources for such an article will come together rather easily from our existing artist articles plus Cambodian Rocks and related items on Cambodian history and the war. The problem is I cannot think of a GOOD TITLE!
Cambodian rock might be pretty good but the era of interest will be 1959-1975 and current Cambodian music will be excluded. Cambodian psychedelic rock might also be good because it's a label that is often used by modern fans like Dengue Fever (band) but it implies that psychedelic was the only genre practiced in that scene. Something like 1960-70s rock in Cambodia might be too long and unwieldy for WP:NAMINGCRITERIA. Any thoughts? ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:59, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've found myself thinking about this a few times now. The best I've come up with so far is "Music of/in/during pre-Khmer Rouge Cambodia", with honorable mentions for "Music of Sihanouk Era Cambodia and the Khmer Republic", "Music of Cambodia, 1960-1975", "Mid-20th century music in Cambodia" and the like. It seems hard to draw a clear line -- musically or politically. I haven't read anything that does much to contrast music under Sihanouk vs. the Khmer Republic. That is, I've read plenty about how Sihanouk fostered music/culture, but not much about what changed between 1970-75. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:21, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging Wikirictor, who wrote most of History of Cambodia, and WilliamThweatt, who has provided some useful insight about related topics in the past. @Wikirictor, since I don't know if you know the context here, we've been working on 1960s-70s Cambodian pop/rock music articles like Sinn Sisamouth, Yol Aularong, Pen Ran, Baksey Cham Krong, Meas Samon, Ros Serey Sothea, etc. (and my gateway to the music, Cambodian Rocks). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:29, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In the near future I'm ready to write a first draft of such an article on the scene/genre, but I'll take any ideas on what to call the dang thing. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 20:19, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the ping. As I've noted before, I don't have much time to dedicate to WP these days, so I won't say much. However, I will say that both by its title and in its content, such an article should make it clear that this was (to use Doomsdayer's terms) one specific scene in Cambodian popular music of the era. The "rock" music has been brought to the attention of the Western world in recent times and that may make it seem like it was something more than it really was. But rock music wasn't the only kind of pop music in Cambodia during that era, nor was it likely even the most popular. Among Khmer, Sisamouth and SereiSothea for example, are more well-known for slow ballads like this and this or their myriad rom vong and rom kbach songs. These types of songs were (and are) way more popular among all Cambodian demographic groups than any of the psychedelic or "garage band" type music, which although popular among college and international students at the time for its "western" sound, was/is viewed as not much more than a novelty by most Cambodians. On top of that, in addition to pop music, there were other genres including court music, traditional and folk music that also prospered during this era. And...I've rambled on more than I intended. Suffice to say that the title and the article should put the CambodiaRocks-type music in the proper Cambodian context (i.e. not at all representative of all Cambodian popular music of the time) in addition to noting its new-found, and rather incongruous, popularity among westerners.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 07:19, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the helpful reminder, William. Documentaries like Don't Think I've Forgotten and the selection of music that's been imported to the US have definitely shaped my understanding such that I may be of the impression that it was more popular than it was, but I've listened to enough e.g. Sinn Sisamouth and Ros Serey Sothea that I know it's not all western-influenced rock/pop/garage/psych. I don't know specifically what Doomsdayer's article plan is, but I would assume incorporate material about all sorts of pop music if doing an article on that era. Perhaps that just gets too much overlap with the existing article, and perhaps we would run into trouble with two people who don't read Khmer searching for sources on the elements of Khmer music that haven't become popular in the west (I say popular, but it's even more of a niche here :) ). So maybe the most succinct title/scope (which doesn't read as very succinct, but oh well) might be "Rock music of pre-Khmer Rouge Cambodia". — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:47, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
William's thoughts indicate why Music of Cambodia should remain the primary article in this area. Unfortunately that article has been in need of expansion for years, and international WP users do not have the expertise, and anyone who does have the expertise is probably not able to use international WP. In the history of the Sinn Sisamouth talk page you can see people popping up occasionally who really are Cambodian (as in an old dispute over how to spell his name), but otherwise we have a bunch of articles written by Americans with material that Americans know about. .......................... It's surely not perfect but the scene/genre has gained international notice that may very well transcend Cambodia itself. Or in other words, Klezmer is enjoyed and talked about worldwide by people who know little about its European Jewish originators and may not have to. "1960s-70s Cambodian Rock" (or whatever title) could survive WP's notability requirements thanks to its international recognition. Any article here must avoid implying that it represents ALL Cambodian popular music, which hopefully can be done with sensitive writing. I envision a tight genre-specific article; consider the article for Jazz fusion which does not imply that it's the only kind of jazz. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 15:08, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

New exercise regimen while staying indoors during the pandemic

I'll just leave this here... — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:37, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Outstanding!!! Video now shared with dog owners I know. --cart-Talk 15:52, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ADL, COI, and The Forward

I posted a link to this section at WP:COIN#Article in the Forward to avoid belaboring something that's more or less resolved there, for better or worse.

Here's the TL;DR version of what I said in response to an inquiry about the ADL case:
So much of the difficulty of editing Wikipedia as an organization or otherwise with a COI is how few bright lines rules there are, and how many shades of skepticism there are among the community such that a range of outcomes are possible for any given situation. That's true of a lot of Wikipedia, but seems particularly pronounced with COI issues. The reception ADL received in the noticeboard thread was IMO harsher than necessary, given they expressed interest in learning the rules, responded to criticism, and seemed to agree to just about everything we asked of them, stopping short of a self-imposed ban on ever adding ADL sources to articles. But while I think that should've led to a second chance, the result of the thread (to the extent there is a result, except to say that I was in the minority and ADL has stopped its editing project) is also unsurprising because -- and it's hard to overstate this -- first impressions are extremely important. If they hadn't edited the ADL article, hadn't only been adding ADL sources, and hadn't created weight problems (in other words, if they started with the guidelines that they've now agreed to), I doubt we would be here. But organizations and people with a COI do not get the same leeway to make mistakes that ordinary volunteers do, and there's a good reason for that. Any organization interested to edit Wikipedia really needs to do a lot of homework about Wikipedia policies and conventions beforehand, err on the side of transparency, and ask questions if they're not sure about something.

In general, I thought the article was a more or less fair summary of something that was likely frustrating for all involved. Hopefully others do, as well. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:58, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To add something I've said in several places at this point (as have others, probably more eloquently than me): if we're going to have vague COI rules in order to allow more room for case-by-case judgment, taking a hardline approach which operates as though the rules are not vague and which leaves no room for making mistakes ultimately discourages transparency and makes volunteers' jobs harder in the long run. Editing with a conflict of interest is never ideal, but it's going to happen, and doesn't always harm the project, so we might as well try to be more consistent with how we deal with it. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to verify onion links at List of Tor onion services

I have been trying to enter and verify all onion links on the list(see:[1]). Given your interest, I invite you to also verify these and add them with reference to wikidata. I have finished from Communications to News and Archive. You can start from Software and work your way up. Thanks! Greatder (talk) 12:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lightbreather

The Arbitration Committee is considering an unban appeal from Lightbreather (talk · contribs). You are being notified as you participated in the last unban discussion. You may give feedback here. For the Arbitration Committee, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:36, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Barkeep49. Do you have a handy link to the past discussion? I'm finding it surprisingly hard to find (it's surprisingly hard to find anything in the various arbitration-related pages). Seems like it should, at minimum, be documented on the case page, right? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:07, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. Nevermind. Pppery linked it. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:21, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Eastern chipmunk
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Way to go! Love those cheeks. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Firefangledfeathers: Thanks. Someone actually cropped it and added it to cheek pouch, too. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:36, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
...yeah, yeah, I know... Always messing with your nice photos. Sorry about that... NOT! :-D Congrats! cart-Talk 18:39, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Signpost Obituary

Took the liberty of fixing up the formatting a bit. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.1% of all FPs 01:25, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, this fell off my radar for a bit. Let me know if there's something I can still help with. Didn't get a response to my follow-up on Commons but can reach out to some dewp folks if it would be helpful. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 12:40, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Adam Cuerden: pinging -- could've sworn the reply link automatically did that. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 12:41, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I know there's a discussion on commons:Commons talk:FPC. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.1% of all FPs 14:37, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

mass creation of articles

Regarding your comment: I believe the support statement agrees with you in that passing the guidelines they mentioned demonstrates that the standards for having an article are met. isaacl (talk) 23:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It'll just be gamed

Would you like to write an essay about the logical fallacy of "It'll just be gamed"? This objection has been trotted out in a variety of situations, usually to claim that we can't provide clear guidance, because it'll just be gamed. (If it's short enough, it might be possible to insert a line about this into Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:11, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@WhatamIdoing: Ha. I was thinking something very much along those lines. I'll ping you if I do. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting research on broadband

Saw this data journalism article today and thought you might be interested. It looks at internet speed disparities between areas of historical redlining. There are some really interesting results. In Kansas City, Missouri--the worst performing city--68% of residents in neighborhoods historically allocated to marginalized home buyers received internet download speeds <25Mb/s. That's apparently so slow that the FCC doesn't even consider it broadband internet. For residents in neighborhoods historically allocated to non-marginalized home buyers, only 12% received speeds that slow despite paying the same price. It's a very thorough piece of data journalism, and raises interesting questions about equity of access to wikis.

In recent years, I remember reading discussions about article size appealing to the rise of high-speed internet and ubiquity of broadband as a reason to weaken or ignore Wikipedia:Article size. This always would effect readers with limited broadband (such as rural readers) but this investigation suggests that the disparities may also lead to racial and economic disparities beyond the geographic ones. For example, a 75kB article (probably worth splitting per our guidelines), a reader in a historically redlined neighborhood who has inequitable internet access would need to wait 22 seconds for the whole article to load! Add on any gadgets, user scripts, and custom CSS that an editor might have on top of the usual reader, and this turns out to be a serious barrier.

It might be interesting to investigate these implications further. How has article size changed over time? Where is the readership coming from? How might the inequity of broadband along historical redlining patterns affect access to content and editing abilities? — Wug·a·po·des​ 19:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Wugapodes. I haven't had time to properly go through this yet, but initial impressions: can't say I'm surprised that there are a range of disadvantages correlated with redlined areas. I imagine lack of infrastructure (area-wide as well as individual houses/structures), differences in assumptions about what people can afford that ISPs build in to marketing of higher speed plans [or lack thereof], straightforward speed tiering, etc. On the wiki side, I feel like there must be some other factor in wiki page downloads. As a test, I used a relatively large page, birding in New York City (86kb). I ran a speed test on my phone (my home network is faster), and found about 36Mbps download. Based on that, the page should take upwards of 20 seconds to download, but it's completely readable in about 3 seconds (which, according to my speed test results, is even faster than my home network should process it). I guess it probably loads text first, then menus, then images, then javascript, or something like that? Maybe someone with more technical knowledge (perhaps Legoktm or Enterprisey?) understands it. My watchlist, on the other hand, requires a pretty good wait -- and even then it behaves oddly sometimes -- but there I know I have lots of scripts/gadgets working hard. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:53, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I'm quite sure I've seen some charts about article size over time, but the best thing I see at the moment is the chart at Wikipedia:Size of Wikipedia that shows average words per article increasing from 267 in January 2001 to 642 in October 2022. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:55, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Birding in New York City

On 23 October 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Birding in New York City, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that birders in New York City have recorded over 400 species? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Birding in New York City. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Birding in New York City), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fifteenth anniversary on Wikipedia!

Invitation to join the Fifteen Year Society

Dear Rhododendrites,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Fifteen Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for fifteen years or more. ​

Best regards, Chris Troutman (talk) 19:30, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds so distinguished. A date commemorating this excellent contribution. :) Userbox updated. Thanks. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:30, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RfC at Stacey Abrams

Hi. Just a note to let you know that, as far as I can tell, you appear to have arrived at an RfC after it was agreed to cancel it. The cancellation was due to its having been launched by an editor who launched it just before his TBAN from American Politics was made official. Because the thread was closed, your comment has been hatted along with several others. The options in the RfC were written by the banned editor and do not reflect any agreement as to what any RfC might propose. I hope you will continue to participate at the talk page and/or BLPN if you wish. I am going to archive the aborted RfC so that the same thing doesn't happen again. Thanks for your understanding. SPECIFICO talk 15:36, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All fine with me. Thanks for the heads up. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:40, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Helping people

Just out of interest – are you actually aware of anyone in Russia being in any real way helped by WMF? My recollection (which may be incomplete) was that the chap in Belarus for example basically coped alone with the situation. To be fair, there wasn't much the WMF could have done, either. Which is why I think the argument that "we are collecting money so we can help improve the human rights situation of our editors in Russia" is flawed. But I am always interested in hearing more about this if there is stuff I'm missing. Regards, --Andreas JN466 13:55, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jayen466: That's not really something I'd be aware of. I was just trying to clarify what I think Victoria's point was, which is that looking at line items for $ allocated to certain countries doesn't actually tell you what [whatever the foundation spends money on] does for readers/editors in that country. i.e. the staff, departments, programs, initiatives, services, etc. that are concentrated in places like the US, UK, and Germany, benefit people outside of those countries. As for how much benefit, I think that would be hard to quantify. YMMV. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:00, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Continuation of your side point from SchroCat discussion

Hi Rhododendrites! I wanted to address your comment on infoboxes ("Can't we just say all articles get infoboxes") from AN here to avoid further cluttering an already muddled and complicated discussion.

In a perfect world, yes. My personal opinion is that the infobox should be the default for articles which cover people, places, or any other appropriate field, unless a clear consensus is against it; if a discussion results in No Consensus or Consensus in Favor of an Infobox, by default, the article should have one. However, at least from my point of view (bias alert), there is a small but powerful group of veteran editors which seem to "filibuster" (for lack of a better term) their adoption, particularly in media personalities' articles, insisting that readers must read prose instead of infobox. I'm assuming that you've seen some of the discussions that I've been participating in with regard to IB's.

Since I'm working on other articles to a greater degree, I don't plan on bringing this up at the Village Pump myself, though if you are interested in doing so, I'd be happy to offer my opinion on there. Thanks for reading! InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 23:06, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@InvadingInvader: Don't know how long you've been watching these discussions, but it's a debate that's many, many years old. That you're characterizing those who disagree with you as "filibustering" is, I dare say, a big part of why there's conflict. It's all personal preference. You like them, people like SchroCat don't. That's all there is to it. You say it helps readers, he says it doesn't, but there's no evidence either way. If there were compelling evidence, that should influence our policy on infoboxes rather than need to be hashed out every time. Some people say the type of subject matters, other people just like/dislike infoboxes in general. It basically comes down to a vote, which get complicated when people feel strongly enough to go around to multiple articles just to add/remove an infobox. It turns it into a pure numbers game.
The people who oppose infoboxes most are usually the people who care about the quality of the writing the most, and hence the people who care about things like FAs. They feel that the prose in the lead, which they've spent a huge amount of time crafting, summarizes a subject better than an infobox, and that if someone just looks at the infobox they don't actually get a good overview of the subject. So they object. That's not filibustering but a different perspective that's no less valid than "I think they help readers". Putting in tens and hundreds of hours working on an article, getting feedback, revising, building out gradually over time ... it doesn't give them absolute authority, but it does mean they're more familiar with the subject and the many ways to present information about the subject than probably anyone else. To the extent that the subject itself matters, that should count or something. And personally, when we have no policies and guidelines to go by for infoboxes, I find their experience with the subject a better reason to judge whether or not there should be an infobox than opinions of people for/against who just like/dislike infoboxes or think they're generally helpful. I don't care about infoboxes myself. I just find the whole debate over them, and the extent to which people are triggered by them (or their absence), and the number of people willing to show up at absolutely any infobox thread to give the same opinion they always give...exhausting, and would rather just end it. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:21, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree with this take. I recognize I have a bias, but if we could just end the war, that would be nice. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 23:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That thread...

...is really long, and "the logged out user who is not SchroCat"--I missed that. Which edits? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:05, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies: This one, with a first edit removing an infobox. Perhaps also these and who knows which others in related ranges. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:38, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. GeneralNotability, surely you saw what I saw, right? In my contributions you can see the related warning I left; if Rhododendrites is correct in saying that this user is actively and purposely disruptive (please see my edits at ANI in another thread), then maybe a block is in order. Drmies (talk) 01:01, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Drmies, if I'm correctly understanding what you're asking - yes, I see what you see (seasonally appropriate, Do You Hear What I Hear? - today I learned that that song isn't named "Do You See What I See"), and that behavior appears to have been going on for quite a while. GeneralNotability (talk) 01:29, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Hi Rhododendrites, Thanks very much for your comments at AN. They were very much appreciated! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 22:34, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!


Have a great Christmas, and may 2023 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls, vandals or visits from Krampus!

Cheers

SchroCat (talk) 11:22, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy holidays

Happy New Year!

Happy holidays to yourself as well! I'm using the same picture because honestly, I don't think I could find something to top this! It's been a crazy year, to say the least, and I hope that everything is going well with you! I admit that I also don't use Facebook all that much anymore, mostly just for messenger or to check on a business's hours or something like that. Happy holidays! ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 19:27, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Thanks so much for your greetings. Years ago I was involved in a controversy as to what Wikipedia was, specifically whether it was social media or not. The outcome was to remove the comparison altogether. It is a communications forum, albeit in a targeted manner. All the best to you! - kosboot (talk) 02:15, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kosboot: (and sort of responding to Pdebee from his talk page, too) - Yeah, it's a tough comparison to make. Certainly articles shouldn't be confused with social media, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and a community, and healthy communities need to foster forms of communication that aren't strictly "talking shop". So non-article namespaces can at times resemble social media, which seems like a good thing to me as long as people aren't here just for the social network (but even that doesn't really do any harm). I mean I have silly things like userboxes about The Prisoner, chess, and Katamari Damacy on my userpage, have had talk page exchanges that were nothing but music recommendations, etc. (BTW along those lines, I'll mention that RoySmith drew my attention to Too Many Zooz the other day, and they're pretty great.) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:34, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December music

December songs
happy new year

We sang Charpentier's delightful Messe de minuit pour Noël today, which was on DYK yesterday, - a first for me, pictured, - thank you for good wishes, and enjoy the season! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:58, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy Holidays

Happy Holidays
Hello, I wish you the very best during the holidays. And I hope you have a very happy 2023! Bruxton (talk) 19:57, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons Greetings

Whatever you celebrate at this time of year, whether it's Christmas or some other festival, I hope you and those close to you have a happy, restful time! Have fun, Donner60 (talk) 00:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC))) [reply]

Donner60 (talk) 23:31, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A warm cup of tea for you! Cheers!

Happy New Year & Holidays Rhododendrites! Please enjoy this warm cup of tea! Thank you for the insightful Wiki-thoughts and edits you've shared over this year (and years past)! To more conversation and editing in 2023! - Wil540 art (talk) 17:03, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bird question

Hello, sorry to bother you but I'm not sure where else to ask. And I know European birds are not American birds but...any idea what bird is in this photo? thumb|Max Wenner from online catalog of the state archive of Kanton St. Gallen Or even any ideas if it's a hawk vs falcon vs something else? TIA. jengod (talk) 03:11, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jengod: hey. Generally happy to help with a bird id. This is very likely the genus Accipiter (one of two genera of hawk), but I'm not sure which species. The tricky thing is location doesn't help much. Falconers get their birds from all over and there are a number of hawks that look pretty similar. Someone more knowledgeable than me might be able to tell, though. Could post it to e.g. /r/whatsthisbird. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 04:30, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'll do that! I'd say hawk on first glance but I'll ask the good people of Reddit. THANK YOU. jengod (talk) 04:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Northern goshawk and springer spaniel, just FYI :P thx again jengod (talk) 05:29, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jengod: Ah! I should've been able to get that! :) Well, Accipiter nonetheless. Glad they were able to help. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:16, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year, Rhododendrites!

Happy New Year!

Rhododendrites,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Happy New Year!

Rhododendrites,
Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 22:58, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi! I just wanted you advice regarding 3O

I saw your comment regarding my comments and my lack of edits. I just noticed that it was close. Did you close it? I believe that the comment that files it for archive was not removed nor was there a reason provided. Would it be ok to place it for archive and to place as a reason "Recommended forward to 3O".
May I ask if there is an official/or unofficial consensus on edits of the DRN? Or other pages. I really would like to help more but I don't really have a starting point and the DRN seemed like an ok option however you might know a better place since you have more experience. Chefs-kiss (talk) 11:11, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Chefs-kiss: The comment about your edit count was perhaps a bit dismissive -- sorry about that. I doubt there's any specific number -- whatever number gives someone a strong grasp of Wikipedia's dispute resolution processes and policies and guidelines. Dispute resolution is hard, and requires being able to understand the often very complicated problems that arise, as well as to know when DRN is an appropriate option. In the Breitbart case, it just needed a third opinion.
I did not close it, and it still appears as "in progress" to me. I see what disputes are going on at DRN when I browse the dashboard, but don't really participate there otherwise. It sits in kind of a weird spot in the array of dispute resolution mechanisms in that it's not binding, doesn't typically attract a lot of uninvolved opinions, and takes some time/bureaucracy. I'd recommend talking to Robert McClenon if you want advice/insight specific to DRN (including proper technical procedures), since I think he's largely responsible for keeping it afloat for some time now, and may appreciate help.
A good step if you're interested in helping to resolve disputes on Wikipedia may be to browse the open requests for comments. Get a sense for the different positions, relevant policies, and weigh in. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:20, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
User:Rhododendrites, User:Chefs-kiss - I am a little puzzled. I was pinged, but I don't know what the background was, and I don't see where there was a mention of edit counts. What is the context or issue? Robert McClenon (talk) 05:11, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Robert McClenon: The specifics aren't as important as that Chefs-kiss is looking to get more involved at DRN, and I suggested you'd know better than I what sorts of requirements/expectations there are there. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 05:30, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for an old comment

Rhododendrites, I wanted to thank you for something you said a while back. This comment [2] has been really helpful. It's like a coin kept in the pocket to remind you of something. More often than I might want to admit I find myself wanting to say something very snarky to others. Not something that is obviously a violation but certainly not something that helps overall civility. That is when the above message comes in handy. A little reminder that in the long term we are all better if we don't focus on the personal is really helpful. Thanks again for leaving it. Springee (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Springee: Thumbs up icon I do think it helps when people keep cool, even if it's frustrating to do so. Personally, I'm more likely to stop helping with an article/discussion if the people I agree with are ramping up the hostility/toxicity, even where I might stick around if it were someone I disagreed with. If only more people appreciated the extent to which their own behavior reflects on others beyond the ones they're trying to prove wrong... meh. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:59, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Response to your question on ANI

I'm writing here to respond to this question, I would point back to my initial !vote and to Tamzin's second comment, particularly where xe stated that NI's stated understanding of WP:RS is a huge problem for editing if taken as genuine (and, as I will add, this is particularly a problem where dealing with living people or other contentious topics). A bludgeoning restriction would help in terms of allowing discussions to proceed more smoothly, but I don't think it's sufficient to prevent the sorts of GENSEX-related flagrant BLP issues from occurring again. I'm writing here, rather than on AN/I, because I'm hoping to disengage from the thread, and because I don't think I have anything new to add to the conversation at this point.

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@Red-tailed hawk: Yeah, I saw a couple RS-related issues that were concerning, but I don't think I've seen enough for a broad topic ban yet. I'm generally a fan of narrower interventions first where possible. The bludgeoning evidence (combined with my own experience) does point to a "bludgeoning restriction" possibly having some value, but it would be tough to word. Regardless, that ANI thread and the threads it links to are already pretty long, and I feel like I might be missing some evidence, so I'm probably just going to tap out of that one. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 04:03, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Editing news 2023 #1

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Talk pages project

Screenshot showing the talk page design changes that are currently available as beta features at all Wikimedia wikis. These features include information about the number of people and comments within each discussion.
Some of the upcoming changes

The Editing team is nearly finished with this first phase of the Talk pages project. Nearly all new features are available now in the Beta Feature for Discussion tools.

It will show information about how active a discussion is, such as the date of the most recent comment. There will soon be a new "Add topic" button. You will be able to turn them off at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion. Please tell them what you think.

Daily edit completion rate by test group: DiscussionTools (test group) and MobileFrontend overlay (control group)

An A/B test for Discussion tools on the mobile site has finished. Editors were more successful with Discussion tools. The Editing team is enabling these features for all editors on the mobile site.

New Project: Edit Check

The Editing team is beginning a project to help new editors of Wikipedia. It will help people identify some problems before they click "Publish changes". The first tool will encourage people to add references when they add new content. Please watch that page for more information. You can join a conference call on 3 March 2023 to learn more.

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Mar 8: WikiWednesday Salon by Grand Central

Mar 8: WikiWednesday Salon by Grand Central
The gathering is in the vicinity of Grand Central Terminal.

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Essays, guidelines, etc

I think you've made some good points there, and can't help but wonder if it is not well past time we had a systemic review of the whole tree of designations like this. One thought that came to me is to deprecate the "guideline" designation entirely, and instead make all instructional pages "information pages" which to me seem to be essentially the same thing, but without the baggage of having to get them formally approved as such. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:49, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Beeblebrox: You mean deprecate the guideline designation as it applies to instructional pages, or everywhere? Would notability become an information page or would it be promoted to a policy? I haven't done a full review, and don't know of one. Part of the confusion is the dual meaning of "levels of consensus/support" and "principles vs. practices" (or something like that) as well as the differently functioning content vs. behavioral vs. administrative/procedural pages. I started to type out about five different version of "if I were to start from scratch I'd...", scrapping each one. Will have to give it more thought. Maybe an audit would be helpful for a big picture. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, any such review would need to be very carefully planned out, what I mentioned here was just the first idea to pop into my mind. With the ArbCom workload being what it is I'm not currently in the "big policy RFC" business for at leat another year. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:29, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can't blame you. The gig economy of the Big Policy RfC Business pays much less than the lucrative long-term contracts in the Arbitrating Business. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup 2023 March newsletter

So ends the first round of the 2023 WikiCup. Everyone with a positive score moved on to Round 2, with 54 contestants qualifying. The top scorers in Round 1 were:

The top sixteen contestants at the end of Round 1 had all scored over 300 points; these included Berkelland LunaEatsTuna, Thebiguglyalien, Sammi Brie, New England Trainsandotherthings, England Lee Vilenski, Indonesia Juxlos, Unexpectedlydian, Washington (state) SounderBruce, Wales Kosack, BennyOnTheLoose and Chicago PCN02WPS. It was a high-scoring start to the competition.

These contestants, like all the others, now have to start again from scratch. The first round finished on February 26. Remember that any content promoted after that date but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Some contestants made claims before the new submissions pages were set up, and they will need to resubmit them. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

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  • Belgium report: Public Domain Day Belgium 2023
  • Brazil report: GLAM-Wiki initiatives in Brazil spark academic investigation
  • Croatia report: Activities during first two months of 2023
  • Indonesia report: Launching of Wikisource Loves Manuscripts; Bincang GLAM continues
  • Italy report: New project and collaboration in February
  • Kosovo report: I Edit Wikipedia Online Campaign 2023
  • New Zealand report: Wikidata and the Biodiversity Heritage Library, Wellington WikiCon 2023 and Auckland Museum local suburb project funding
  • Poland report: The European GLAM Coordinators online meet-up; GLAM-Wiki workshop at the Wawel Royal Castle State Art Collection; Wikimedians-in-residence online meet up
  • Sweden report: 100 000 Bildminnen; Report from The Association of Swedish Museums; Wikipedia for all of Sweden; ArkDes edit-a-thons
  • UK report: In Memoriam Jo Pugh / Cultural Diversity
  • USA report: Black History Month and More
  • Wiki Loves Living Heritage report: Wiki Loves Living Heritage launches 17 March 1pm UTC
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Your GA nomination of Involuntary hospitalization of Joyce Patricia Brown

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Involuntary hospitalization of Joyce Patricia Brown you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Freedom4U -- Freedom4U (talk) 00:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Freedom4U: Thanks for the review! It'll take me a few days to get into this, but I'll ping when there's progress. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Books & Bytes – Issue 55

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mass creation of articles

Regarding this comment: just a note that Paradise Chronicle participated in the RfC, so I think it's reasonable to believe their proposal has been influenced by the RfC discussion. isaacl (talk) 17:02, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hm. That's odd that it wasn't mentioned then. Maybe they wished to leave it behind as baggage. Wouldn't blame them, but a huge, directly relevant, very recent discussion seems good to link anyway. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Involuntary hospitalization of Joyce Patricia Brown

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Thanks for BRAAAM

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Featured picture scheduled for POTD

Hi Rhododendrites,

This is to let you know that File:Rooftop farm at the Essex (65787p).jpg, a featured picture you uploaded, has been selected as the English Wikipedia's picture of the day (POTD) for April 20, 2023. A preview of the POTD is displayed below and can be edited at Template:POTD/2023-04-20. If you have any concerns, please place a message at Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day. Thank you! --Ahecht (TALK
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Rows of planters at a roof garden at Essex Crossing, New York City

Urban agriculture, urban farming, or urban gardening is the practice of cultivating, processing, and distributing food in or around urban areas. Urban agriculture can reflect varying levels of economic and social development. It may be a social movement for sustainable communities, where organic growers, "foodies", and "locavores" form social networks founded on a shared ethos of nature and community holism. For others, food security, nutrition, and income generation are key motivations for the practice. In both scenarios, more direct access to fresh vegetables, fruits, and meat products through urban agriculture can improve food security and food safety. This photograph depicts urban agriculture in the form of a roof garden at Essex Crossing in Manhattan, New York City. Among the plants grown are tomatoes, chili peppers, lettuce, herbs, carrots and beetroots.

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That thread over there

@SilkTork and GeneralNotability: Without seeing the hatting back and forth, I did the same thing before deciding hatting was a half measure. Went ahead and blanked it in the next edit, which IMO is what the very first person who saw that allegation should've done (with an "FYI this is a very common scam, and these kinds of allegations need to be made privately, email arbcom yadayada").

Just a ping because it wasn't intended as participating in some sort of war over your [un]hatting -- I just didn't see it, and won't complain if someone restores the content. That said, I still think it shouldn't be there. He hasn't been around in the better part of a year, but we're hosting an accusation and an emerging dramabomb on his talk page. IMO leave it out, maybe even revdel it, and open a thread on JW's talk page about (a) the scam, generally, or (b) making public accusations, without bringing up a specific user. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:37, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for BRAAAM

On 11 April 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article BRAAAM, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that there is a name – BRAAAM – for the loud – BRAAAM – low horn sound (featured) – BRAAAM – made popular by action film trailers? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/BRAAAM. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, BRAAAM), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Hook update
Your hook reached 26,076 views (1,086.5 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of April 2023 – nice work!

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I am excited to see how this hook does. Bruxton (talk) 00:11, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bruxton: Looks like it was altered a few hours ago to be a bit drier in presentation. A bummer, but oh well. If only there were a way to break pageviews into 12-hour periods. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:05, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The way the DYK viewcount is calculated means that this is probably close to the number it received in its twelve hours – an hourly viewcount that I think beats any other audio-clip lead I've come across! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:16, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The highest hourly viewcount of DYK this month so far. Congratulations. BorgQueen (talk) 08:07, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because I'm waiting a word count expansion

Just for clarity, I know the rest of my statement was loaded with a bunch of canadian humor, but I wanted you to know my AGF link was a sincere attempt from me to highlight there were no ill intentions from you in what you did, I just didn't want to assume your intentions. I also don't think that lack of action (aka reverting) is agreeing with something, more just it's likely better of left than reverted. Either way, just wanted to make it clear I wasn't trying to go at you for your action there. -- Amanda (she/her) 01:09, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's odd to explicitly undercut a reference to AGF, then insist it was just a sincere AGF, but I don't intend to belabor the point. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 11:39, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If it helps any, I do apologize, and I have retracted the original language. -- Amanda (she/her) 12:01, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thumbs up icon Thanks. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 12:06, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to start a conversation here, away from Jimbo's talk page, principally because your talk page doesn't attract as much traffic and I've got more chance of the discussion remaining on a sensible tangent.

The problem, as I see it, is that Jimbo is the only Wikipedian who is famous for editing Wikipedia by the general public. Sure, other famous people contribute to Wikimedia projects; Allan Warren's freely-licensed photos adorn numerous articles, including FAs. But nobody else has such a longstanding reputation that is primarily based on Wikipedia, and that means, as you suggested, every single action that Jimbo takes has, at a guess, 100 or so people looking at it ready to criticise or pick holes in it. Combined with his lack of time to address issues, this leads to an effective "hit and run" style of management whenever he states any sort of opinion on an article or project governance. And that leads to an insane amount of verbiage and discussion by everyone who does have the time - I can't remember how long that discussion was about Jimbo's move of Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, but it seemed to go on for days.

I've heard it said that people are afraid to take administrative action against Jimbo, especially blocking him. But I don't think Jimbo has done anything block worthy; if people think he has, then they should be able to start a thread proposing sanctions on ANI, consensus will form, and action will be taken. I can't see it happening myself. Also, some of the editors who don't think Jimbo should have admin rights or disapprove of his actions are not cranks or trolls, but sitting Arbitrators. For better or worse, we elect those people to be the ultimate body that decides conduct on Wikipedia, and so we have to listen to them.

I haven't really got a good answer to this other than to suggest to Jimbo that he's simply too famous to edit Wikipedia, and attempts to do so will always be counter-productive, and that resigning any advanced tools would be a magnanimous move towards that, though I also see your point that doing right now may be sub-optimal and invite drama in the future. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ritchie333: your talk page doesn't attract as much traffic Whaaaaat? :) Yes, good call.
an effective "hit and run" style of management - The tricky thing is, he's not exactly a manager. A manager can hire, fire, set the rules, and enforce them. Jimmy doesn't really do any of that, and I don't know that he would be able to if he tried, outside of obvious circumstances. The things he gets in trouble for are relatively normal, everyday things that any volunteer can do (which isn't to say should do :) ). The impact comes not from what he did but from who he is, as you say. An alternative to telling him he's too famous to edit Wikipedia is for us to directly address his missteps, provide advice, and try not to create a circus anytime he does anything outside of Jimbotalk. Probably not realistic, though.
Overall, I think it's a Good Thing™ for the project that there's someone with a lot of soft power who's on the right side of issues like paid editing. I like that he's willing to take someone to task when he thinks they're compromising its integrity, and willing to advocate against promotional editing. I just think he should ping a couple people off-wiki first to, you know, avoid acting on a scam or doing so in a way that does more harm than good. He may be a busy guy, but it doesn't take keeping up with the minute developments of everything on-wiki; it just takes talking to someone who does. Any admin, regardless of their available time, can attest to how quickly things can spiral if they're made a bad call just before going to bed, starting work, going on vacation, etc.
afraid to take administrative action against Jimbo I believe this might be true for the sorta-kinda "insiders" who know they'll have to work with Jimmy, the WMF, or the board. Maybe some old-timers, too, who were around for Ye Olde Userbox War. These days, however, it sure feels to me that there are more people quite eager to take some action against Jimmy (or other insiders). His actions just never rise to that level. Some bad calls, but nothing that would get anyone else sanctioned. He gets in trouble in a way that's similar to how another board member might get in trouble, or the way we would tut-tut an arbcom member if they made such a mistake because it means more coming from them.
You might be right. It might be better if he didn't get involved in on-wiki specifics and reserved his power for talking about broader issues. It would probably make for better PR, but it also feels rather un-Wikipedia to be motivated by "better PR". Maybe that's the old Wikipedia, though, before it was, well, actually important. *shrug* — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:28, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Edits related to Trumpism

Hello, I am a Wikipedia user Jeff6045. I am writing to you because it seems that your recent edits are slightly different from the edits I made earlier. You edited the page by removing numerous names of politicians that you believed were inaccurately associated with Trump without proper evidence. However, your edit also reincluded the names of Yoon Seok-yeol and Hong Jun-pyo, which I had removed from the page and explained why they should not be included as figures related to Trumpism. I assumed that your some of your edits were unintentionally including the content that I removed earlier, and so I removed the names of Yoon Seok-yeol and Hong Jun-pyo from the main text. If you believe there was an issue with my edit, please let me know. Thank you. Jeff6045 (talk) 16:40, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeff6045: Did you see the edit summary for my edit? You said here inaccurately associated with Trump without proper evidence, which is inaccurate. As I said in the edit summary:

the lead of an article summarizes the body. especially for such a controversial subject, it's entirely inappropriate to have a running list in the lead where we don't have any coverage of these people and their brand of trumpism in the body of the article. secondarily, we need a higher bar than one single source comparing someone to trump. no prejudice against these names being restored if accompanied by well sourced material in the article

reincluded the names of Yoon Seok-yeol and Hong Jun-pyo Yes. There is a whole section about them in the article, and we summarize the article in the lead (the top part of the article). It sounds like your issue is with the material in the body of the article, not just what's in the lead (which, again is only a summary of the rest of the article). I've replied on the talk page. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:48, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Effective writing

Regarding this comment: personally I think the editorial's structure diminishes its effectiveness, but the author disagrees, and I'm pretty sure others also disagree. There'd be no point though in having a parallel article covering the same material: it would be redundant, somewhat similar to a newspaper publishing both a reporter's original draft and the copy edited version. The regular contributors to the Signpost generally defer to what the authors prefer regarding writing structure and wording, and I understand why (it's not like there are a plethora of contributors to write about the areas usually covered by the Signpost). isaacl (talk) 01:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Isaacl: I agree that it could be awkward, but it could also be framed as two takes on the same issue. I feel like I've seen that in the Signpost before. I don't think it's like the rough draft and edited version; more like two people focusing on entirely different parts of an event. Another approach could just be SB writes about the paid editing part of the story and someone else writes about ... the rest of it. But yes, as I said in my first comment there, I suspect there's a way to edit SB's version to be more acceptable to all (perhaps not those who want to totally exonerate Jimbo or those who would love to drag him over the coals, but meh). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the key is that there needs to be different takes for different articles to work. When the disagreements are with organization, style, and so forth, different articles would just be rewritten versions of the same facts. The author doesn't want to separate out the different aspects of the story, so that's not an available option (and it would amount to a complete overhaul of the piece). isaacl (talk) 02:15, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Bazzini GAN

Hello Rhododendrites, you appear not to have started addressing any of the comments I wrote in my review of the Bazzini GAN. Please note that the nomination will fail if the comments are still unaddressed by the date set, 25 April. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 13:17, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Amitchell125: Hey. Thanks for the review. You mind leaving it open for a while? I nominated a few articles at once, overestimating my available time a bit. I do plan to get to it in the near future though. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:18, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll keep it open until 28 April, but no longer, as it shouldn't take you long to finish, once you start on it. Amitchell125 (talk) 13:24, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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