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Hey there, it's cymru.lass (again). I was wondering if I could pick your brain (again) because I ran into a copyright thing I don't know how to handle properly (again). The article in question is Consultative Committee for Space Data Systems. In the references section, there was a little note that says "The content of this article was adapted and expanded from the www.ccsds.org (public domain)." I took a look at the website, turns out that ccsds.org's content is not public domain (and is very clearly stated to be copyrighted, with all rights reserved). So I decided to go through the article and see how much of it was taken verbatim from ccsds.org. Turns out, it was a good chunk of the article, but not all of it. (I copied the article over to User:Cymru.lass/ccsds and then went link by link—each edit represents removal of content from a single link—if you want to take a look.)
I have a page size-counting script installed in my .js, so I ran it on the userspace version after the removal as well as the original article and it turns out over 2/3 of the original article was easily identifiable as copyrighted material. What do I do? The version with the copyvios removed isn't enough to stand on its own two legs as an article. Do I nominate it for deletion as a mostly-copyvio? Do I take out the copyvios and just leave it like that? Do I do something else entirely? Many thanks, — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 15:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Montesuma2012 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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Sopher99 (talk) 12:33, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
if you want I'll delete the account Montesuma2012Montesuma2012 (talk) 15:43, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Please semi the two pages he edited. Sopher99 (talk) 16:00, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
and if I promise never to make changes without good reasons, and only using the correct source is possible for me to stay! And if I break my promise I can block and I shall not create new accountsMontesuma2012 (talk) 07:55, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Just checking. Evityola (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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Sopher99 (talk) 17:50, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Please go over my examples in the arbcom case about the not to be mentioned boxes and point what I should avoid in the future. You don't have to look at the "reverts" for me. I would always try to improve something in place in the article, for the readers to see it, instead of a complete revert. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:32, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
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Sopher99 (talk) 13:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
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Sopher99 (talk) 10:39, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Have you posted in the wrong place at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Result_of_the_appeal_by_.3CSonofSetanta.3E? It looks as if you have taken a unilateral decision to decline my appeal. SonofSetanta (talk) 12:08, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi there. I was trying to add a new figure of the man power of the National Defense Force (Syria) in this article. From this external source we can say that the Strength of this force is 60,000 - 80,000. I wanted to add this figure and reference to the article but I cannot since I am not yet auto-confirmed. Could the protection be removed so that I can add this figure or?
Thanks, Best Regards, Borislav Sabev (talk) 16:36, 10 September 2013 (UTC).
((edit semi-protected))
: add it to the article's talk page and then explain the change you'd want made. Another editor will make it for you, until you are confirmed. Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:45, 1 September 2013 (UTC)I like your Italian phrase in the infoboxes case, but don't want to add more there. You say: "if Andy was to ask another editor to add an infobox to an article on his behalf". - Of course he would not have to ask, because I would feel that an article by him without an infobox would not be complete and add one without being asked, which would add to a more subtle feeling of "gaming restrictions". Why not openly let him add infoboxes to his articles? How would the project suffer? I see authors who want their articles free from an infobox on one side, authors who want them with an infobox on the other. Why would arbcom not treat both sides equally? Do you think a restriction that seems unfair would be understood by the community? - Wether any of this - authors dictating the content of their article - is Wikipedia spirit is a different question for the future (unfortunately, I wish the case had dealt with it), but until then, I would vote for equal treatment. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Your other question, the one regarding the spirit of Wikipedia, is not one that ArbCom can solve: we can only say that, under the current policies and guidelines, infoboxes are not mandatory. And urge the community to discuss the issue to come up with a better guideline. And, considering this, for the moment it would be better to table all individual discussions about infoboxes until said guideline has been adopted.
Finally, my personal suggestion (made in my capacity as an editor and not as an arbitrator) would be to avoid adding infoboxes to Andy's articles, even if he doesn't ask you, because, otherwise, there may the appearance of gaming, even if no gaming has actually occurred and that may lead not to sanctions but rather to drama... Again, the best thing you all could do, right now, in my opinion, would be to stop discussing anything relating to infoboxes for a bit (a month, for instance) and, then, start a community discussion to develop a better guideline. Salvio Let's talk about it! 12:57, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Salvio, I guess you are doing great. Since you are an administrator I would like if you could help me with something. Can you please transfer User:Tomica/Good Girl Gone Bad to the original article, Good Girl Gone Bad. I would be grateful. Cheers! — Tomíca(T2ME) 10:28, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi! You have a message on my talk page. I would be grateful if you would respect that I am not in the friendliest of moods at the moment!! ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ (♥ Talk♥ ) 23:28, 10 September 2013 (UTC) Thank you for your polite comment. I have replied :)♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ (♥ Talk♥ ) 23:48, 10 September 2013 (UTC) Thank you. I have replied again.♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ (♥ Talk♥ ) 00:18, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks guys :) ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ (♥ Talk♥ ) 00:48, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
— Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 18:22, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
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I disagree with the removal of this personal attack. Not because it isn't an inappropriate attack, but because I don't want to obfuscate Phil's far-out position on this, which is particularly relevant in a thread were he requests that you arbitrators [and others] take the opinions of his opponents with a grain of salt. -- tariqabjotu 14:37, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
You do realiase that what you refer to as "the latest edits" by Bonkers date from several weeks ago, [1] and that Bonkers had already agreed to desist from such obviously provocative silliness before the AI thread began. IP 89.240.40.140 quoted Bonkers as saying "If anyone were to offer negative criticism of this hook, then the person would be deemed to have issues". In fact that referred to a completely different hook: the one that was actually used. And the "niggers, niggers" line is comment about 'rich vocabulary' [2]. Is he being tiresome, yes, but it is in a context, and he had already agreed to stop days ago. Paul B (talk) 21:22, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the nature of the block, it's a personal action not the enforcement of consensus at AN. I considered that Bonker's behaviour was disruptive, had been allowed to go on for too long and acted. Salvio Let's talk about it! 21:37, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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I want to stress something, which I've said on the workshop, but that I want to say here, so that I know you see it, because your finding that I've said that people are transphobic is not only wrong, but wrong in a way that I feel misrepresents what I have said in this discussion.
Simply put, descriptions like "transphobic" and "hate speech" are not necessarily comments on intent, but on material outcome. To quote hate speech, "hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group." Note that this does not indicate that the speech is uttered maliciously, or that the speaker is hateful - it notes that the speech is incendiary and promotes violence and prejudice. Transgender people are often the subject of violence specifically because of the belief that they are in some way lying or deceiving people by claiming their identities. Misnaming reinforces the idea that their claimed identities are false, and thus normalizes the justification for violence.
I think this is a very important point to make, because it's crucial to understanding how systemic discrimination and bigotry happens. (And that is what I absolutely believe happened here.) It's not a matter of a small number of people with nefarious intent - it's a matter of a large number of people with good intent but who are ignorant and, for whatever reason, reluctant to listen to the voices of trans people and to treat them with the seriousness they deserve. To me that is the real and awful horror of bigotry and hate speech: it's usually not malicious. It's far more banal than that. It's usually well-intentioned, if not terribly well thought through. Hate speech is often caused by good people trying to do the right thing and failing.
Yes, I've been absolutely unwavering in condemning actions that I believe do real and material harm to trans people. Of course I have. Because that harm is being done to people I love. But I've never once impugned the motives of anyone supporting the "Bradley Manning" title. I've been unsparing in describing the consequences of that title, yes. I've condemned support for it because of the harm that it causes, and I've condemned that support in strong words. But not once have I accused anyone of doing anything hatefully, or of being transphobic themselves. Nor would I ever. I was wrong about a lot of these topics in the past - in fact, my first hostile dispute on Wikipedia was over trans issues, and I was on the other side of the issue from the one I'm taking now. I espoused transphobia. I espoused bigotry. I supported article wordings that were hate speech. I don't think I was a bad person then. I think I was just wrong, and my wrongness had dreadful consequences. And the same applies to the people I've criticized here. I believe that calling the article "Bradley Manning" is transphobic hate speech, yes. I in no way believe that every, or indeed more than a handful of people supporting that title are transphobic or hateful. And I think that distinction is absolutely essential to any serious and mature discussion of how bigotry and discrimination actually happen. Phil Sandifer (talk) 02:08, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
in italiano ci capiremo meglio: avevo abbozzato l'articolo Breil (company) ma un personaggio ha fatto il reindirizzo a Binda Group e sta intralciando la mia opera di traduttore perchè già esiste it: Breil (azienda) quindi chiedo il ripristino del mio stub che svilupperò quando avrò tempo. Quell'utente non ha capito che Breil è una società controllata da Binda ma trattasi di entità finanziarie differenti! Sono disponibile per ulteriore chiarimento; ciao e buona fortuna--Pagoprima (talk) 16:30, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
I wanted to say I think your comments on the Manning RfAR have been sensible and balanced. It seems like some other generally-sensible arbitrators have taken a one-sided approach, perhaps letting their personal feelings cause them to try to authoritatively settle a content/policy-formation dispute. I appreciate your taking the time to act in a fair and even-handed way in this case. At the end of the day we can either be an encyclopedia first or an advocacy group first, but not both. Take care, 50.45.158.11 (talk) 02:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
I believe that Kirill's finding of fact 7 subtly misrepresents the close. The admins did analyse the arguments during the RFC that BLP required a move of the article, and rejected them as insufficient. That's a normal part of WP:CONSENSUS. Describing it as a "super-vote" is dismissive and cheapens the work that went into evaluating the discussion.
I've proposed an alternate finding of fact 7 at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manning_naming_dispute/Proposed_decision#Analysis_of_change_of_article_title_by_closing_administrators . Multiple arbitrators have been pinged, but none have responded.
If you need Boz, BD2412 and I to explicitly insert the sentence "After carefully evaluating the comments about BLP in the discussion, we have concluded ..." into point 3, we certainly can, but that's a part of closing an RFC. I find it insulting that anyone thinks that we skipped it.—Kww(talk) 02:31, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
I rather think my points on the Manning workshop talk page may be congruent with some of your opinions - specifically with regard of the primary purpose of an encyclopedia is to properly serve its users, and that where the sources which would be sought by readers use a specific name, that Wikipedia ill-serves them by providing a name for a person 'which will not yield any search results for the contemporary reports about that person. The New York Times did not make a redirect on all Chelsea Manning searches to show Bradley Manning articles, as far as I can tell. Where the notability is specific to one name, then that is what an encyclopedia ought to use, albeit including "preferred pronouns" in the body of the article, I suppose. Cheers. Collect (talk) 11:59, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
On the Cheslea Manning arbcom proposed decision you made the comment that "...the discussion became a charlie foxtrot". That's not an expression I'm at all familiar with and I can't work out quite what you mean by it? Thryduulf (talk) 14:17, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
"Way too lenient. If we are voting to topic ban editors who have only made only offensive remark"
I believe you meant "one" instead of only.Two kinds of pork (talk) 19:43, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
[4] The "Benjamin Standards of Care" appear to be useful in understanding some of the issues involved in GID (or GD depending on your sources). I believe it would be useful for the committee members to apprise themselves of the information therein, including the requirements for "real life test" in treatment of patients, and the requirement that the person show an ability to function in another gender in real life. Note that for a diagnosis of "transsexuality" (F64.0): The transsexual identity has been present persistently for at least two years.
I can not find any sourcing for Manning having this persistently for two years, but we do not have the records of his psychotherapist to work with. There is, unfortunately, a real possibility that F64.1 might eventually be applicable - although that still requires months of work by people skilled in the topic, not editors here who are either too intimately involved in the topic, or who are simply unaware of the complexity of the issue -- which is not "Is Manning a He or a She?" at all, and such oversimplification in the case is more harmful to thousands of "quiet transsexuals" than any possible harm to Manning. That "harm" should be weighed carefully - sideshows have generally had a negative impact on people who have GID (or GD depending on what you are reading).
The topic must be treated with sensitivity and care, but I strongly suspect that the lawyers who made a major issue of it are not doing Manning any great service in the long run, nor are the news media doing him any great favour - I am quite unsure that Manning can actually change genders under such a spotlight, especially with such a high percentage of people falling into F64.1 rather than F64.0 (and unable to live the role in real life).
For that reason, I suggest you propose to the members that they seek an opinion from a therapist recognized in the field for following the standards of care as to what opinions they might have -- ideally one well-acquainted with the background involved. The current "proposed decision" page is, frankly, beyond comprehension, and appears to show a lack of understanding of the salient background. Cheers. Collect (talk) 20:21, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
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Sopher99 (talk) 19:04, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I do not Deonis and do not have to ascribe to it! I do recently created a page and do not intend to change anything just want to chit Wikipedia article and if something does not change what I have observed vovred Wikipedia Wikipedia rules. Now I'm not breaking the rules, and why I block if I do not break.Redaktor85 (talk) 19:28, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Just Wikipedia is very interesting to me and I want to make a constructive contribution to its development and not violate its rules! And it's not humane block party especially if it is at the moment not committed acts of vandalism and do not even think to do thatRedaktor85 (talk) 19:41, 1 October 2013 (UTC)