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Could you please move "Ballad for Americans (album)" back to "Ballad for Americans (Bing Crosby album)"? You thought that was "unnecessary disambiguation". But it was Paul Robeson who originally released the cantata as an album (a two-record set) and I think his version is more famous. (There's no article about that original album yet.) And redirect "Ballad for Americans (album)" to simply "Ballad for Americans". --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:06, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Moscow Connection: I made that move 7 years ago, so no. You will need to use the WP:RM process. Also, see WP:ALBUMDAB. Steel1943 (talk) 03:25, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's just that I thought you were an admin. (I see now, I'll just have to create an article about the Paul Robeson album.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 07:50, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

	Washing dirty redirects
	Thanks for wringing out every WP:RDAB violation from the filthy, forgotten corners of the 2005-era Wikipedia. (Roundish ✡t) 00:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The redirect Berry picking has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 28 § Berry picking until a consensus is reached. Indefatigable (talk) 20:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just to note that as per the two pages linked from Wikipedia:MONOTYPICTAXA, articles about a species which is the only one in its genus, as is the case with × Tripleurocota sulfurea, are at the genus (unless this needs to be disambiguated). Peter coxhead (talk) 10:26, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Peter coxhead: Could you please provide to me linked names of the article(s) I moved which contradicted these guidelines? (Unfortunately, I've done more edits lately than I usually do in such a period of time, so I recall what you are referring, but not specifically.) Either way, IMO, it's a bit odd that an article is titled with its parent subject rather than itself per WP:CONCISE, so ... any chance you may know the discussion(s) which resulted in a guideline that possibly goes against WP:CONCISE? (I mean, I'm no stranger to titling and disambiguation guidelines that go against WP:PRECISE and WP:CONCISE, considering WP:ALBUMDAB and WP:SONGDAB, so I know it happens ... I'm just curious how it happened.) Steel1943 (talk) 00:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Peter coxhead: Never mind about the list of articles as I see you have reverted my move(s). However, just curious: Do you know of any location where there might have been discussion that led to the consensus I referenced above? Steel1943 (talk) 06:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's a very long-standing convention across the tree of life wikiprojects, and seems to have been in place before the naming conventions guidance was split between fauna and flora, so I'm not sure where it was originally discussed; I would assume there's material in the archives of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life. I've never known any other convention since I started editing seriously around 2010.

You wrote "it's a bit odd that an article is titled with its parent subject rather than itself", but this isn't the case. If a genus has only one species, then if there is an article on the genus and an article on the species there's really nothing different to say in each one. Having one article with a redirect avoids duplication of content and consequent redundancy. For a monospecific genus, the genus name and the species name refer to exactly the same set of organisms, so there's no problem with WP:PRECISE. As for WP:CONCISE, the genus name is more concise than the species name, so once it's decided to have only one article, it seems to me that the genus name is the more obvious choice. But it is to some degree arbitrary which name is chosen, and other language wikis have made different choices.

Peter coxhead (talk) 07:38, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Peter coxhead: Regarding "If a genus has only one species, then if there is an article on the genus and an article on the species there's really nothing different to say in each one.: What I mean by that is ... at some point during some edits I have recently been performing, I found an article titled the genus but the article in its entirety described the species, which I found odd. I mean, in that case, I would believe the genus subject would have WP:REDLINK potential since it is/was not identified anywhere other than a brief mention on an article with the genus as a title, but the article is only about its only species. Meh, this policy of ours can potential cause article connection issues on Wikidata since it could lead to Wikidata claiming an article about the genus on one Wikipedia discusses the same subject of another article on another Wikipedia, but that article is about the species. (I know the English Wikipedia tends to give local policy over fixing Wikidata issues, and I could have sworn that was written somewhere in the project space, so it is what it is.) Long story short, I've been editing regularly since about 2012, and ... this is the first time I can recall running into needing to know this article titling policy at any point during my time here ... which is a bit of a surprise for me since a good portion of the edits I do on here tend to be regarding titling articles per WP:PRECISE and WP:CONCISE in terms of disambiguation (besides my regular WP:RFD participation ... and whatever other redundant fixes I find that several articles tend to need.) Anyways, that's all I got for now, so ... as they say: Cheers! Steel1943 (talk) 20:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There's some discussion of the Wikidata issue at User:Peter coxhead/Wikidata issues#Monotypic taxa. As noted there, it's worse than genus/species issues for more complex monotypic taxa, because, for example, the general policy on the Spanish wikipedia is one article at the highest level, on the Italian wikipedia one article at the lowest level, and on the French wikipedia one article at each level except the genus. I regard the problem as being with Wikidata: it is supposed to model the external world as it is. The policy of only allowing 1:1 links manifestly fails to represent reality. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:08, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

...I've been dealing with that Wikidata redirect linking issue for over 10 years, around the time Wikidata first went live. Now, yeah, Wikidata allows linking redirects, but only if the title is not a redirect when it is linked in Wikidata. I don't have the resources to figure out where on Wikidata this may be stated, but linking redirects directly through Wikidata links to the redirect's target instead. Annoying, but ... after discovering the initial failure to allow linking redirects over a decade ago, the fact that a workaround in Wikidata still needs to occur to link a redirect is frustrating. But, eh ... it is what it is. Steel1943 (talk) 18:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Actually, you can link directly to a title that is a redirect. When you add the link, a little icon comes up next to the title you're adding (when you hover, the text "Click to assign a badge" appears – "badge" is very odd here to me). Clicking on the icon you can choose "intentional sitelink to redirect". I'm not sure how long this has been allowed – I found it by accident. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:39, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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	The Minor barnstar
	Replying to all your RfDs (that all had the same problem) made me lose a million brain cells. Anyway, how do you even log that many redirects in a day? The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 22:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@The Corvette ZR1: I used to do bundled nominations, and people complained. I then split them up, and then people complain. Since there is really no third option, guess people will just complain. 😂 Steel1943 (talk) 23:21, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It turns out, complaining is as addictive as beer. Also, you should tell them that complaining is literally killing them. Sadly, I'm pretty sure these don't meet RS, so... umm... uhh... idk, my brain is dead lol. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 23:38, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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InfiniteNexus (talk) 07:12, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey, not sure if you know this, but I've found intitle:/a\(/ (example; replace the letter to find more) which is useful to find redirects that don't have a space before the disambiguation. Gonnym (talk) 11:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Gonnym: Look at the hidden text at the bottom of my user page... Been tweaking regexes for a bit to avoid false positives. 😉 Steel1943 (talk) 13:20, 5 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hidden text! Gonnym (talk) 13:32, 5 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Gonnym: Eh, my regex setups would not have found Tropical Storm Verna(1945) since my regexes are set up to ignore malformed "disambiguators" with the first character being a number, due to the high potential to return false positive results for valid chemistry-related redirects that have parentheses, dashes, and numbers at almost random locations. Steel1943 (talk) 14:26, 5 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Gonnym: Just created a regex for years. The search contained a very small amount of false positives (and may return different results every time it is used since the complicated regex makes the search function time out), but most seem like valid WP:RDAB issues. Steel1943 (talk) 14:36, 5 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Steel1943,

Thank you for creating Brother's Keeper (2021 film).

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

Hi Steel1943. The article as it stands is borderline for meeting WP:NFILM and would really need to be expanded with additional WP:RS sources to demonstrate notability. It would benefit from an explanation of the plot, and the addition of a 'Reception' section. It would also benefit from addition to relevant Wikiprojects.

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Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:23, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Bastun: This is a automated tool notification failure since I created the title as a redirect and I did not create any of the content on the page: The editor who did that was Inwind. Steel1943 (talk) 15:44, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also, I do not use the Page Curation tool, but if the tool allows custom notifications and you wrote that notification, you may want to look at the page's edit history next time to ensure the correct editor is named and the notification goes to them instead. Thanks. Steel1943 (talk) 15:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Apologies, yes, the tool identifies the 'page creator', I should have checked. My bad! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey Steel! Thank you for your nominations at RfD by the way. I've been curious for a while if you've been working off of a list (from Quarry or somewhere else) in order to identify the redirects that make errors in disambiguation. I've ran a few tests of my own and found a slew of pages with disambiguation errors, although I haven't really bitten deeper into that chunk for a few reasons, mainly because my focus has been elsewhere and I wanted to confer alongside your efforts. I guess the main thing I'm wondering is if you've been working off a list, and/or how far through are you those nominations, and/or what criteria have you been using to make the list? Thanks, Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:15, 13 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh wait... I can't believe I didn't see the other section two above this that I should've tacked onto, LOL. That does answer some of my questions, I haven't checked the regex yet. A lot of what I was looking into was missing or extra parentheses and how often those come up (there's a few hundred or so) but I wanted to see how likely it was that we'd be running into the same problematic redirects. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

By the way, I was investigating this around when I sent this message, but I thought you might want to take a look at this massviews of Foo(bar) redirects: [1]. The query it's based on, ([2]) isn't a perfect catch-all by any means, as there's plenty of chemistry redirects which validly lack a space, and show up in this report because of it. But by looking at the viewcounts, most of the chemicals float to the top of the list view-wise (not all though). I saw looked into the regex you used in your searches, which is what I adapted for this query, but instead was looking at lowercase letters instead of numbers in the disambiguators. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 18:43, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Utopes: I'll take a look at that Quarry inquiry ... beats having to reload my regex every time the search times out. (I used Quarry like once in the past, but couldn't really figure it out ... but since my real life time to dedicate to Wikipedia has been rather sporadic lately, the list of entries I get prior to the query timing out on search is usually all I have time for whenever I run the regex search.) Steel1943 (talk) 06:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sounds good if you do; for disclosure, I might also start chipping away at some of the redirects listed there in a little while. Although, I'm (quite surprisingly) trying to space out my nominations so I'm not just going all in for a singular category at RfD. As an example, I don't think I'm going to do any more RDAB nominations for a while as I'm waiting for my current few to simmer and conclude, and am instead putting my attention on the backend of the NPP queue instead. A strategy I've been thinking about is to bundle all of the redirects that are exactly of the form Foo(song), of which there's 129 (per [3], but who said it was going to be easy 😅). Similarly there's 172 that are exactly like Foo(film), another common occurrence. We'll see how the next few weeks play out. Hope real life is going well though! Feel free to take it easy, there's no deadline by any means ^^ 😌 Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]