Hello, Stigharder. This is in reply to your message on my talk page. Like Justlettersandnumbers, I'm afraid have no interest in aiding the re-creation of these articles, especially after the shenanigans involving undisclosed conflict of interest and multiple accounts. Two of these accounts (User:Shousokutsuu and this current one) explicitly state that they are operated by Stig Harder, presumably you. Then there is User:Haadaa, whose account name is a phonetic spelling of your surname and who has bizarrely accused two long-term editors of being affiliates of your company's competitors. Haadaa has also repeatedly used the pronouns "we" and "us" in reference to you and your companies, yet refused to clarify what was meant by that despite requests from multiple editors [1], [2]. In addition, Haadaa claimed at the Conflict of interest notice board: "We, ourselves, have no interest in promoting any of the companies, brands or institutions whose articles we edited or created". This convinces no one given the editing patterns of these three accounts.
You are welcome to try Wikipedia:Deletion review, but as Justlettersandnumbers said, you are probably going to get some strong push-back. I had a look at the new links to your website where copies of various press articles are hosted. They are largely brief mentions of Fashion Net and Lumiere in pieces about fashion websites in general. This feature on Stig Harder in Henne, seems to be the sole source devoted to him and looks an awful lot like a PR piece. I very much doubt if contributors to the Deletion review discussion would find that these sources are sufficient to establish notability and overturn the AfD decisions on the three former Wikipedia articles listed above. But I can't predict this with certainty. If you do take these decisions to DR, I strongly suggest that you come clean about the nature of the multiple accounts, explicitly declare the conflict of interest, henceforth stick to one account only, and refrain from editing as a logged out IP. You need to read this page very carefully, especially the section on "Inappropriate uses of alternative accounts". Voceditenore (talk) 12:39, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Dear Voceditenore,
Oh, no.... This account is the first that represents me as an individual and that nobody else but myself will be using. I did indeed set up Shousokutsuu a long time ago as I hoped to put in place an article on the Vegalitarian Society, but I had no idea about your policies at that time; the account was later taken over by Wikipedia "experts" (which I understand now they weren't). Haadaa was set up by my company, not me. I apologize for the paranoia they seem to have expressed. As for myself and your notability requirements, doesn't the Cooper Hewitt exhibition establish that all by itself? https://web-beta.archive.org/web/19970215142503/http://mixingmessages.si.edu:80/mm/dialogue/comm5.jhtml;MSkKN8ldt0c3R4wNNhG9EntHIMA793ySd5zF1QNZss8m0lA and https://www.stigharder.com/media/cooper-hewitt-1997.jpg
Thank you so much for your help, Voceditenore.
Stigharder (talk) 21:46, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
The article in Henne wasn't promotional; it was an interview. They got in touch with me while I was living in Barcelona:
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"Sørli, Tone Tuhus" <tone.tuhus.sorli@henne.no> SV: Vedr. mini-intervju Stig Harder <harder@fashion.net> Ok, mail er greit det. Da sender jeg deg rett og slett noen sporsmål her. Jeg trenger svar fra deg innen førstkomende mandag morgen:
mote og Internett?
minneverdige fra jobben din? Jeg trenger også noen faktaopplysninger om deg:
utdannelse, ev. andre jobber osv.)?
Ok - det skulle vel dekke det meste, tror jeg. Jeg mailer deg uansett et ferdig tekstutkast, så du kan se hvordan vi tenker oss intervjuet. Jeg trenger et bilde av deg. Har du noe du kan sende meg høyoppløselig (300 dpi)? Snakkes/Mailes! Hilsen Tone i HENNE ______________________ HENNE PB 1169 Sentrum N - 0107 Oslo Tone Tuhus Sørli journalist/redigerer telefon +47 21 30 11 08 telefaks +47 21 30 12 16 tone.tuhus.sorli@henne.no Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Stig Harder [SMTP:harder@fashion.net] Sendt: 13. juni 2002 19:20 Til: Sørli, Tone Tuhus Emne: Re: Vedr. mini-intervju Hei Tone, Det er mye bedre om vi kan gjøre dette via email.
Stig Harder Hei! Jeg er journalist i magasinet Henne og snakket akkurat med Trude Kolaas. Hun har sendt oss en mail der hun skriver om deg og nettstedet for Lumiere. Jeg har lyst til aa ta en liten prat med deg, og ringer deg i morgen fredag 14.6. mellom 10.00 og 11.00. Håper du er aa treffe da. Vennlig hilsen Tone Tuhus Sorli ______________________ HENNE PB 1169 Sentrum N - 0107 Oslo telefon +47 21 30 11 08 telefaks +47 21 30 12 16 tone.tuhus.sorli@henne.no |
Stigharder (talk) 22:35, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Dear Voceditenore,
Not hired, just offering a "favor." Lesson learned.
Stigharder (talk) 20:00, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
In the meanwhile, I really did start fashion on the internet (lots of important people in fashion and arts that witnessed it as it happened can confirm this), but back then, as you see in the tongue-in-cheek "pins & needles" column written by the late Woody Hochswender (http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nytimes/obituary.aspx?pid=177147207) for Harper's Bazaar at https://www.stigharder.com/media/harpers-bazaar-1995.jpg — published just six months after we launched FASHION NET, the media was curious but didn't yet take the Internet seriously. It wasn't until the year after that the press recognized my accomplishments — and indeed Internet's potential itself as a viable medium, such as TIME Magazine in 1996 (https://www.stigharder.com/media/time-magazine-1996.jpg), New York Times (https://www.stigharder.com/media/new-york-times-1996.jpg) as well as Smithsonian's Cooper Hewitt Design Museum (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/19970215142503/http://mixingmessages.si.edu:80/mm/dialogue/comm5.jhtml;MSkKN8ldt0c3R4wNNhG9EntHIMA793ySd5zF1QNZss8m0lA https://www.stigharder.com/media/cooper-hewitt-1997.jpg).
The US government itself recognizes me as an "alien of extraordinary ability" — my green card is an EB-1A, but I understand a scan of my green card may not be considered a reference on Wikipedia, although I can send it along if you'd like.
Stigharder (talk) 20:10, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
Dear Voceditenore,
I found the issue of HENNE that the article was featured in. Here's the photo I took right now.
https://www.stigharder.com/media/henne-magazine-2002.jpg
Warm regards,
Stig
Stigharder (talk) 09:58, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you so much, Gråbergs Gråa Sång and Voceditenore.
I've had the article in HENNE transcribed and translated into English on Google. After having a good look at WP:GNG it seems this article fulfills all requirements for notability. What do you think?
NORSKTOPPEN:
Gründer på nett
Han har bodd i Los Angeles, New York, Paris og Barcelona. Kanskje blir Tokyo neste stopp for STIG HARDER (33), nordmannen som lanserte verdens første mote sider på Internett.
Stig Harder er utgiver av to av verdens største og mest kjente mote-nettsteder på Internet: Fashion Net og Lumière. Ideen kom da han flyttet til Paris for åtte år siden. - Først kjøpte jeg et modem og koblet meg på Internett. Jeg søkte etter ordet "fashion", men fant ikke en eneste relevant side. Det var da jeg bestemte meg for å starte. Stig Harder lanserte Fashion Net i 1995. - Dette markerte noe nytt. New York Times, Vogue, Harper's Bazaar, The Guardian, CNN, Le Monde, TIME Magazine...., alle beskrev Internett som det nye mediet for mote. Senere samme år lanserte han Lumière, verdens første elektroniske motemagasin på Internett. Nylig ble Lumière nominert som et av verdens beste mote-nettsteder. I juryen satt blant andre Bjørk og David Bowie. - Før lanseringen snakket jeg med Chambre Syndicale, organisasjonen som arrangerer mote-showene i Paris. Jeg nevnte Lumière og Internet, og de sa spørrende: "Inter...., what?" Da visste jeg at vi fortsatt hadde langt å gå. Men da Chambre Syndicale senere så hva vi hadde laget, sa de: "Wow - it looks just like a magazine!" Det var gøy å vise dem Internett for aller første gang. Stig Harder er født i Flekkefjord. Han har studert grafisk design ved Art Center i Sveits og Los Angeles. Han har jobbet som designer i New York, München og Paris. - I tiden framover skal jeg bruke mesteparten av energien min på å utvikle eksperimentelle og innovative ting på Lumière. Tokyo blir muligens neste stopp - jeg var det i mars og ble veldig imponert. Nå lærer jeg meg japansk. Se mer av Internett-sidene på www.fashion.net og www.lumiere.com. TTS
A translation from Norwegian to English at:
Stigharder (talk) 23:01, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Dear Voceditenore,
Did you have a chance to look at this? I hope you can help getting the articles back now that you hopefully have the references you mentioned were lacking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stig_Harder
Thank you so much for your help.
Warm regards,
Stig
Stigharder (talk) 20:44, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Dear Voceditenore,
I need your support, not the least because you clearly are the most capable editor here (I trust you know I'm right). Please help me get the articles back that were deleted because there weren't sufficient sources online. While there will be more written about me as I continue my work in a less low-profile manner than earlier, I hope Wikipedia will recognize me for pioneering a field that no major media took seriously at the time, but that, because of people like myself, became the most powerful media of them all. I know Wikipedia needs proof of notability and I'm confident there now are sufficient sources for it to be established.
Thank you, Voceditenore.
Soon,
Stig
Stigharder (talk) 23:17, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
Dear Voceditenore,
Thank you so much for this and also for advising me not to walk straight into a trap at the Deletion Review! :)
I trust I can work with editors there at Wikipedia on the draft rather than doing all of this myself (I wish you could help me write it). I definitely do not wish to involve anyone else related to my companies or that may be motivated to "help." While everything here is related to fashion, it really is about pioneering the Internet by adopting a new medium nobody took seriously at the time and then publishing content there that showed its potential to the press and that truly impressed them too. I'll consult with Jack Schofield (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaschofield/), a writer at at the Guardian who actually witnessed it all as it happened (https://www.stigharder.com/media/guardian-1995.jpg), and ensure this will be a thoroughly objective article that also meets your encyclopedic standards. (I wish I could connect with you on LinkedIn as well; if you'd like to, I'm at https://www.linkedin.com/in/stigharder/.)
In the meanwhile, I'll also be less low-profile than I was in the past, even refusing so far to appear on television. Which reminds me, a photographer of ours showed Paris Première's "Eco, Ecu et quoi?" Lumière's coverage back then of the runway shows in Paris (https://www.stigharder.com/media/paris-premiere-eco-ecu-et-quoi-1996.mp4 at the 00:02:02 mark) when they introduced the Internet itself to their audience.
Also, the Norwegian and French editions of Wikipedia may be interested on writing their own articles on these subjects as well. If you know, what is the correct procedure there?
Thanks again for your help, Voceditenore — talk to you soon!
Warm regards,
Stig
Stigharder (talk) 19:53, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Dear Voceditenore,
Trust you're well!
I'd appreciate if you could take a look at what I wrote to you here and let me know what you think.
Thank you, Voceditenore!
Warm regards,
Stig
Stigharder (talk) 05:55, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Dear Voceditenore,
Thanks again for all of your help.
On July 17th, you told me on your talk page at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Voceditenore&oldid=790981627 that "I am not an administrator. I have no control whatsoever over deleted articles." I replied, "Oh, I assumed you were an administrator — you indeed were the sole person voting for the deletion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Fashion_Net" but instead of answering me, you archived our conversation the next day.
I find this very disturbing. Are you, as you claim, not an administrator with no control over deleted articles? All this time, I assumed you were.
Warm regards,
Stig
Stigharder (talk) 06:58, 23 July 2017 (UTC)