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And? The works of Ralph Ellis demonstrate far greater knowledge and understanding than you could ever dream of. I have seen your constant meddling around Wiki before, which is amply displayed on your talk-page. Nothing you do is for the betterment of knowledge, instead it is all designed to reinforce your limited world-view. Tatelyle (talk) 18:36, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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@Tatelyle: Thank you for your recent contribution to Abgar V! This is an obscure topic, and you seem to have knowledge in this area, so your contributions are most welcome. However, you didn't cite any sources. Can you provide additional references for your claim? If not, I may have to do some more research myself to substantiate your claim, which might take a while... Sondra.kinsey (talk) 19:36, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Tgeorgescu. But I quoted Moses of Chorene (ancient chronicler), Acts of the Apostles, and Prof Robert Eisenman, who is perhaps the world's expert in this field. Tatelyle (talk) 13:43, 6 August 2017 (UTC) Tatelyle.[reply]
Warning@Tatelyle: Your edit to The Exodus is very problematic and concerning to me as an editor. You removed both substantive information and a citation to a scholarly source (Finkelstein & Silberman, 2002) and replaced it with contradictory uncited content. You may not remove material from Wikipedia simply because you do not agree with it. I recommend reading Wikipedia:But it's true!Sondra.kinsey (talk) 21:39, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
My content WAS cited. And what you (someone) has done here, is remove my material presumably because they did not agree with it, despite my citations. Josephus Flavius gives a specific date for the Exodus (reference cited), which should be mentioned in the Exidus dating section, and it was removed. Why? Tatelyle (talk) 13:48, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Do take the time to read the blue links from the July 2017 warnings. Wikipedia has rules and every editor is expected to abide by them, if he/she is properly warned and he/she still doesn't, he/she is subsequently blocked. Tgeorgescu (talk) 03:12, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's not really any of my business, but you forgot to answer Tatelyle's question. I found that sort of thing annoying when dealing with you in the past Tgeorgescu. Woscafrench (talk) 14:33, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, Tgeorgescu, you are completely wrong on this, and I will go over your head if necessary. Flavius Josephus is NOT a primary source on the events of the Exodus. Your 'blue links' say that secondary sources must be used, who are.... a. chronologically separated from the events, b. one step removed from the event, c. provide an analysis or evaluation of the primary source.
Quite clearly Josephus Flavius is a secondary source. He is chronologically removed from the Exodus and is providing an analysis of the accounts by primary sources, of which he cites many but primarily Manetho. Josephus agrees with some of what Manetho says, but disagrees with other sections - which consititutes an analysis. Josephus is not simply quoting Manetho. So 'Professor' Josephus is a secondary source, every bit as much as Professor Finkelstein is. In addition, Josephus is 1,500 years removed from the events he is writing about, so how and why do you consider Josephus to be a 'primary source'? He is further removed from the events of the Exodus than any modern historian writing about the Medieval period, so why are you deleting my references to Josephus? Tatelyle (talk) 12:09, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable sources typically include: articles from magazines or newspapers (particularly scholarly journals), or books by recognized authors (basically, books by respected publishers). Online versions of these are usually accepted, provided they're held to the same standards. User generated sources (like Wikipedia) are to be avoided. Self-published sources should be avoided except for information by and about the subject that is not self-serving (for example, citing a company's website to establish something like year of establishment).
Articles are to be written from a neutral point of view. Wikipedia is not concerned with facts or opinions, it just summarizes reliable sources. This usually means that secular academia is given prominence over any individual sect's doctrines, though those doctrines may be discussed in an appropriate section that clearly labels those beliefs for what they are.
Always cite a source for any new information. When adding this information to articles, use <ref>reference tags like this</ref>, containing the name of the source, the author, page number, publisher or web address (if applicable).
Reliable sources typically include: articles from magazines or newspapers (particularly scholarly journals), or books by recognized authors (basically, books by respected publishers). Online versions of these are usually accepted, provided they're held to the same standards. User generated sources (like Wikipedia) are to be avoided. Self-published sources should be avoided except for information by and about the subject that is not self-serving (for example, citing a company's website to establish something like year of establishment).
Articles are to be written from a neutral point of view. Wikipedia is not concerned with facts or opinions, it just summarizes reliable sources. Real scholarship actually does not say what understanding of the world is "true," but only with what there is evidence for. In the case of science, this evidence must ultimately start with physical evidence. In the case of religion, this means only reporting what has been written and not taking any stance on doctrine.
Material must be proportionate to what is found in the source cited. If a source makes a small claim and presents two larger counter claims, the material it supports should present one claim and two counter claims instead of presenting the one claim as extremely large while excluding or downplaying the counter claims.
Also, not a policy or guideline, but something important to understand the above policies and guidelines: Wikipedia operates off of objective information, which is information that multiple persons can examine and agree upon. It does not include subjective information, which only an individual can know from an "inner" or personal experience. Most religious beliefs fall under subjective information. Wikipedia may document objective statements about notable subjective claims (i.e. "Christians believe Jesus is divine"), but it does not pretend that subjective statements are objective, and will expose false statements masquerading as subjective beliefs (cf. Indigo children).
And therefore Flavius Josephus is a reliable secondary source who is freely available and has widespread coverage, regarding the events of the Exodus. And my reporting was dispassionate and reported the facts. So why did you remove my addition of Josephus' chronology? Tatelyle (talk) 12:15, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Tatelyle: I'd encourage you to take a break from editing Wikipedia while reading through our policies. You seem to be running into problems fairly regularly with basic Wikipedia editing policies, such as WP:RS, WP:SYNTH, and WP:OR, and now your behavior seems like disruptive editing. Until you can learn to abide by these policies, your edits to Wikipedia may do more harm than good, even if they contain valuable information. Sondra.kinsey (talk) 19:45, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree here with what Sondra says, and would also recommend taking a serious look at WP:CONSENSUS. The way consensus works on Wikipedia, a single new editor should generally not impose their preferences on an article when all the other editors disagree with them. Continuing to make the same sorts of edits, alone, over the disagreements of every other editor, will often be considered disruptive, and generally will result in a block at some point. If you want to continue being allowed to edit on Wikipedia, probably your best bet is to leave the Wikipedia article alone if you're not having any success in bringing anyone around to your position. Wikipedia does not allow disruptive editing to continue indefinitely. Alephb (talk) 06:38, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Tatelyle. For your request for dispute resolution, you need to go to the talk page of each person involved and tell them about the request you've made. You'll find info on how to do this at the top of the dispute resolution page, in the section headed Do You Need Assistance. All best :) PiCo (talk) 09:55, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's not easy to edit with an iPad, but what do you méan by saying there's no "view"? You can preview with an iPad. I always use desktop mode for Wikipedia. Doug Wellertalk14:08, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]