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Hi there,

Is it possible to appeal the deletion of this image File:Holbein-tube.png? It's nigh impossible to recreate given the repainting of the skull area, and it's necessary to understand the compositional issues described on the page (a picture of the skull focused does not suffice, his argument is about the arrangement of the objects also). Jim Killock (talk) 07:54, 15 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, you can appeal the deletion. Step 1 is to contact the deleting admin which you are doing right now. You will need to convince me that the image cannot be replaced in any way. The position you laid out in disputing the speedy deletion did not convince me. Why can't a blow up be used? What is the difficulty in doing the calcuations. And why isn;t File:Demonstration of Holbein's skull image viewed through a tube.jpg sufficient? -- Whpq (talk) 12:14, 15 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi there, thank you.

Some of this is set out in the article. In particular, there is an alignment of the two globes and the skull image. To see this, you need to see the whole picture, not just the skull through a tube. There is also the comparison of the three heads (two figures plus skull) in the sketch composition and the three heads (two figures plus skull) in the Ambassadors.

Regarding recreation of the image: the skull image was repainted ("restored")in 1996-7, meaning that the appearance of the skull is different to when the image was originally taken. This may affect the nose, jaw line, left shadow and right side of the skull. The change of the appearance of the skull was noted and controversial, and is discussed in the article. One scholar notes that the application of a tube view should still work, but of course, it will look different and potentially less convincing than the 1960s version.

On calculations, I don't have the expertise to work it out, but I am trying by trial and error by purchasing various tubes and rods, plastic and glass.

A 1960s version of the picture could be found, but I have only found small reproductions, of around 7 inches. we don't know yet how well these will perform. However, the smaller the picture is, the smaller the focusing image in the glass, meaning the smaller the result on any photograph taken. I am guessing the skull image may need to be 3-5mm wide to compose correctly; in the version used, the skull would have been photographed at 25mm wide approximately. This might be adequate, but it is more likely in my opinion to be sub standard. Until we are able to try, we don't know.

Finding the right optic is proving non-trivial at full size also. The perspex tubes work, but are poor optically (blurred, fuzzy). The dimensions required at full size (2m by 2m) is a 25mm wide glass tube at 3mm width thickness. These are not readily available except to manufacturers. I am inquiring with manufacturers to see if I can get a single optic.

The policy is that images that "cannot" be reproduced are allowed, if they meet other general fair use criteria, in this case, educational use and criticism and review. At this point, it is certainly non-trivial, but we don't know whether we can or cannot. Given that our mission is to disseminate knowledge, it seems reasonable to err on the side of dissemination, until we know the image can be reproduced adequately. Jim Killock (talk) 12:43, 15 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@JimKillock and Marchjuly:I think there is enough here that there should be a discussion instead of just speedy deletion. As such, I've restored the image, and listed it at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2024 January 17#File:Holbein-tube.png. Please provide your comments there about whether the image should be kept or removed. -- Whpq (talk) 03:03, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks very much @Whpq Jim Killock (talk) 04:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey Whpq, I noticed you declined to delete User:VASTU ENGINEER/sandbox, and I wanted to clarify why I nominated it. Judging by the creator's username, the social media links at the bottom of the draft, the selfie used in the infobox, and the fact that they have made no other contributions, I think this is a clear case of unencyclopedic self-promotion in violation of WP:NOTPROMOTION. Maybe I could've been more clear in this case by using CSD G11 instead of CSD U5. Anyways, would you reconsider your decision? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi there,

Hello Whpq, thanks for your message and good morning to you from hereat Philippines; I took the photo for souvenir since this the Asia's biggest Dog show and Philippines may not have it again until 10 to 15 years in the future; I should have not put it in commons; also perhaps not in Wikipedia; the Poster is just temporary and has been removed after I took picture there since that was the last day of the 5 day, the Championship finals; I have no objection to the deletion;

I am not so familiar with Commons reply to discussions, and my mentor regarding how to reply, is absent hence, with all due respect, I chose to reply to your talk page instead in Commons talk page or in the it the nomination page Discussion page of Commons; Deletion requests File:The Philippine Circuit Show2.jpg this Poster respectfully submitted and very sincerely yours Valenzuela400 (talk) 04:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC).Reply[reply]

My Commons talk page would have been the better place for a replay, but here will do. If you have no objections to deleting the image, you can request its deletion directly by adding ((Db-author)) to the file description on Commons. That template basically says that you, as the author of the image, are requesting it be deleted. -- Whpq (talk) 04:32, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done, and thanks so much for the info on proper procedure, very sincerely Valenzuela400 (talk) 06:08, 24 January 2024 (UTC).Reply[reply]

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Thank you for help over at List of Little Bear episodes! Elvisisalive95 (talk) 15:59, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I love cheeseburgers! Thanks! -- Whpq (talk) 16:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You’re welcome, I’m glad you do! Enjoy! Om nom nom Elvisisalive95 (talk) 16:08, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]