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I see that you haven't done a lot of editing over the years, so a warm welcome seems appropriate at last. It's very gratifying to see you working on the Bangladesh upazila articles, which could use all the help they can get! I look forward to seeing you around. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It was done automatically by the software, rather than being a change that I intentionally applied. Looking over what happened, though, I believe the problem was that you were using the <ref name=german><!-- Gloss by itself --></ref> format in the article body. That doesn't work as intended, unfortunately — a gloss can't be split off from the reference content in that manner so that it's standing alone as the only content nested inside a particular invocation of the ref tags, but rather has to be directly next to the actual content of the reference it's glossing.

So in this particular case, if the gloss is necessary for one particular invocation of the reference but not applicable to others, it might be necessary to create a separate ref=german2 citation for the content that needs to be specifically glossed as "supports solo", citing the specific page number in the source that "supports solo" instead of the entire page range of ref=german, so that the gloss can be left in the references list alongside the content of that particular citation.

Hope that helps a bit. Bearcat (talk) 15:30, 6 August 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Worldbruce. First let me thank you for taking the time to read and comment on my SICPA article. I am very aware of the conflict of interest issues and extremely keen not to fall foul of the rules. I'd just like to ask two favours from you.

The first is just a bit of clarification. You say that links to organisations that SICPA has a relationship with are not so good but I thought that close connections with organisations like the World Bank and Interpol - given the industry that SICPA is in - would be relevant. The problem is finding independnet references that aren't directly from those organisation's websites. Is it still best to simply remove this?

Secondly, would you be happy to review my next draft? And, if so, what is the best process to go about this?

Again, many thanks for your help. IainIainplunkett (talk) 09:31, 15 July 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Iainplunkett: Wikipedia doesn't prohibit the use of non-independent sources like the press releases from the World Bank and Interpol, but the bulk of any article has to come from independent sources. To get the draft into article space it must clear the hurdles of notability and neutrality. Press releases don't help because they can't prove notability and don't present an unbiased view. In practice, they can hurt; one reference a reviewer doesn't like can sour their view and result in a declined submission. I would keep such sources only if they support unique information vital to an understanding of the range of the company's operations.

The best references are books or journal articles written by academics and published by academic presses, for example [1]. Next best are journalistic sources from reputable newspapers or magazines, such as [2]. The latter is not an in-depth source, but contains some choice nuggets, like "The ink for more than 80 percent of the world's currency, including the dollar, comes from Sicpa S.A."

Take your time improving the draft. When it's as good as you can make it, resubmit it using the blue button in the big pink box on the draft. Odds are another volunteer will review it. They may give you different feedback, which can be frustrating, but they may have different strengths than I do. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:59, 15 July 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. This link on VidAmerica is dead for some reason. Can you re-upload it please? 110.34.81.71 (talk) 17:32, 26 December 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I can't re-upload it, because I no longer have access to newspaperarchive.com. It may, as the error message says, be a temporary condition. If not, you could get an account with them so that you could clip the article yourself. Or you could do nothing. It's only a convenience link to a resource that is also available on paper. It doesn't matter if the link is dead, there's no requirement that the source be available online. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:43, 27 December 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So, can you re-upload it on Scribd.com pr something? 1.227.241.243 (talk) 21:51, 30 December 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No. As I said, I don't have access to newspaperarchive.com. Even if I did, uploading material copied from it would be a violation of copyright and of their terms of service. If you want access to newspaperarchive.com, get your own access. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:03, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, again. Thought I'd continue this on your page. After further research, I was able to find some maps showing the defined municipal limits of the north and south Dhaka city corporations:

Map 1

Map 2

These probably don't include the recent incorporation of more land and suburbs into the city corporations, but they at least show the thanas and upazilas. I guess my final question is how the Dhaka Statistical Metropolitan Area (seen in the second map) is defined? Are the building blocks for this upazilas/thanas or something else? If it's upazilas/thans, exactly which ones outside the city corporation are included in this statistical metropolitan area? It seems that the Greater Dhaka page includes this Dhaka Metropolitan Area and then many, many other upazilas/thanas and municipal corporations. I know see that the term "Dhaka City" actually refers to the "Dhaka Statistical Metropolitan Area" as opposed to the incorporated city, which is how we'd define "city" here in the United States. I'd like us to nail down the area and most recent census population numbers for: Dhaka City Corporation (north and south) and Dhaka Statistical Metropolitan Area, and then on the city's page to be clear throughout the article what we're talking about when we mention "Dhaka" or "city." I might even look into "Greater Dhaka," but that doesn't seem to be an officially defined area, and we'd have to figure out which upazilas (and which parts when the it's only part of them) are included. For that, we'd have to delve down into a level even below upazilas, which I guess are union parishads.

Thanks! --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:54, 28 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A noble quest, Criticalthinker. I have more than a gigabyte of 2011 census data from the Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. Give me a few days to poke through their reports and see what answers I can come up with. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:58, 1 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for this. I have one additional question that I thought you might have the answer to. In the city and municipal corporations, are wards a subdivision of the upazilas/thanas whithin those corporations, or of the city corporations, themselves? I guess what I'm wondering is if, as optional divisions, if wards cross upazila/thana borders in cities, or if they are fully contained within their upazilas/thanas? This is just a personal curiosity, not much relating to my interest in redoing the civic administration on Dhaka's page, as I imagine it'd be hard enough to find a total list of thana/upazilas in Dhaka, let alone exactly how many wards it has. --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wards follow city/municipal corporation boundaries, but don't always align with thana boundaries. I'm not aware of any that cross three thana borders, but plenty include portions of two thanas. In contrast, union parishads, the administrative unit below upazilas, are always wholly contained within their upazila. Dhaka's councillors are elected by ward, so when there are municipal elections someone knows exactly how many wards there are, what their boundaries are, what their populations are, who ran for election, and who won. They don't necessarily share the details though, or keep any information that is publicly accessible up to date. --Worldbruce (talk) 16:10, 2 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. This is what I figured and wanted to be sure of, and it's pretty similar to most other countries. Wards are an electoral division of cities/municipalities as opposed to being in the system of administrative divisions. Since I got that out of the way, this gives me another question: When cities or municipalities want to expand into surrounding areas and they don't annex entire upazilas/thanas, are they required to annex entire union parishads/municipalities/cities (administrative divisions) or can they simply annex specific wards (electoral divisons) of those union parishads/municipalities/cities. To put it more simply, do you know of any cities/municipalities which have jurisdiction over only parts of territory adjacent union parishads or other cities/municipalities? --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Criticalthinker: I've never before had occasion to dig into these questions in depth. What I found upends some of my assumptions. Read on. --Worldbruce (talk) 22:02, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2011 Census

The key source for Dhaka census data is: "Population & Housing Census 2011: National Report Volume-3: Urban Area Report" (PDF). Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. It gives the following historical background:

The Dhaka Municipality was established in 1864 ... The municipal committee was reconstituted as paurashava in 1972 ... In 1983 it was replaced as Dhaka Municipal Corporation and finally in 1991 it got the status of a city corporation.^[1]

When the report refers to the city (usually as Dhaka City, but also Dhaka Metropotitan [sic] City or Dhaka Metropolitan Area) it means an area larger than that covered by Dhaka City Corporation (DCC). A third entity, Dhaka Mega City, larger than Dhaka City, is mentioned briefly.

Dhaka City

The report describes the city as follows:

[The city] consists of 42 thanas including Dhaka City Corporation with 92 wards, 2 restricted areas, and 837 mahallas and its adjoining 17 unions as other urban area. The thanas are Adabar, Badda, Bangshal, Bimanbandar, Cantonment, Chakbazar, Darusalam, Demra, Dakshin Khan, Dhanmondi, Gendaria, Ghulshan, Hazaribagh, Jatrabari, Kadamtali, Kafrul, Kalabagan, Kamrangir Char, Khilgaon, Khilkhet, Kotwali, Lalbagh, Mirpur, Mohammadpur, Motijheel, Newmarket, Palton, Pallabi, Ramna, Rampura, Sabujbagh, Shah Ali, Shahbagh, Sher-e-Bangla Nagar, Shyampur, Sutrapur, Tejgaon, Tejgaon Industrial area, Tongi, Uttara, Uttar Khan and Wari.^[1]

Their phrasing is difficult to parse without studying their tables, and I hope you can come up with a clearer explanation. Breaking it down, Dhaka City consists of the 42 listed thanas. Another way to put it is that Dhaka City consists of DCC plus 2 restricted areas and 17 union parishads. Those 17 unions are parts of 12 of the thanas, specifically the portions of those thanas that extend outside DCC. (Four of those unions are split among thanas, something I didn't know could happen).

The city is divided into 92 wards, but one doesn't need to know that to understand the census area and population. The number of mahallas is also a red herring.

According to the 2011 Bangladesh census, Dhaka City had an area of 315.98 sq km, and a population of 8,906,039.^[2] According to the 2001 census, it had an area of 1371 sq km, and a population of 9,672,763.^[3] There is a discussion, that I will leave to you to read, of how the census bureau abandoned the concept of Statistical Metropolitan Areas (SMAs) after the 2001 census and how that makes comparisons between the censuses difficult.^[4]

DCC

According to the 2011 Bangladesh census, DCC had an area of 126.34 sq km, and a population of 6,970,105.^[2] The 2011 census excluded from DCC the two restricted areas, Biman Bandar and Cantonment, which previously had been included in the DCC line item. I believe this accounts for the decrease in the area of DCC from 153.84 sq km in 2001. The exclusion of the restricted areas also decreased population somewhat, but that was more than offset by population growth.

Dhaka Mega City

The report doesn't say much about Dhaka Mega City, but it is evident that they define it as Dhaka City plus five paruashavas (municipal corporations), and six upazilas. The paruashavas are: Gazipur, Tongi, Savar, Narayanganj, and Kadam Rasul. The upazilas are: Keraniganj, Bandar, Narayanganj Sadar, Gazipur Sadar, and Savar Upazila. According to the 2011 Bangladesh census, Dhaka Mega City had a population of 14,171,567.^[6]

Subsequent events

After the 2011 census, DCC was split into DNCC and DSCC.

In May 2016, DNCC was expanded from 82.63 sq km to 114.58 square kilometres (44.24 sq mi), and DSCC was expanded from 45 sq km to 64.17 square kilometres (24.78 sq mi).^[7][8]

Basic arithmetic is not original research, so we should be able to compute the population, as of 2011, of the area now within the bounds of DNCC and DSCC. This post is getting long, so I'll leave that for another day. --Worldbruce (talk) 22:02, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. This is a lot to take in but it answer basically all of my questions. To sum everything up:

- Like in most places I've studied, municipal and administrative divisions are two different layers. As an example, we've learned that city/municipal/union councils can exist in multiple thanas/upazilas. These municipalities are overlaid atop the administrative divisions.

- Apparently, when Dhaka's two city corporations annex land from surrounding municipalities, they annex entire council areas and not just parts of the council areas.

- Dhaka City Corporation (now split between DNCC and DSCC) is what we'd call a "city proper" and this is what the page should be centered around as it relates to the population and area listed in the infobox and throughout. So, at the most recent census (2011) we had a city proper with a population of 6,970,105 at 127.63 sq km in size. While we won't have an official population until the next census (though, there are certainly estimates), what we do know is that the city proper with the addition of 16 union councils has now added an additional 178.75 sq km to the existing 127.63 square miles for a total area of 306.38 sq km.

- Dhaka "City" is a statistical area/definition that adds in close-by suburbs. To better differentiate it from the city proper, I'd most likely almost always refer to it by it's official name to avoid confusion: Dhaka Statistical Metropolitan Area. What I'm far less clear of is the whole 42 thanas thing, so it'd need to be specified which of these thanas are totally within the two city corporations, which whole thanas exist outside of the two city corporations, and then finally which parts (union councils) of the remaining thanas are included. I'm not sure if the 42 number is just the thanas in the city corporations or if the 42 number is whole thanas and parts of others.

Anyway, thanks, again. If you ever need me for any advice if you ever try to clarify the page, always feel free to ask. --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Actually, the more I think about this the more I want a list so we know which complete thanas/upazilas and which parts of others (the unions) make up the two municipal corporations. I want to be able to clearly define this. Also, do you happen to know the translation of the texts on this map in the map's key? Because that might help with this. --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:10, 3 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry to bug you Worldbruce, but were you ever able to compile a list of all of the thanas completely under the jurisdiction of the two Dhaka city corporations, and then those union councils under the city coporations in the adjacent thanas/upazilas?

Hello? --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:22, 9 August 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Criticalthinker. Your question is not forgotten. I was on the road, and consequently not editing, for a couple months earlier this year, and have never caught up from that. As near as I recall, all the necessary information is in the above references, it's just a matter of digging it out. Anyone can do that, you don't have to wait for me. I don't think the map on the Dhaka District page contains enough detail to be useful for your purpose. The legend reads, from top to bottom: District borders, Thana, Union, Thana headquarters, and District headquarters. What it calls thanas have, since 1984, been called upazilas, it doesn't show any subdivisions within the city, and it doesn't show all the unions. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:12, 9 August 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I only ask you, because I have tried researching this myself. You've layed out many of the problems I find: the maps don't show the thana/upazilas, or the ones that do don't show the unions. It becomes even more difficult given that I don't speak or read the language. Curiously, there seems to be many maps showing the wards, but those aren't administrative divisions of the state. We've nailed down that the two municipal corporations includes both thanas in their entirety (though, we still don't have a comprehensive list of even these), but also that they include only parts of thanas (unions), too, but nailing down which of those unions belong to the two city corporations has proven very difficult. --Criticalthinker (talk) 06:44, 10 August 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! Alex Shih^Talk 21:54, 29 July 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Worldbruce,

Our system generated a list of potential new editors for your project. They may be interested in collaborating with your project members on your project's articles. As you will notice, the list contains both experienced editors and newcomers. Both are valuable for Wikipedia and your project. Please go ahead and introduce your project to them, and point them to some project tasks to start with. We also provide a template invitation message to make it easier to contact the potential new editors. Just click the invite link to write the invitation message.

We'd appreciate it if you could fill the survey to let us know what you think about our recommendations so we can improve our system.

Please let me know below if you have any general feedback about our recommendations. Thank you! Bobo.03 (talk) 05:19, 11 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Worldbruce, Just wonder if you had any chance to look at the recommendations I sent? Thank you! Bobo.03 (talk) 22:44, 12 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Worldbruce, I update the recommendation list sent to you earlier. I fixed some bugs in the previous version (as you might have seen that some editors on the previous list were not quite active). Very sorry about it, but now, everything should be good! Please take a look, and let me know what you think! Thank you! Bobo.03 (talk) 16:55, 19 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Worldbruce, please take a look at those recommendations if you have a chance, and let me know what do you think. Thank you! I would also help invite some new members, but they are not the ones on this list. Bobo.03 (talk) 20:16, 1 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Worldbruce,

I am continuing to send you recommendations for WikiProject Bangladesh. Please take a look when you get a chance. Thank you!

Bobo.03 (talk) 04:53, 10 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Worldbruce. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, Draft:National City Depot.

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:14, 7 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please update national Parliament of Bangladesh articles, election 2018

Election information source : http://www.ecs.gov.bd/bec/public/files/1/11th%20nation_result_1_100.xlsx

37.111.232.170 (talk) 18:00, 14 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello!

Wikipedia pages of armed forces of other countries have separate sections describing the military doctrine of those forces. But Bangladesh Armed Forces or Bangladesh Army's wikipedia page have no information about their military doctrine.

Military doctrine is an important part to understand a country’s military policy. So I would request you if you can, please create a section on military doctrine on Bangladesh Armed Forces' page. Or if you're busy, please request a Wikipedian who's an expert on military matters.

Thank you. Litton123 (talk) 05:22, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, it is regarding this addition. The Sierra-Leone thing crept up again. Have a look. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Fylindfotberserk: Any time that happens I just undo it with a link to the prior talk page discussions. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Have a look at these additions and changes. While unsourced, are these correct? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, please check your email. --Երևանցի ^talk 12:53, 12 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello! Thank you so much for sending me the two articles from ERIC on Mary Paxton Keeley, it really helped to develop the article. As requested, the article has been moved to mainspace so please give it a read if you're still interested. I found her to be a very interesting subject. Sammielh (talk) 13:04, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I saw your removals of promo content in Barishal Cadet College from Category:Articles lacking sources from January 2024 and I help added a few citations. Please do clean up promo content, what you are doing helps make Wikipedia a better place measurably. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 07:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Welcome! It's a great day to see another experienced WikiGnome joining the drive. I'm very glad that you joined the drive. I think you might be interested in BamBot's listing of Bangalesh articles to cite, but otherwise, wishing you good luck on February 1! You'll need it. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 14:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Hi, Could you clean up the bKash article especially the "Awards" section? It’s full of non notable list. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 22:16, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Apologies for my choice of words, I am reverting you now, by giving proper reasons. Timovinga (talk) 04:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Welcome, welcome, welcome Worldbruce! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.

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Good day Worldbruce Hope you are doing well. Recently saw your contribution in List of members of the 4th National Assembly of Pakistan page. I saw you added Constituency names. I wanted to request you to tell about the source from which you watched these constituency names and one more thing. Do you know about 1970 East Pakistan Provincial Assembly election results constituency wise. I want to add constituency wise results and also want to make 1970 election map of East Pakistan assembly election. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 22:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Saad Ali Khan Pakistan: The 1965 constituency names (Mymensingh-IX, etc.) are listed in the cited source, https://na.gov.pk/uploads/former-members/4th%20National%20Assembly.pdf. I don't possess a source for the constituency-wise results of the 1970 election to the East Pakistan Provincial Assembly. A Google Books search for "Faridpur—XVIII" turns up some possibilities. The results with a 1971-1972 date after the constituency name are about the abortive 1971-1972 by-elections for the provincial assembly that Pakistan intended to run to fill vacancies created by deaths and disqualifications. Skipping those, your best bets would be:

• S. G. M. Budruddin (1970). Election Handbook, 1970. Pub. & Marketing Associates. OCLC 1006194734.
• Rabindra Kumar Dasgupta (1971). Revolt in East Bengal. A. Dasgupta. OCLC 1129476998.
• Khāledā Hābiba (1991). Bāṃlādeśa nirbācana, Jātīẏa Saṃsada o Mantrisabhā, 1970-1991 (in Bengali). E. Āra. Muraśeda. OCLC 27146030.

The first looks like it would be especially useful for map making, while the others might contain results. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Worldbruce I live outside United Kingdom so I cannot get access to these books. Can you guide me how i can access this book? Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 17:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Saad Ali Khan Pakistan: WP:RX is a service that will scan sources and email them to you. They can't copy an entire book because of copyright restrictions, but they can copy a modest amount (10-20 pages). If you create a request there, be sure to clearly describe which pages you want. Most requests are eventually fulfilled, but it can take up to three months. --Worldbruce (talk) 18:23, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You're invited to attend a meetup at the San Diego Central Library on Monday 26 February 2024. Hopefully see you there. RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 11:46, 19 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]