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The result was merge‎ to Rhythmic Gymnastics Grand Prix. ✗plicit 23:41, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2005 Rhythmic Gymnastics Grand Prix circuit[edit]

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No significant coverage found in independent, reliable sources. Appears to fail WP:NEVENT. Could be redirected to Rhythmic Gymnastics Grand Prix. (t · c) buidhe 21:08, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is a somewhat niche sport, but this competition is widely regarded as one of the most important ones in this sport. As a side note, I am starting to believe you are on a journey to spread misinformation about this sport and delete other people's hard work because of your lack of familiarity with this topic. -- ThiagoSimoes (talk) 21:16, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All wikipedia articles have to follow the notability guidelines. (t · c) buidhe 21:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't understand your point. The notability of the Rhythmic Gymnastics Grand Prix has never been challenged before, so why are the results with documented sources challenged now? How are the sources in this article not good enough when this article provides even less sources for a similar event in a different sport and has not been proposed for deletion? -- ThiagoSimoes (talk) 21:49, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OSE. Where are the sources that show WP:NEVENT is met for this event? Find them and I'll immediately withdraw the AfD. (t · c) buidhe 22:04, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The point is not WP:NEVENT, but WP:NGYMNASTICS and WP:GNG. As per WP:NGYMNASTICS, the event meets the criteria. As per WP:GNG, the sources are independent from the subject, once they are not taken from an official website from the Grand Prix organization. -- ThiagoSimoes (talk) 00:13, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NGYMNASTICS does not cover notability of events. Simple database sources with start lists and/or scores do not count towards GNG. (t · c) buidhe 00:16, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NGYMNASTICS clearly states what an elite event is. WP:GNG states that scores are not enough to establish the notability of events, however the notability of the Rhythmic Gymnastics Grand Prix circuit has been established before. Proving the relevance of each event in a circuit with 100+ tournaments, especially for competitions which happened 20 or 30 years ago, is extremely difficult. Would creating a single list with all medalists in these 100+ tournaments, from 1994 to 2023, meet your criteria for notability, instead of lists for every year? Do you have any other suggestion to keep the results in a separate article so that the original article about the circuit does not become too big? -- ThiagoSimoes (talk) 07:25, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If the individual competitions and circuits are not notable, then the complete list of medalists and scores is information that is not suitable for Wikipedia (unless it's relevant to an individual's biographical article). This is meant as an encyclopedia, not a complete database of sports scores. There are other websites where this type of information is more suitable. (t · c) buidhe 08:11, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The notability of the circuit has never been challenged, similar events exist in different sports and lists of medalists exist as different articles. The point of the lists is to inform the medalists, not the scores. Besides, almost all of the medalists each year have their own articles on Wikipedia, and you can check some biographies to see that the medals earned in Grand Prix events are mentioned in different biographies. -- ThiagoSimoes (talk) 09:30, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and Sports. Shellwood (talk) 21:21, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Israel, Belarus, Bulgaria, France, Germany, Netherlands, Russia, and Ukraine. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:39, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Rhythmic Gymnastics Grand Prix as an WP:ATD. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:58, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Rhythmic Gymnastics Grand Prix as an WP:ATD. // Timothy :: talk 14:20, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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