The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to 2023 Cricket World Cup. Non controversial close. The page creator himself redirected the article and the only keep voter has also agreed to the reason for deletion. (non-admin closure)RoboCric (talk) 17:22, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Currently only source that can be shown is the date announcement of the last/final match (from Xth Oct to Yth Nov). Not enough in-depth coverage to show that it is notable. Even the full fixtures have not been confirmed yet (also the teams which qualify for WC or the final is not known), so the date of the final can be changed anytime. Any significant information has not yet been published regarding the final match, so no need for a seperate article. Probably should be a redirect or draftified, but that is no longer an option, since the redirect was contested. RoboCric (talk) 16:03, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, pointing out that one similar article was redirected has no bearing on this deletion discussion. The World Cup final article will stand or fall on its own merits. FrankAnchor 18:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Frank Anchor I pointed out that discussion, since there was the same rationale behind redirecting the IPL final. I didn't say that IPL final didn't exist, so it also shouldn't exist. RoboCric (talk) 05:31, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for showing me that you did not take time to read the linked policy. The basic gist of OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is that voting to keep or not keep an article because articles on similar topics were dealt the same fate is not a valid reason. FrankAnchor 12:36, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OSE is not a blanket ban on ever referencing other articles or deletion debatesSpike 'em (talk) 13:53, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Frank Anchor First please be sure about the page you are linking. It is itself not a policy, rather an essay on deletion policy. I linked that discussion because I thought that I had failed to make you understand why the article should be redirected. So, I linked that discussion, because there have been a detailed rationale by many voters. And pointing to other stuff is not always invalid. There have been same consensus for all articles on final matches or any event. Both IPL final and WC final has been created way TOOSOON, so same criteria applies for both of them. Unless any in-depth coverage or sufficient information is available, what is your logic behind keeping the article (not redirecting) with the same information which is already present in the main article? RoboCric (talk) 15:36, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I have been an editor on Wikipedia for the past 12 years and I have just created this article a few minutes ago. This article is about the final match of one of the most popular sports event in the world watched by billions worldwide, the 2023 Cricket World Cup and Cricket World Cup in general as well. Also, this article is not about the final match of a hypothetical future sports event which will take place 4-5 years from now, but a confirmed multi-national World cup which is scheduled to happen in just a few months. I highly suggest that this article be kept because it has the potential to improve further and become a lot better and that can only happen when other editors are given a chance to edit and improve on an already existing article. TheGeneralUser (talk) 17:53, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
one of the most popular sports event in the world indicates notability about Cricket World Cup, not the final match. Until details (in-depth) are found about the final or the confirmation of Finalists, article should not be created. Also see other similar discussions. RoboCric (talk) 16:25, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As explained above, the topic of this AFD needs to remain the 2023 World Cup final and only the 2023 World Cup final. FrankAnchor 18:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It has not been confirmed: the cricinfo article linked says it is likely to start on October 5 and end on November 19Spike 'em (talk) 15:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Spike 'emThank you for your comment. As per advice given by many other editors, I accept their useful advice and have come to the conclusion that for now, a redirect is the best thing to do so. Hence, this discussion can be closed by any closer as required. TheGeneralUser (talk) 15:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. WP:CRYSTAL allows an article if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. This event is notable as it is the world championship game of one of the most popular sports in the world, and by the presence of articles on prior Cricket World Cup finals. The event is almost certain to take place as the date (which is only a few months from now) and venue have already been announced and qualifiers for the tournament are already in progress. FrankAnchor 16:27, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to neutral per above comments by Spike 'em. A redirect is acceptable based on the date being not as "certain" as I previously thought. FrankAnchor 16:30, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Frank Anchor, When the teams for the main tournament itself isn't confirmed, then how can you predict the finalists? If smaller details like finalists and in-depth coverage is not found about the final, then I see no point of making a separate page for the final. All the given information (Format=ODI, Tournament= CWC) is already mentioned in the main article. Plus note that until the full fixtures are not confirmed, the final match date can be changed anytime. And the other articles of this kind were created only when sufficient information was available or the match date came closer. RoboCric (talk) 16:38, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a valid argument to not keep. The date of any event can change at any time right up to the start of the event. You may remember something called COVID-19 that pushed back the date of many sporting events, sometimes mere days or even hours before they were to take place. WP:CRYSTAL even takes this into account by explaining that [d]ates are not definite until the event actually takes place, as even otherwise-notable events can be cancelled or postponed at the last minute by a major incident. Also, one user see[ing] no point of making a separate page for the final does not mean there should not be an article about it. FrankAnchor 16:52, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@RoboCric: And you can please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Pointing out that one similar article was redirected has no bearing on this deletion discussion. The World Cup final article will stand or fall on its own merits. FrankAnchor 18:09, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to main tournament article. Not enough is known about this match yet to write a separate article on it. Spike 'em (talk) 06:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the spirit of WP:SPLIT and WP:MERGE, we don't yet need a separate article that just repeats a few lines from what is currently the main one. I have no doubt that this match will receive significant coverage in its own right at some point soon, but has not done so yet. Spike 'em (talk) 13:57, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to main tournament article. There is not enough known information to warrant a separate article at this time, the details we do know (the date and location) will be in the parent article anyway. This article provides no additional information or benefit to readers at this time. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:48, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect with the article in its current state I don't think we have any alternative but to redirect. If there was more of an article, perhaps I'd think differently. We can handle everything we need to handle in the competition article for now. Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:53, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2023 Cricket World Cup. I had previously explained to TheGeneralUser that a redirect was the best state for the article title at this time. As you can see at Draft:2023 Cricket World Cup Final (note case difference on "Final"), TheGeneralUser seems to have a strange preoccupation with being "the original author" of the article. Although not 'huge' edits, the draftification of the original redirect has already obscured several other editors' contributions. Not helpful behaviour. --Hadal (talk) 14:46, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Addendum: Per my note above, the closer should consider reversing TheGeneralUser's move at Draft:2023 Cricket World Cup Final and redirect this case difference as well, to restore previous edits. --Hadal (talk) 14:50, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, a hist merge is in order, this is pretty petty WP:OWN behaviour. Spike 'em (talk) 14:54, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Important Note - Thank you Hadal and Spike 'em for your comments. As I had mentioned before, I had only intended to create this article for the benefit of the readers and the encyclopedia, but I can completely understand the point of view given by you both and other editors. I never claimed ownership of any kind of article anywhere and my primary purpose has always been to improve the encyclopedia. Hence, I have redirected this article myself to 2023 Cricket World Cup and this discussion can be closed as required by any closer, so that everyone else can go ahead and spend time in doing the most important thing which is to improve other articles and Wikipedia in general as well. This article can be created when more information about the final is available in detail. Thank you. TheGeneralUser (talk) 15:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2023 Cricket World CupWP:TOOSOON. While the topic will likely be notable enough for a separate article in the future, there's no way near enough coverage as of now for the article to exist in mainspace. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:30, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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