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The result was delete. Shimeru (talk) 05:51, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Hogg[edit]

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Football player who does not satisfy WP:N or WP:ATHLETE guidelines because he has only played in the semi-professional league in Northern Ireland. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 08:50, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - player is competing for a club in a top-level league in Europe. Eldumpo (talk) 09:37, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails WP:ATHLETE as he has not played at a fully-professional level of football. A top level of a small nation is not sufficient to satisfy criteria. Also fails WP:GNG due to a lack of any significant media coverage. --Jimbo^[online] 10:58, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Although the IFA Premiership League is the highest level in Northern Ireland, the criterion is still going to be whether the team itself is "fully professional". The football/soccer project people have interpreted WP:ATHLETE under [Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability], as including players who "Have played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure. This must be supported by evidence from a reliable source on a club by club basis for teams playing in leagues that are not recognised as being fully professional." I don't know whether Crusaders FC is fully professional, or one of many semi-pro teams in a semi-pro league. Mandsford (talk) 17:28, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The only team in that league that carry any fully professional players are Linfield, who have about six or seven fully pro but the rest of the squad are semi-pro. four f/t players in 2006 - BBC All other players in the NI league are semi pro. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 18:03, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. I was under the impression that NI football is not fully professional, and it appears from the commenters above that that impression is correct. On that basis, he fails to meet WP:ATH. Lets not extend WP:ATH any further than its current absurd breadth by allowing in all "top-level leagues in Europe". Andorra, San Marino, anyone? --Mkativerata (talk) 20:27, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. He fails WP:ATH. --Carioca (talk) 19:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The notability guide for athletes is woeful! People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis, except for those that participated only in competitions that are themselves non-notable. It simply isn't very clear what it's on about. As there is no professional league in Northern Ireland (from what you say above) then he is effectively non-league and is at the highest level of football in Northern Ireland. If he goes then every single player who has played only in non-league football will have to go (unless they are noted for something else) which isn't viable. Cls14 (talk) 11:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - As stated above, he fails both WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. With regards to the comments by Cls14, the fact that there is no professional league in Northern Ireland, doesn't change the fact that he is competing in a league competition and isn't fully professional. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:57, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 00:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 00:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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