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The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 11:17, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Wyllie[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:NFOOTBALL or WP:GNG. agtx 15:38, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 17:57, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - ~~Fails WP:NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league.~~ Just passes NFOOTY as the ref noted below indicates he played 11 minutes in an fully professional league game one season then about twenty in one game two seasons later. However, the player is now absent from FPL competition, so GNG has to take priority here. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 16:16, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Subject passes the football-specific notability guideline because he has played in a league listed as fully professional, i.e. the Scottish second tier in 2011–12, as confirmed by the Soccerbase reference present in the article. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:43, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - @Struway2: thanks for pointing that out. However, looking more closely at Soccerbase, he seems to have played twice in FPL matches for a grand total of about half an hour as far as I can see. Given the article comments that he left Ayr to concentrate on his studies I think it is fair to say that he is gone from FPL competition for the time being at least and so GNG is the overriding factor here. I have adjusted my comments accordingly but still feel this is a non-notable individual. Fenix down (talk) 17:13, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NFOOTY has this: "Note: For the purposes of this guideline, played means having appeared in a match either in the starting line-up or coming on as a substitute." Kraxler (talk) 14:13, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the fact that he came on as a sub, it's the fat that in several years he has played less than an hour for in fully professional leagues. Normally players get a grace period when they make their debut's, but there is no consensus that scraping over the NFOOTY line and then fading away means you are notable, quite the opposite in fact. Given that this player has slipped down the divisions, I think he needs to show GNG explicitly, not just a technical NFOOTY pass. Fenix down (talk) 16:31, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kelechi Iheanacho you opposed because he failed NFOOTY (which was conceded even by the supporters) and you did not recognize the vast coverage to pass WP:GNG, virtually claiming that no amount of coverage can override NFOOTY. You cant't eat your cake and have it too. (Disclaimer: I'm not !voting here either way, but I find it strange that some users seem to change their opinions faster than their shirts.) Kraxler (talk) 02:08, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really sure how that's relevant. The reason I didn't change my vote is because I did not come back to the page once additional sources had been added to the article. In that instance, there is clear GNG from a number of sources and had I seen either the article or the comments at AfD before its close I would have changed my vote. In this instance, there is no indication of GNG, this is a player who has played less than an hour of football in a fully professional league and has drifted down to a lower tier to concentrate on non-footballing matters. Although NFOOTY is normally used as a benchmark, GNG is always the preeminent notability guideline. In this case, like many others where there is only a technical NFOOTY pass, it becomes the primary requirement and I just don't see GNG here. Fenix down (talk) 08:55, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation. Kraxler (talk) 11:52, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Swarm ♠ 01:31, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:GNG Huesofcolor (talk) 08:55, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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