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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agavi[edit]

Another PHP framework that seems to fail WP:GNG. I can't find any reliable, third-party sources that cover the topic in sufficient depth to support notability. VG ☎ 23:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. -- VG ☎ 23:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There don't appear to be any sources that aren't either blogs or Agavi's website, so it doesn't meet notability. Raven1977 (talk) 23:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep what about these sources? [1][2][3][4][5] Tohd8BohaithuGh1 (talk) 10:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: All the sources that T8BGH1 posted are unreliable or not independent of the subject. Schuym1 (talk) 01:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No references no mention establishing notability. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Agavi is heavily used outside of the English-speaking world (particularly in Germany), which is why it's somewhat difficult to find sources for it in English. [6], [7] (partially English), [8] for instance. The fact that it has lasting articles on de and fr Wikipedia is evidence of this. $nf->{'user'}; $nf->{'talk'}; 21:15, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The 1st link is a blog, albeit a fairly detailed entry; the 2nd is directory-type entry, the third is a talk given by David Zülke one of the developers of Agavi, at a monthly London PHP meeting. If it were a more selective conference (like not held monthly), it would have some weight towards establishing notability. VG ☎ 15:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm not sure how many conferences Agavi has been mentioned in; here's another talk by Mr. Zülke at the International PHP Conference this year: [9]. It's also mentioned in Rasmus Lerdorf's talk on frameworks [10] among several other notable PHP frameworks (Zend, etc.). The article definitely needs a lot of work, but I think notability can be established. $nf->{'user'}; $nf->{'talk'}; 05:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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