The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The consensus is that the subject of the article fails to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for sports persons as the guideline is currently written. Mz7 (talk) 02:10, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alec Ferrell[edit]

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Concern was that the article fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. PROD contested by the articles creator without providing a reason. – Michael (talk) 01:48, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator comment — It appears the user posted their reasoning for contesting the PROD on the articles talk page. Stating that Ferrell was first team All-American. Which he was, but sometimes WP:NCOLLATH is not clear with the notability guidelines. There was a discussion a few months ago about whether or not first team All-American's should be considered notable (see here). However, it doesn't look like consensus was reached. I don't know, this is a tough one to be honest with you people. – Michael (talk) 03:59, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Meets point 2 of WP:NCOLLATH – first team NCAA Division I All-American in ... soccer ... by an NCAA recognized selecting body. Agree that if rationale for removing PROD had been given in the edit summary, then we might not be here right now. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 08:11, 14 January 2017 (UTC) Changing !vote. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 23:52, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Might meet NCOLLATH but as the nominator states that is a debatable notability guideline, and in any case trumped by GNG. GiantSnowman 09:48, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @GiantSnowman: With all due respect, GNG trumps all SNGs, including NFOOTY. How many times have you and I both !voted to keep articles based on the subject barely meeting NFOOTY? Either an SNG allows for an article to exist (even temporarily to allow more time for a subject to meet GNG), or it does not. I won't argue the viability of an SNG here, but NCOLLATH exists, so that's why I !voted to keep. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 23:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC) @GiantSnowman: My mistake, I read the failed proposal above and believed it was the current NCOLLATH. As such, Ferrell does not meet NCOLLATH as presently written, so I will change my !vote accordingly. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 23:52, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - As stated prior, he does meet point 2 of WP:NCOLLATH and, with the lack of consensus on the topic of the viability, it's what I had to work off of when I was creating the article. When I contested the deletion, I forgot to include a comment regarding WP:NCOLLATH, but that was my initial intent. Cmrobinson (talk) 15:08, 14 January 2017 (UTC) — As it appears there's a consensus, I'll just recreate this in my sandbox and re-promote when he meets notability requirements.Cmrobinson (talk) 17:27, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Per nom. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:07, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - My original !vote was based upon having read the failed proposal to expand WP:NCOLLATH and believing it was the current SNG. Based upon the current SNGs, Ferrell fails NCOLLATH and NFOOTY, as well as GNG. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 23:52, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication of any collage award to satisfy NCOLLATH. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy either NHSPHSATH or wider GNG. Fenix down (talk) 09:34, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete does not meet the notability guidelines for soccer players.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:27, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - He has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:25, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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