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The result was Delete. Theer is no policy basis for the claim that "platying in the Pan-Am games" confers notability. Ans I agree with RoySmith that starting a brawl is very minor and at most worth a footnote in Baseball at the 1991 Pan American Games (and probably not even that). Randykitty (talk) 14:46, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Andreopoulos[edit]

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Consensus is that bullpen catchers must pass WP:GNG and, from what I could find, Andreopoulos doesn't. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 01:09, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 01:09, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 01:09, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Non-notable minor leaguer and MLB bullpen catcher. Fails the specific notability guideline for baseball players per WP:NBASEBALL (never played in MLB regular season game), and the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG for lack of significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:40, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep He played in the Pan-American Games, which satisfies WP:BASE/N. [1] Alex (talk) 06:10, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't see any specific mention of the Pan–American Games in WP:BASE/N. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Does it need to be specifically mentioned? From WP:BASE/N: "participated in a major international competition (such as, the World Baseball Classic, Baseball World Cup or Olympics) as a member of a national team". From the Pan-American Games' very own article: "The Pan-American or Pan American Games ... constitute a major event." I urge the closing editor to use common sense, considering his passing the guideline is more than apparent. Alex (talk) 06:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails both GNG and BASE/N. As far as I'm concerned, the only major baseball tournaments that should count under BASE/N are the Olympics and the World Baseball Classic (but not counting the qualifiers for either). - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 21:27, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Those above me have already said it better than I could, so I'll just leave this here. StewdioMACK (talk) 13:03, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Playing in the Pan-American games makes him notable.--Yankees10 03:43, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. There was actually a lot of coverage of him in that particular Pan American Games due to his starting a huge fight that sent people to the hospital and the game to being suspended. In addition, there is this profile of him that I found. Spanneraol (talk) 04:08, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above reasoning. Playing in the Pan-American games makes him notable. Trut-h-urts man (T • C) 04:48, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Note to closing editor There's no consensus that the Pan Am Games count as a "major international baseball tournament" for purposes of BASE/N, which is probably why the Pan Am Games aren't listed at BASE/N as an example of such. The Pan Am Games are usually played in mid-summer with low-level players from all of the participating countries except the U.S. (which traditionally sent a college all-star team) and Cuba. Further evidence of the low-level nature of the competition is that Cuba won gold at every Pan Am baseball event from 1967 to 2007, with the U.S. winning silver at six of those events. Common sense tells us that any baseball player who needs to rely on "played in the Pan Am Games" as an exemption from GNG isn't notable. Otherwise, the player's baseball career would have generated enough coverage to pass GNG. - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 06:03, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Playing at the Pan Am games has been used as keep rationale on several previous afds. Spanneraol (talk) 14:47, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of things are used, incorrectly, as a keep rationale in these baseball AfDs. This guy played in the Pan Am Games as a 19-yr-old 26th-round draft pick. Does that caliber of player really sound like a major international event? Not to me. - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 00:04, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep. The Pan-Am play alone would not suffice for me. However, his feature story on the article is what kept me from originally AfD'ing him, and that combined with the Pan-Am sources tell me that he slips by GNG. Wizardman 22:40, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One feature story is now enough to pass the "significant coverage" hurdle of GNG? - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 00:06, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Given the trend of how these baseball AfDs have been going lately, unfortunately that looks like the case. But there's more than the one feature story in this guy's case, as shown above. Or maybe I'm just getting soft from fighting non-notable stuff for years. Wizardman 00:34, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - per platying in the Pan-Am games and having significant coverage in multiple sources, thus meeting WP:GNG. Rlendog (talk) 22:24, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per IAR. I was in the process of closing this, but just couldn't bring myself to hit the Keep button. There's obviously consensus here that 1) playing in the Pan-American Games is enough to satisfy WP:GNG, and 2) even if it's not, the coverage he got in national, general-audience, media is sufficient to push him over the top. I'm not saying I agree with those things, just that it does appear to be the consensus here. But, feh, he's a nobody player who never got out of the minors and who's only claim to fame is that he said something unsportsmanlike and started a brawl. This is not what encyclopedias are for. I could see the incident being mentioned as a footnote to Baseball at the 1991 Pan American Games, but that's about it. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:38, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the delete, but you don't need to IAR to get there. Three or four people claiming the Pan Am Games confers automatic notability hardly constitutes a consensus (as noted above, BASE/N says no such thing), and the media coverage of this subject is almost entirely of the BLP1E nature. - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 23:02, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete -This argument could continue and wheel war itself to death. The bottom line is that you have a player who does not seem to meet the notability guidelines enough to make everyone agree. Therefore, I agree it needs to be deleted.Canyouhearmenow 12:58, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.