- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Petros471 14:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Another user prodded this, and made a link to the non-existent AfD page. Leaving a note on their user page so they can comment on why they want this to be deleted. --Nishkid64 21:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your assistance!
- Reason for Deletion: This page unfortunately appears to meet the Wikipedia standard of an "attack page" on Alpha Phi Alpha. The creator, NinjaNubian (also known as Mykungfu and Bobbydoop), created the page after being temporarily blocked several times under several IPs from editing and reverting on Alpha Phi Alpha. The page on its face is an attack against Alpha Phi Alpha, using as its basis mostly unreliable sourcing [1][2][3]. WikiPedia defines defines an "attack page" as:
- Attack pages. Articles that serve no purpose but to disparage their subject or some other entity (e.g., "John Q. Doe is an imbecile"). This includes a biography of a living person that is negative in tone and unsourced, where there is no NPOV version in the history to revert to.
The meat of this article choses to attack as follows, with what appears to be a sharply non-neutral POV:
First black fraternity[edit]
Sigma pi phi founded in 1904 makes the true claim of being the oldest black surviving fraternity [4]. There have been claims Alpha Phi Alpha is the first inter-collegiate black fraternity [5] though this has been in dispute. This claim is argued by the fact that it was founded in December of 1906 [6]. Three years after the founding of Alpha Kappa Nu. [7] This lost historical fact and controversy continues on to till this day. [8] Many websites will unwittingly refer to their organization as being the first inter-collegiate black fraternity. Sigma Pi Phi is the oldest documented surviving black fraternity. Proven by research that has not been disputed, Alpha Kappa Nu is the first black fraternity as well as the first black inter-collegiate fraternity shown by research.
205.188.116.68 17:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am placing an attack page template on this page, but I will refrain from blanking or editing it because I do not wish to enter a nonsensical revert and edit war with its author. Please advise, and no, I am not a sockpuppet. Robotam 18:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, any article that manage to use "false" or its variations four times in the same paragraph is obviously attacking the group. Add to that the fact that the only prominent piece of writing is said paragraph and you can't help but delete. This could probably be speedied. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete if the current article stays as is, it's not NPOV. If cleaned up (read:rewritten) it can stay. No speedy because it's was already speedied (and removed by User:NawlinWiki). ColourBurst 00:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per ColourBurst. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I agree the article is an attack by the User who created the article. Ccson 13:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- keep it. 64.131.205.160 07:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Looks like an attack/agenda page to me, especially given its complete lack of sources. | Mr. Darcy talk 14:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Don't delete There seems to be a lot of reserach which would prove validity. 205.188.116.68 16:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- No you haven't. This piece now argues a logical fallacy, that his POV both is and is not in dispute, that it has and has not been disputed, that it is fact/true and controversy. And it is still a hatchet job on another entry and organization (Alpha Phi Alpha), that the author created because he was asked by various admin to stop editing and reverting the article on Alpha Phi Alpha to his POV. Robotam 15:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- In addition author unilaterally deleted AfD from page using Anon IP. Robotam 16:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- no my friend, sorry. Mykungfu 20:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Robotam[edit]
Robotam along with other users is engaged in a request for comment against the creater of the article. As documented below at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/NinjaNubian.
No administrators have asked for individuals to stop editing on THIS article. Robotam is a sockpuppet account. Everything here is documented with references. Mykungfu 15:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
evidence[edit]
http://groups.msn.com/NPHCArchivePhotoSociety/yourwebpage2.msnw
this article details some of the controversy that still exists
http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=12053
http://www.usca.edu/nununupes/history.htm
www.stp.uh.edu/vol69/138/news/news3.html
Mykungfu 15:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
coordinated attack[edit]
robotam[edit]
Came around september 6. his second edit was sept 12th, his third was on the 13th it basically seems as if his whole existance was to sign this RFC. I believe him to be a sockpuppet
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robotam&limit=500&action=history
Mykungfu 09:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Robotam has made it a pesonal mission to destroy pages created by ninjanubian as can be documented by his actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sigma_Pi_Phi
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alpha_Kappa_Nu
he opens up dispute pages for the sake of wasting everyone times..
he is also reverting pages twice in the past 90 minutes
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Phi_Alpha&action=history
Again my friend, sorry, no. Robotam 19:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC)19:17, posted by robotam[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.