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The result was Keep, multiple releases per WP:MUSIC. Article tone and sourcing addressed during AFD. Non-admin closure per WP:DPR. Serpent's Choice 04:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Altar Boys (2nd nomination)[edit]

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Non-notable music group, unsourced claims such as "The Altar Boys helped pioneer Christian rock music" Candy-Panda 06:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom, no assertion of notability. — coelacan talk — 06:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - "The Altar Boys helped pioneer Christian rock music" is a clear assertion of notability mikm_t 13:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Quite a few Ghits and an entire allmusic page devoted to them, as well as album reviews. Maybe nothing recent about thme notable because they broke up in the 80s? Rockstar915 06:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Claiming that a group "helped pioneer Christian rock music" is an attempt to assert notability. However, "John Doe saved the world four times" is as well - such a claim needs to be substantiated. The article doesn't give any reason to believe the claim, and the Allmusic page doesn't help either. (Google hits are completely meaningless, especially as the phrase "altar boys" appears in all sorts of unrelated contexts.) Zetawoof^(ζ) 07:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the discography - notable per WP:MUSIC; what was I thinking? The claim of having "helped pioneer Christian rock music" still needs support, though. Zetawoof^(ζ) 02:40, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, non-notable band. Allmusic.com and Google does not mean everything. Terence Ong 10:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, as five releases on Alarma/Frontline clearly meets criteria #5. See also first AFD. Dan, the CowMan 01:28, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here is some support for the claim, found by Google Book Search, in the book Apostles of Rock: The Splintered World of Contemporary Christian Music, page 53. My local library has this book, And I will be checking it and other references tomorrow. Dan, the CowMan 05:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • The book has a picture of the group, and indicates that they are an example of how CCM began "to shed its obvious visual signatures". The book is very broad, however, and does not go into individual bands much. Dan, the CowMan 03:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Re: "helped pioneer Christian rock music." Maybe there should be a tag put on the article for music experts (esp. Christian music experts) to verify this claim. Rockstar915 03:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • As it currently reads, the second paragraph is supported by Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music, as cited in the article. Dan, the CowMan 03:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.