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The result was keep. Although WP:CRYSTAL is likely quite valid, there appears to be no consensus to delete (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 15:30, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

American Idol (season 12)[edit]

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Per WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON, this article on a TV series seven months from broadcast is unjustified. All that appears to be known is that the series will take place, a couple of people will be involved and there will be auditions. Page history reveals numerous attempts to redirect page to American Idol have been overturned without much reasoning (WP:OWN?), hence this AFD to ascertain consensus. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 12:10, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 12:12, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 12:12, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per above Tate Brandley Stockwell 15:08, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment i originally created that as a redirect Tate Brandley Stockwell 15:08, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to American Idol and recreate article when broadcast draws nearer. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 15:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. CRYSTAL doesn't apply, as (barring those sneaky Mayans) this show will go on (and on and on). There's just barely enough info to justify its existence. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:14, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It will be broadcast, broadcasting schedule has already been announced for next season [1]. There are numerous reports how Fox intend to keep the show running and what they plan to do next seasons - [2][3][4]. The whole process (the audition) starts next week, so it is not WP:TOOSOON - nearly every season over 100,000 auditioned, this is therefore of great interest to many people. It satisfies #1 of WP:CRYSTAL, it is well-documented that the show will take place, and it is still the biggest non-sport show on TV. Hzh (talk) 09:16, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A broadcasting schedule for next year is not a valid reason for an article to exist. There are numerous incidences of speculation and gossip, which is not appropriate for Wikipedia (see WP:SPECULATION and WP:GOSSIP. And WP:CRYSTAL 1 states future events are not suited for inclusion "if nothing can be said about them that is verifiable and not original research.". And there clearly aint, because this article is just a couple of lines of fluff and a table displaying audition dates. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 12:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- You do realise that WP:SPECULATION and WP:GOSSIP refer to OTHER people speculating and gossiping about an event? This is Fox exec's stated intent about their own show, not gossip or speculation. It is a direct quotation, verifiable as news report and certainly cannot be consider original research. Hzh (talk) 10:00, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and move existing info to the section for season 12 on the American Idol page, which is currently almost empty. Guyinasuit5517 (talk) 02:59, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Absolutely should not move anything into the American Idol page. That page is already too big, and season-specific information such as the audition dates and locations would be deleted from that page. Hzh (talk) 10:05, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The only viable cited info on this series is that it exists and will undergo some creative tweaking. That's a brief sentence which is not even worth mentioning on the main article. The stuff about there being auditions in certain cities is irrelevant crap that's of no use to man or beast. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 12:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is about a page for the season, not the main American Idol page. I'm simply pointing out that those bits of information can't stay in the American Idol page and are only suitable for individual season's page, and should not be considered an acceptable option. It should not be brought into this discussion. Hzh (talk) 10:00, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The American Idol season 12 auditions have already been announced during season 11 and on the official American Idol website. We need to look out for new information about season 12 in the months to come. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando (talk) 23:31, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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