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The result was delete. czar 20:53, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Amy B. Lyman bibliography[edit]

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Qualifies for deletion per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. This article consists of a lengthy listing of non-notable magazine articles the subject authored. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:16, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:17, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:18, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete. This isn't a bibliography, it's a collection of external links pointing to one single magazine. Not a single piece of work from this author is notable. Ajf773 (talk) 08:29, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete rarely is it worth creating a seperate listing of a subjects works. However in this case, all that is needed is a mention that Amy Brown Lyman wrote many articles published in the Relief Society Magazine. Generally we restrict bibliographies to books and significant scholarly articles, neither of which any of these are, and almost never seperate them from the biography of the person.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:33, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete "Amy B. who?" Biblographies are only appropriate for the sort of extremely well-known writers whose well-sourced pages are lengthy, who are the authors of many impactful works, and whose every work is significant.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:14, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, one of my student workers created this page. There are not clear guidelines about bibliography pages. In the Bibliography guideline, it states "Lists of published works should be included for authors, illustrators, photographers and other artists." It does not mention restricting those lists to books or scholarly articles. It also does not state that lists of published works should be restricted to "extremely well-known writers." The recommended structure on WikiProject Bibliographies encourages including URLs for works. As far as I can tell, there are no requirements that the works themselves be notable if the author passes notability criteria. That said, I can agree that the list is overly long. Would it resolve the issue to delete this page, but list some 10-15 of her articles on her main page? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:33, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Rachel Helps (BYU). Notable articles can be listed on a writers page, but only when notability of those articles has been established, most commonly this is the case where a scholarly article has had a significant impact on a field of study, or where an article has been widely discussed in WP:SECONDARY, WP:RS publications. Exceedingly few articles meet these criteria. User:Johnpacklambert's comment above, "all that is needed is a mention that Amy Brown Lyman wrote many articles published in the Relief Society Magazine." is exactly on target.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:39, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- E.M.Gregory, is there a Wikipedia policy or guideline that states that only notable articles should be mentioned on a person's Wikipedia page? I've written many author pages where including a list of their works is standard (even if those works were not discussed in secondary sources). Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:35, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is common to list all books published by reputable presses. And notable papers/articles are listed. But it is poor practice to list every article someone wrote, or to list articles at all unless there is sourcing to show that each listed article is significant. E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:39, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm willing to agree with you, but is there an actual Wikipedia policy or guideline to this effect? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 18:57, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There's Wikipedia:WikiProject Bibliographies#Notability of bibliography articles czar 20:53, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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