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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:36, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Pawiak[edit]

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Article about footballer who hasn't played in a fully-pro league. All of the online coverage appears to be routine (database entries, match reports or transfer announcements) except for a couple of brief mentions in the Newcastle Herald (i.e., local coverage) noting that he was an unused substitute for the local club twice in the A-League. PROD was removed without explanation. Jogurney (talk) 20:23, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep @GiantSnowman: - the Philippines Football League is in the list of fully pro leagues. even though the article states he made zero appearances there, he actually made at least one (see 1 and 2). Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 16:57, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you. I stand corrected that Pawiak made 1 appearance in the fully-pro Philippines top division. That said, the only coverage I was able to find was that he "rattled the crossbar" with a shot during his club's scoreless draw with Davao. The article doesn't satisfy the GNG in my view, so it fails the spirit NFOOTBALL (see e.g., Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phakamani Mngadi). Jogurney (talk) 18:34, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Jogurney:, If all articles that met WP:NFOOTBALL had to meet WP:GNG, a lot would have to be deleted since they have few sources; for example, the Russian Professional Football League players who all have a page (e.g. Aleksandr Maslov). Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:42, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • All articles on footballers should be able to satisfy the GNG as NFOOTBALL is merely a presumption of notability. We generally expect sources to exist unless someone rebuts the presumption. Pawiak is a footballer working in places like Australia and the Philippines during the internet era so it ought to be pretty easily to find significant coverage, yet we really can't. Jogurney (talk) 13:36, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete no fully pro play.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:32, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 09:10, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. No wide coverage. Sorely fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 18:18, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep passes WP:NFOOTY and player is only 23 years and currently playing and there is some local coverage about him [1] [2] [3].Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:09, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – 1 FPL appearance isn't a reason to keep. The links above all come from the same source (Newcastle Herald), so they're not independent of each other; they count as one GNG source for me and we need multiple. If the player were playing in an FPL, I would normally !vote draftify, but in this case, after the one FPL appearance two years ago, the player has been playing semi-professional ball, so there is no reason to think they will become notable in the next six months. Without two GNG sources or reason to think a second one will be written in the next six months, my !vote is delete. – Levivich 19:50, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:GNG, and I'm not convinced Philippines have a fully professional league either - it's kind of in turmoil, is it not? SportingFlyer T·C 01:20, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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