- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to List of Dragon Ball characters. There is consensus to merge, and this is the strongly-preferenced destination. Daniel (talk) 21:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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This one I've been wrestling with for awhile, because I'd *like* there to be more here, but ultimately there's no indication of any importance outside of this one game. Most of the quotes are small and minor, a lot of it focusing on her Majin Buu "turn people into treats" gimmick. Reference 6 in particular feels slightly misrepresented, while reference 7 seems to be its strongest one.
WP:BEFORE isn't helping here either, especially going through google news and excluding the usual valnet: there's no discussion or analysis. Scholar also had nothing. Trying a web crawl through sources excluded from Google News like Paste magazine also turned up nothing, and many of the articles are initial reactions to the trailers/game. Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to List of Dragon Ball characters As she has appeared in multiple Dragon Ball video games, that should meet the criteria for "Other recurring characters". Adding her with a condensed version of the current "Concept and design" section could work well. QuietCicada - Talk 14:31, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to List of Dragon Ball characters. The reception as usual has some value, but it is cobbled from passing mentions or niche churnalism. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:48, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Leaning keep on this, based on these sources that are included in the article:
- There is in-depth coverage of the subject's impact on a videogame and its competitive play scene here: [1], the majority of the article is dedicated to it.
- There's in-depth coverage of the character's place in Dragon Ball canon here: [2], again the majority of the article is dedicated to the discussion. There's also a related piece from the same author [3]
- —siroχo 05:32, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Siroxo: main problem with the first one though is it's entirely focused on that one game and one version of the character, which they later nerfed. I'm always wary about game stuff because unless it's tied to reactions outside of the game (i.e. Symmetra, Rugal Bernstein) it's ultimately forgotten when the game EOS's eventually.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, I get ya. That's why I am "leaning" rather than firm. I think if it were ~10 years on in this exact state, I'd probably agree with the merge. But, I can imagine this one getting more coverage over that timeframe, and the way I like to write/improve articles, I prefer to start with an article like this. (I realize merging preserves history, so it's not the end of the article in that case, I'm not going to die on this hill if the consensus goes that way) —siroχo 05:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Siroxo: The first source is not really about the character, just about her implementation in one particular game, that was criticized by players as being "too strong" for a while. This is trivial coverage. The second source(s) are better. But IMHO the second (third) of those two reuses parts of the first one, so it's hard to treat them as two spearate sources. I'd say we have one borderline good source which I think should be added to the article and preserved through merge if it happens. Is there anything else? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:38, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per the sources in the reception and the coverage showing clear notability. An ATD to deletion would be draftifying and/or merging to the List of Dragon Ball characters. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 07:28, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to List of Dragon Ball characters. I am rather unconvinced she passes WP:GNG based on the provided sources so far. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:52, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into Red Ribbon Army (not the List of characters). Sources are needed for every entry in every Wikipedia article, so the sources in the current article are not enough argument to keep the article. The character itself is not notable enough in the outside world, with impact in popular culture and deep coverage by reliable secondary sources aside from some reviews by video game websites. We can trim the cruft and keep well-sourced information into an Android 21 section in the RRA article. --LoЯd ۞pεth 20:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Red Ribbon Army seems largely based on content farm sites to prove notability. That should also be merged into the character list. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:39, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Until/Unless the Red Ribbon Army article is merged into the List, it is the most accurate destination for this potential merger. --LoЯd ۞pεth 18:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per all. Insufficient sources to pass WP:SIGCOV. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, she was just added to Dokkan and seems to be making yearly appearances in Dragon Ball media ever since debut. Jotamide (talk) 18:41, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Jotamide: That's not really the argument. A lot of characters appear in various media but actual discussion is another matter. If that manifests later I'd be fine with saying spin it out but for the time being it's not there to satisfy notability.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as we have a division between those arguing Merge and those advocating Keep plus more than one Merge target suggested.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:25, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.