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The result was no consensus. Nakon 05:03, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Anwar Hared[edit]

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Subject doesn't appear to meet the notability threshold. He apparently played on a newly-formed sports team for one tournament in 2014, but there seems to be no significant coverage on him before or since then. There are a mere 528 total hits on the name, many of which are either mirrors, forums or pertain to other people. Only two of the hits seem to be relevant and in English, but both are again on that one 2014 competition. Thus, clearly fails WP:BIO1E. Middayexpress (talk) 16:02, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Let us wait until next week for the 2015 championship (Somalia will be playing) and see whether he is still on the team.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:39, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is he likely to receive non-trivial coverage in reliable sources? Resolute 19:46, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment - Leaning delete, but worth noting that the IOC doesn't do demonstration events anymore, so the claim that essentially tried to mark him as an Olympian is not accurate. Resolute 19:46, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Now keep, I searched Russian sources and found pretty of coverage, some of which I added to the article. This is secific coverage for Hared, not just for the team.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:33, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The third one certainly qualifies, thanks. I think I am more in agreement with your above comment to wait and see if more comes out of this year's tournament, at the very least. Resolute 20:57, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Of ~530 total hits on the subject, there indeed only appear to be three English language links with significant coverage. The rest are either mirrors, forum pages, brief mentions, links pertaining to other people with the same name, or are in a foreign language. The fact that only a few Russian language links mention him, typically in passing and almost all in relation to that one 2014 tournament in Russia, further confirms that the subject fails WP:BIO1E. There is a Russian link on another tournament in Russia that is slated to be held in 2015, but this too is just an ordinary roster announcement. Regarding whether or not he may eventually receive significant enough coverage in that or other future tournaments to warrant a standalone bio, please also see WP:CRYSTALBALL. Notability applies to the present, not the future. Middayexpress (talk) 15:23, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  This is unfortunate that you do not see an obvious fact that he has already got sufficient coverage. Certainly WP:CRYSTAL does not apply, and if he gets coverage next week WP:ONEVENT does not apply either. It is not really surprising that his coverage in Russian is better that in English, since bandy is way more popular in Russia than in the US or Canada, and the world championships of 14, 15 and 16 are all held in Russia.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:34, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Significant coverage does not simply mean that a subject is mentioned many times in random links. Per WP:BASIC, it pertains to non-trivial coverage in multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Even if it did mean that, there are only ~530 total hits on the name, many of which aren't even on the subject. The Russian links are virtually all trivial coverage and related to that one 2014 tournament in Russia (which is not the only bandy playing nation). The subject thus certainly does fail WP:BIO1E. WP:CRYSTAL also obviously does apply because there's no way of knowing if he will eventually receive enough significant coverage after the other 2015 tournament in Russia to warrant a standalone bio; and that's assuming he even follows through and takes part in that event (viz. "avoid predicted sports team line-ups, which are inherently unverifiable and speculative"). Middayexpress (talk) 17:09, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are obviously incorrect. The links which I added to the article are not random links but two newspaper articles (one of which is a central newspaper), and the third one is the website of the World Championship. They are reliable, independent of each other, coverage is non-trivial, and there is more coverage available. None of them is simply a lineup. Counting hits is not really productive. If you want to search in Finnish, Swedish, Norwegian Bokmal or Kazakh, which represents the main bandy playing nations, you are obviously welcome.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:11, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And of those references, only one of them actually talks about the player at all as opposed to a small mention. There is nothing here beyond routine coverage, or the BLP1E where they are talking about him just because he scored the first goal as a Somalian. -DJSasso (talk) 19:17, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete At this point they clearly fail WP:GNG. And it would be an violation of WP:CRYSTALBALL to keep him around in the hopes he might meet it following 2015s tournament. Page can easily be recreated if he does manage to meet notability. But at this point I am thinking its a WP:BLP1E for what little trivial coverage there is. -DJSasso (talk) 16:28, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I added one more ref, from yesterday, which is an article in a central newspaper. This is now clearly not BLP1E article since his participation in TWO championships is covered by reliable source. Note that for bandy, the world championship is the highest level of competition.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:42, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• And that article doesn't talk about the subject at all. All it has is a quote from him saying they were disappointed with the result of the game. That is the very definition of routine coverage. -DJSasso (talk) 19:12, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I've read about him in Finnish media, didn't find the article online but I added another one as a source. The guy scored the first ever goal by an African team in bandy! 188.67.39.246 (talk) 21:29, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• And that article just mentions he scored as well. Also a WP:ROUTINE bit of coverage. -DJSasso (talk) 03:06, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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